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Feb 27, 2021 12:19:21 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 27, 2021 12:19:21 GMT -8
Threw live BP today against two MVP candidates and Tommy Pham. 4 strikeouts in 7 plate appearances.
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Mar 4, 2021 9:32:40 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 9:32:40 GMT -8
I saw on twitter that Gore is throwing today. Wish I could watch, but I look forward to reading about it.
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Mar 4, 2021 15:18:07 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 15:18:07 GMT -8
Well, uh...not his best day. Didn't finish the first inning, he walked three and K'd 1. Threw 24 pitches in that inning, per Acee. ----Acee reported a 1, 2, 3 2nd inning.
Acee reported velocity was good, got five swings and misses in the first.
Clearly not out of the woods on last springs oft whispered mechanical issues, I guess. Nothing to be too concerned with, it's early.
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Mar 4, 2021 15:19:33 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 15:19:33 GMT -8
Side notes from Acee today:
*Jose Castillo will have TJ surgery. (That sucks)
*Javy Guerra will miss the beginning of the season, grade 1 UCL sprain. 2-4 weeks injury.
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Mar 4, 2021 15:54:52 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 4, 2021 15:54:52 GMT -8
Well, uh...not his best day. Didn't finish the first inning, he walked three and K'd 1. Threw 24 pitches in that inning, per Acee. ----Acee reported a 1, 2, 3 2nd inning. Acee reported velocity was good, got five swings and misses in the first. Clearly not out of the woods on last springs oft whispered mechanical issues, I guess. Nothing to be too concerned with, it's early. youtu.be/l8hg5g__FX4
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Mar 9, 2021 11:58:18 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 11:58:18 GMT -8
It will be fascinating to see if Mackenzie Gore is the next Tom Glavine (or even Cliff Lee)... OR The next Drew Pomeranz/Andrew Miller. Former uber hyped first rounders who ended up as relievers due to some mechanical and other issues. Scouts used to salivate over Miller coming up in that DET and FL system. I recall when people were appalled when the Indians traded Pomeranz in the Ubaldo Jimenez deal. I want to believe!!!
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Post by aardvark on Mar 10, 2021 13:55:49 GMT -8
Today--Gore gets out of the 1st, but can't get through the 2nd inning.
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Mar 10, 2021 14:53:45 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 10, 2021 14:53:45 GMT -8
Today--Gore gets out of the 1st, but can't get through the 2nd inning. Thought he was a little unlucky, but got a lot of swing and miss. Fastball placement still coming around. He'll havs some command hiccups I'm sure early on with how little he has actually thrown over the past season plus. Velocity was really good, hit 96 several times and got multiple bad swings on offspeed stuff. Encouraging.
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Post by aardvark on Mar 10, 2021 15:10:41 GMT -8
Today--Gore gets out of the 1st, but can't get through the 2nd inning. Thought he was a little unlucky, but got a lot of swing and miss. Fastball placement still coming around. He'll havs some command hiccups I'm sure early on with how little he has actually thrown over the past season plus. Velocity was really good, hit 96 several times and got multiple bad swings on offspeed stuff. Encouraging. His offspeed stuff did look good. But he was abusing the worms in front of the plate in the 2nd inning. I don't think Gore breaks camp with the Padres. Get him to the minors ASAP. He needs work.
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Mar 10, 2021 15:45:18 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 10, 2021 15:45:18 GMT -8
Thought he was a little unlucky, but got a lot of swing and miss. Fastball placement still coming around. He'll havs some command hiccups I'm sure early on with how little he has actually thrown over the past season plus. Velocity was really good, hit 96 several times and got multiple bad swings on offspeed stuff. Encouraging. His offspeed stuff did look good. But he was abusing the worms in front of the plate in the 2nd inning. I don't think Gore breaks camp with the Padres. Get him to the minors ASAP. He needs work. 50/50 right now I'd say, depending on what happens with Lamet. Either way I don't think he's down long at all. Slider and changeup both looked really good.
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 10, 2021 16:25:03 GMT -8
He was effectively wild the first inning. The second inning, his location was off and he got hit. Tingler called “last hitter” and got Gore out of there with 2 outs before the Rockies could put up a crooked number on him.
No questioning his stuff, he just needs to run it in the minors for a couple of months and get his command under control.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:05:00 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 10, 2021 22:05:00 GMT -8
He was effectively wild the first inning. The second inning, his location was off and he got hit. Tingler called “last hitter” and got Gore out of there with 2 outs before the Rockies could put up a crooked number on him. No questioning his stuff, he just needs to run it in the minors for a couple of months and get his command under control. Yep. Talent, but needs to be consistent.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:07:17 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 10, 2021 22:07:17 GMT -8
Thought he was a little unlucky, but got a lot of swing and miss. Fastball placement still coming around. He'll havs some command hiccups I'm sure early on with how little he has actually thrown over the past season plus. Velocity was really good, hit 96 several times and got multiple bad swings on offspeed stuff. Encouraging. His offspeed stuff did look good. But he was abusing the worms in front of the plate in the 2nd inning. I don't think Gore breaks camp with the Padres. Get him to the minors ASAP. He needs work. Loved the "abusing the worms" analogy. Did you make that up? Nice!!!
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Mar 10, 2021 22:10:20 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 10, 2021 22:10:20 GMT -8
Today--Gore gets out of the 1st, but can't get through the 2nd inning. Thought he was a little unlucky, but got a lot of swing and miss. Fastball placement still coming around. He'll havs some command hiccups I'm sure early on with how little he has actually thrown over the past season plus. Velocity was really good, hit 96 several times and got multiple bad swings on offspeed stuff. Encouraging. You're the "glass is half full" analogy with him. I'm optimistic for the future with him, but let's get some consistency first out of him.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:48:53 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 10, 2021 22:48:53 GMT -8
Thought he was a little unlucky, but got a lot of swing and miss. Fastball placement still coming around. He'll havs some command hiccups I'm sure early on with how little he has actually thrown over the past season plus. Velocity was really good, hit 96 several times and got multiple bad swings on offspeed stuff. Encouraging. You're the "glass is half full" analogy with him. I'm optimistic for the future with him, but let's get some consistency first out of him. No, I'm the guy that has followed his career since the day he was drafted and knows more about him probably (shamefully) than 99% of people who comment on one inning of observation, rather than his entire professional career. Choosing to be objective is good here. He's 22, hasn't thrown a competitive minor league game since August of 2019 in AA and is still adjusting to new mechanics that have been implemented by the team. Last season, virtually every hot pitching prospect (Howard, Pearson, Patiño, etc) universally struggled to adjust in an abbreviated season against big league hitters. Asking for consistency from a 22 year old who has pitched twice in spring training and has thrown 21 innings above A ball is fine. I'm looking at a far bigger picture. There's zero doubt he can get big league outs right now, today. I'd prefer if he spent a month in AA to start this season, but with Lamet likely on the shelf and 24 games in 25 days to start the season, that may not be a luxury the team can afford. Sidenote : He's the best pitching prospect in baseball for a reason. Overreacting negatively to glorified scrimmages doesn't change that. What you want to see is a progression from outing to outing. He was clearly better today than his first time out. I choose to look at the 8 swinging strikes today on 3 different pitches against hitters like Charlie Blackmon and Trevor Story, while knowing he has to get his fastball in the zone more consistently. He'll be absolutely fine and one of the best pitchers in baseball in the next couple of years.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:17:50 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 10, 2021 23:17:50 GMT -8
You're the "glass is half full" analogy with him. I'm optimistic for the future with him, but let's get some consistency first out of him. No, I'm the guy that has followed his career since the day he was drafted and knows more about him probably (shamefully) than 99% of people who comment on one inning of observation, rather than his entire professional career. Choosing to be objective is good here. He's 22, hasn't thrown a competitive minor league game since August of 2019 in AA and is still adjusting to new mechanics that have been implemented by the team. Last season, virtually every hot pitching prospect (Howard, Pearson, Patiño, etc) universally struggled to adjust in an abbreviated season against big league hitters. Asking for consistency from a 22 year old who has pitched twice in spring training and has thrown 21 innings above A ball is fine. I'm looking at a far bigger picture. There's zero doubt he can get big league outs right now, today. I'd prefer if he spent a month in AA to start this season, but with Lamet likely on the shelf and 24 games in 25 days to start the season, that may not be a luxury the team can afford. Sidenote : He's the best pitching prospect in baseball for a reason. Overreacting negatively to glorified scrimmages doesn't change that. What you want to see is a progression from outing to outing. He was clearly better today than his first time out. I choose to look at the 8 swinging strikes today on 3 different pitches against hitters like Charlie Blackmon and Trevor Story, while knowing he has to get his fastball in the zone more consistently. He'll be absolutely fine and one of the best pitchers in baseball in the next couple of years. I'm very high on Gore, for the many reasons you pointed out. Sure, he can get some outs in the bigs right now like you say, but most likely not at a consistent level. We obviously need Lamet. Hopefully, he won't get thrown into the fire right away. In a season or two, if he keeps progressing, I'll be right there with you. Let's just not be premature about it by saying he can get big league outs now, without the follow up that it most likely wouldn't be consistent. He has a tendency to walk too many at this point, amongst other things. Also Ryan, when you follow someone for a long time, you can fall in love, and be blind at the same time with your thoughts. Don't let that happen to you.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:41:59 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 10, 2021 23:41:59 GMT -8
No, I'm the guy that has followed his career since the day he was drafted and knows more about him probably (shamefully) than 99% of people who comment on one inning of observation, rather than his entire professional career. Choosing to be objective is good here. He's 22, hasn't thrown a competitive minor league game since August of 2019 in AA and is still adjusting to new mechanics that have been implemented by the team. Last season, virtually every hot pitching prospect (Howard, Pearson, Patiño, etc) universally struggled to adjust in an abbreviated season against big league hitters. Asking for consistency from a 22 year old who has pitched twice in spring training and has thrown 21 innings above A ball is fine. I'm looking at a far bigger picture. There's zero doubt he can get big league outs right now, today. I'd prefer if he spent a month in AA to start this season, but with Lamet likely on the shelf and 24 games in 25 days to start the season, that may not be a luxury the team can afford. Sidenote : He's the best pitching prospect in baseball for a reason. Overreacting negatively to glorified scrimmages doesn't change that. What you want to see is a progression from outing to outing. He was clearly better today than his first time out. I choose to look at the 8 swinging strikes today on 3 different pitches against hitters like Charlie Blackmon and Trevor Story, while knowing he has to get his fastball in the zone more consistently. He'll be absolutely fine and one of the best pitchers in baseball in the next couple of years. I'm very high on Gore, for the many reasons you pointed out. Sure, he can get some outs in the bigs right now like you say, but most likely not at a consistent level. We obviously need Lamet. Hopefully, he won't get thrown into the fire right away. In a season or two, if he keeps progressing, I'll be right there with you. Let's just not be premature about it by saying he can get big league outs now, without the follow up that it most likely wouldn't be consistent. He has a tendency to walk too many at this point, amongst other things. Also Ryan, when you follow someone for a long time, you can fall in love, and be blind at the same time with your thoughts. Don't let that happen to you. Like I said, I'm capable of being objective. He walked 36 batters total across 2 different leagues while being the second youngest pitcher in both leagues in 2019, in over 100 innings. Rookies are not consistent. They don't peak at 22. For most guys, it's not until year 2 that they take the leap to become actual stars. Kershaw, Marquez, Buehler, just to name a few. Your expectations being unrealistic is the problem here. I'll tell you from the jump he is going to have hiccups and command issues periodically because every rookie pitcher does, especially ones that have a lot of moving parts in their delivery. That doesn't diminish his ability or his ceiling as one of the top pitchers in baseball. Hell, he didn't even throw his best pitch today. Fastball command will come along with more reps. People forget how insanely young he is and the fact he lost an entire year of competitive games at the most important level developmentally for a pitcher.
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Mar 11, 2021 0:31:15 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 11, 2021 0:31:15 GMT -8
I'm very high on Gore, for the many reasons you pointed out. Sure, he can get some outs in the bigs right now like you say, but most likely not at a consistent level. We obviously need Lamet. Hopefully, he won't get thrown into the fire right away. In a season or two, if he keeps progressing, I'll be right there with you. Let's just not be premature about it by saying he can get big league outs now, without the follow up that it most likely wouldn't be consistent. He has a tendency to walk too many at this point, amongst other things. Also Ryan, when you follow someone for a long time, you can fall in love, and be blind at the same time with your thoughts. Don't let that happen to you. Like I said, I'm capable of being objective. He walked 36 batters total across 2 different leagues while being the second youngest pitcher in both leagues in 2019, in over 100 innings. Rookies are not consistent. They don't peak at 22. For most guys, it's not until year 2 that they take the leap to become actual stars. Kershaw, Marquez, Buehler, just to name a few. Your expectations being unrealistic is the problem here. I'll tell you from the jump he is going to have hiccups and command issues periodically because every rookie pitcher does, especially ones that have a lot of moving parts in their delivery. That doesn't diminish his ability or his ceiling as one of the top pitchers in baseball. Hell, he didn't even throw his best pitch today. Fastball command will come along with more reps. People forget how insanely young he is and the fact he lost an entire year of competitive games at the most important level developmentally for a pitcher. Bottom line: Gore has the potential to be very good, if not great. There will be an obvious learning curve. Hopefully it won't be a long curve, so to speak.
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Mar 11, 2021 6:21:27 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 6:21:27 GMT -8
I actually forgot all about this kid.
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30 MLB prospects I can’t wait to see in person in 2021: Keith Law
San Diego Padres: Anderson Espinoza, RHP
Two Tommy John surgeries later, Espinoza is supposed to be back and ready to go, with the fastball and changeup where they were before his elbow first broke down. Espinoza was among the top right-handed pitching prospects in baseball before he got hurt, and I would at least like to see how he compares to when I saw him then, before he was even traded to the Padres, although assessing his durability will be a matter of data rather than observation.
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Mar 11, 2021 6:28:09 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 6:28:09 GMT -8
You're the "glass is half full" analogy with him. I'm optimistic for the future with him, but let's get some consistency first out of him. No, I'm the guy that has followed his career since the day he was drafted and knows more about him probably (shamefully) than 99% of people who comment on one inning of observation, rather than his entire professional career. Choosing to be objective is good here. He's 22, hasn't thrown a competitive minor league game since August of 2019 in AA and is still adjusting to new mechanics that have been implemented by the team. Last season, virtually every hot pitching prospect (Howard, Pearson, Patiño, etc) universally struggled to adjust in an abbreviated season against big league hitters. Asking for consistency from a 22 year old who has pitched twice in spring training and has thrown 21 innings above A ball is fine. I'm looking at a far bigger picture. There's zero doubt he can get big league outs right now, today. I'd prefer if he spent a month in AA to start this season, but with Lamet likely on the shelf and 24 games in 25 days to start the season, that may not be a luxury the team can afford. Sidenote : He's the best pitching prospect in baseball for a reason. Overreacting negatively to glorified scrimmages doesn't change that. What you want to see is a progression from outing to outing. He was clearly better today than his first time out. I choose to look at the 8 swinging strikes today on 3 different pitches against hitters like Charlie Blackmon and Trevor Story, while knowing he has to get his fastball in the zone more consistently. He'll be absolutely fine and one of the best pitchers in baseball in the next couple of years. I don't think I've been more bullish on a prospect before. I love the kid. I would say just a couple of things, that we have spoke about before: 1. It's not too concerning, just...whats the word...disappointing? That he has not been able to get through a couple of innings thus far. That being said, I completely agree with everything else you said. 2. His stuff is freak nasty good 3. Many of us saw Gore a year or two ago as a fast tracked uber prospect the likes of a young Kershaw, King Felix, and others I have previously cited who broke the bigs at age 20, 21. I was really thinking 2021 was the target for him, and I've read countless scouts and writers who pegged 2021 as his season -- back in 2019. But, all prospects develop at a certain pace. I'd love to see him contributing out of the pen as a super weapon or even starting sometime in 2021. I sure hope so.
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