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Aug 18, 2021 14:00:19 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 14:00:19 GMT -8
It's not. Mechanics is a lot more in depth and complex than most will give credit to. If his "mechanics" got THAT thrown off because of last season, then that's quite an indictment against whatever pitching coach would/should have been watching someone who is supposedly that valuable to the franchise. He's pitched 20 innings so far in AAA this season, 20! Most pitchers work out mechanics issues between starts or in the bullpen. He hasn't pitched in a game since June18th! In that game he went 1.1 innings, gave up 4 Hits including 3 HRs, 6 runs with 2 earned and issued 2 BBs. Sorry, it's more than mechanics. He's been "refining his delivery and arm action" in private with no blisters or injuries for almost two months now. Something else is going on. Is he working on that every day? Is there a reason there's been ZERO timelines put up? Is his psyche so fragile that we can't run him out there against Major Leaguers just in case he pulls it off? We're already scraping the bottom of the pitching barrel. Can't we at least try him? His delivery is not your conventional three quarters, over the top type motion. It requires balance, lift, extension, timing and synchronization. There are a lot of moving parts in it. He's been in Peoria to get past the blister issues, which is now the third time at least that I'm aware of and to refine the mechanics and regain his command. He's not coming up from Arizona. His development is larger than this season, so they will take the time to get it right.
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Aug 18, 2021 14:57:25 GMT -8
Post by sdcoug on Aug 18, 2021 14:57:25 GMT -8
If his "mechanics" got THAT thrown off because of last season, then that's quite an indictment against whatever pitching coach would/should have been watching someone who is supposedly that valuable to the franchise. He's pitched 20 innings so far in AAA this season, 20! Most pitchers work out mechanics issues between starts or in the bullpen. He hasn't pitched in a game since June18th! In that game he went 1.1 innings, gave up 4 Hits including 3 HRs, 6 runs with 2 earned and issued 2 BBs. Sorry, it's more than mechanics. He's been "refining his delivery and arm action" in private with no blisters or injuries for almost two months now. Something else is going on. Is he working on that every day? Is there a reason there's been ZERO timelines put up? Is his psyche so fragile that we can't run him out there against Major Leaguers just in case he pulls it off? We're already scraping the bottom of the pitching barrel. Can't we at least try him? His delivery is not your conventional three quarters, over the top type motion. It requires balance, lift, extension, timing and synchronization. There are a lot of moving parts in it. He's been in Peoria to get past the blister issues, which is now the third time at least that I'm aware of and to refine the mechanics and regain his command. He's not coming up from Arizona. His development is larger than this season, so they will take the time to get it right. what do you think of the Martinez kid?
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Aug 18, 2021 15:02:52 GMT -8
Post by junior on Aug 18, 2021 15:02:52 GMT -8
His delivery is not your conventional three quarters, over the top type motion. It requires balance, lift, extension, timing and synchronization. There are a lot of moving parts in it. He's been in Peoria to get past the blister issues, which is now the third time at least that I'm aware of and to refine the mechanics and regain his command. He's not coming up from Arizona. His development is larger than this season, so they will take the time to get it right. what do you think of the Martinez kid? … the one on the AA team? I read somewhere that he was being considered for some starts a la Knehr.
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Aug 18, 2021 15:05:50 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 15:05:50 GMT -8
His delivery is not your conventional three quarters, over the top type motion. It requires balance, lift, extension, timing and synchronization. There are a lot of moving parts in it. He's been in Peoria to get past the blister issues, which is now the third time at least that I'm aware of and to refine the mechanics and regain his command. He's not coming up from Arizona. His development is larger than this season, so they will take the time to get it right. what do you think of the Martinez kid? Got hit hard yesterday in El Paso, but I still think he's a quality option.
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Aug 18, 2021 21:17:25 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on Aug 18, 2021 21:17:25 GMT -8
what do you think of the Martinez kid? Got hit hard yesterday in El Paso, but I still think he's a quality option. He's the guy to throw into the fire for sure. We might not have a choice now with the Arrieta injury
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Aug 18, 2021 21:35:15 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 21:35:15 GMT -8
Got hit hard yesterday in El Paso, but I still think he's a quality option. He's the guy to throw into the fire for sure. We might not have a choice now with the Arrieta injury I think they should just go full openers at this point, Tampa style. Use Crismatt, Diaz and others to eat innings.
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Aug 19, 2021 3:42:49 GMT -8
Post by aztecmusician on Aug 19, 2021 3:42:49 GMT -8
If his "mechanics" got THAT thrown off because of last season, then that's quite an indictment against whatever pitching coach would/should have been watching someone who is supposedly that valuable to the franchise. He's pitched 20 innings so far in AAA this season, 20! Most pitchers work out mechanics issues between starts or in the bullpen. He hasn't pitched in a game since June18th! In that game he went 1.1 innings, gave up 4 Hits including 3 HRs, 6 runs with 2 earned and issued 2 BBs. Sorry, it's more than mechanics. He's been "refining his delivery and arm action" in private with no blisters or injuries for almost two months now. Something else is going on. Is he working on that every day? Is there a reason there's been ZERO timelines put up? Is his psyche so fragile that we can't run him out there against Major Leaguers just in case he pulls it off? We're already scraping the bottom of the pitching barrel. Can't we at least try him? His delivery is not your conventional three quarters, over the top type motion. It requires balance, lift, extension, timing and synchronization. There are a lot of moving parts in it. He's been in Peoria to get past the blister issues, which is now the third time at least that I'm aware of and to refine the mechanics and regain his command. He's not coming up from Arizona. His development is larger than this season, so they will take the time to get it right. I don’t think we will be seeing Gore until mid 2022. In 5 years he has thrown 200 minor league innings and he hasn’t really been that effective in his limited time in AA and AAA. That’s not a lot of work plus he seems injury prone. Remember Max Fried and Matt Wisler? They were the Pad’s top prospects at one time and it took those guys 7 and 9 years to get their stuff MLB ready. Neither one threw a pitch for San Diego, and this franchise has a loooong history of pitching prospects crapping out.
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Aug 19, 2021 8:09:58 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 8:09:58 GMT -8
His delivery is not your conventional three quarters, over the top type motion. It requires balance, lift, extension, timing and synchronization. There are a lot of moving parts in it. He's been in Peoria to get past the blister issues, which is now the third time at least that I'm aware of and to refine the mechanics and regain his command. He's not coming up from Arizona. His development is larger than this season, so they will take the time to get it right. I don’t think we will be seeing Gore until mid 2022. In 5 years he has thrown 200 minor league innings and he hasn’t really been that effective in his limited time in AA and AAA. That’s not a lot of work plus he seems injury prone. Remember Max Fried and Matt Wisler? They were the Pad’s top prospects at one time and it took those guys 7 and 9 years to get their stuff MLB ready. Neither one threw a pitch for San Diego, and this franchise has a loooong history of pitching prospects crapping out. He was very good in Double-A save for one wind-induced start, but it's a small sample. As is the Triple-A stuff. He's still just 22, so they have time.
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Aug 19, 2021 17:12:34 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 17:12:34 GMT -8
To put the conspiracy theories away: This takes a LOT of time and patience to undo an entire set of mechanics that Gore had used since high school.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 19:47:33 GMT -8
Surprise:
Gore started the game tonight. 4 2/3 innings, 2 hits, a walk, a hit batter (in the head), 8 strikeouts, no runs. 92-95. Command wasn't pinpoint, but an encouraging step.
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Aug 19, 2021 23:03:14 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 19, 2021 23:03:14 GMT -8
Surprise: Gore started the game tonight. 4 2/3 innings, 2 hits, a walk, a hit batter (in the head), 8 strikeouts, no runs. 92-95. Command wasn't pinpoint, but an encouraging step. 2 favorite words of your post- a walk. 8 k's to 1 BB - definitely encouraging. I take it he's not starting against the Dodgers Tuesday? ; )
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Aug 19, 2021 23:11:16 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 23:11:16 GMT -8
Surprise: Gore started the game tonight. 4 2/3 innings, 2 hits, a walk, a hit batter (in the head), 8 strikeouts, no runs. 92-95. Command wasn't pinpoint, but an encouraging step. 2 favorite words of your post- a walk. 8 k's to 1 BB - definitely encouraging. I take it he's not starting against the Dodgers Tuesday? ; ) Guarantee that will not happen. For now, just glad he's back on a mound and doing things like this.. And this...
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Aug 19, 2021 23:13:13 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 23:13:13 GMT -8
Surprise: Gore started the game tonight. 4 2/3 innings, 2 hits, a walk, a hit batter (in the head), 8 strikeouts, no runs. 92-95. Command wasn't pinpoint, but an encouraging step. 2 favorite words of your post- a walk. 8 k's to 1 BB - definitely encouraging. I take it he's not starting against the Dodgers Tuesday? ; ) Correction on his line: 1 earned run. Reliever allowed the inherited runner to score.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 20, 2021 3:29:35 GMT -8
Well, whatever happens with this kid, I hope he finds Jesus and the strike zone because the big league club needs him to step up…..soon.
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Aug 20, 2021 7:51:55 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2021 7:51:55 GMT -8
Well, whatever happens with this kid, I hope he finds Jesus and the strike zone because the big league club needs him to step up…..soon. Doubtful he comes up this season.
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Aug 20, 2021 11:55:18 GMT -8
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Aug 20, 2021 12:50:49 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2021 12:50:49 GMT -8
Without getting too heavy into the complications, here's a clip of Gore from 2019.
And here is a side-by-side of Gore from March of 2021 and last night...
To try and explain it with some clarity, there are a myriad of mechanical changes, some subtle and some not. They've shortened the arm swing dramatically. Shortening the arm swing prevents your arm from "dragging" through the optimal release point and puts less stress on the arm itself. A host of pitchers have undergone this type of transformation, known as "arm circling" or "spiraling" including Joe Musgrove, Lucas Giolito, Aaron Civale, Shane Bieber and others.
They've lessened the exaggeration on the leg kick out of the windup, probably about 25% or so. Lifting your leg over your head and then trying to throw a baseball is extremely difficult, just from a balance and landing standpoint. Your foot strike has to be consistent or you'll get out of sync very, very quickly.
The hand/glove placement is different, much more toned down. Again, moving parts and synchronization efforts, even with an elite athlete like Gore, take time and effort to institute. Not just about doing it once, but hundreds of times to retrain your muscle memory.
Long story short, I think we can shelve the "headcase" narrative or some of the other craziness that has popped up in lieu of information not being widely available. These are dramatic, drastic changes that were put in over the course of a couple months, essentially. We'll see where it goes.
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Sept 1, 2021 0:30:12 GMT -8
Post by aztecmusician on Sept 1, 2021 0:30:12 GMT -8
Gore is in Arizona mowing down the first year guys. 3 starts, 11 innings, 1.55 ERA.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 1, 2021 9:21:49 GMT -8
Gore is in Arizona mowing down the first year guys. 3 starts, 11 innings, 1.55 ERA. Think you missed some innings.
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Sept 4, 2021 9:24:09 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Sept 4, 2021 9:24:09 GMT -8
Gore moved up to Ft Wayne.
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