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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 16, 2021 10:21:56 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 16, 2021 11:52:32 GMT -8
Wait, what?? Are you telling me that a DEMOCRAT wants to win over REPUBLICAN leaning states?  THE HELL YOU SAY!!!! SHOCKING!!! The next thing you'll tell me is that Republicans want to win over Democratic leaning states... |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 16, 2021 12:18:50 GMT -8
The better example from this past week was Congressman Patrick Maloney who said he fully believed one of the Republican Congressman may use a smuggled gun to assassinate Joe Biden at the inauguration this coming Wednesday.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 16, 2021 13:19:32 GMT -8
The better example from this past week was Congressman Patrick Maloney who said he fully believed one of the Republican Congressman may use a smuggled gun to assassinate Joe Biden at the inauguration this coming Wednesday. I wouldn't put it past a couple of those nut jobs. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 16, 2021 18:13:51 GMT -8
There is sure to be bad blood between both sides, after members of Congress gave rioters tours of the capital building the day before so that they would know the layout, and the panic switches in congressmen's offices were found to be missing during the attack. All the while, Trump wouldn't call in the National Guard.
Sounds to me like some of the congressmen were in league with the rioters and Trump. Now some of the congressmen are skirting metal detectors to go onto the congressional floor? And most of the Republicans in the House didn't vote to impeach the Fascist scum that is Trump? I wonder why some Democratic congressmen might be concerned.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 16, 2021 18:17:18 GMT -8
I think that the better question is, What is the future of the Republican party? Most of the House Republicans didn't vote to impeach. The Republican National Committee still loves Trump. So do 70% of Republican voters. Will the Republican party continue to embrace Trumpian Fascism? Will more Republicans splinter away? Will the Lincoln Project get more corporate donations, as scumbags like Ted Cruz lose their corporate piggybanks? Time will tell.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 18, 2021 17:46:11 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 18, 2021 17:59:07 GMT -8
Do you ever expect to gain any kind of perspective getting all your news from far right-wing sources? I mean you told me sources didn't matter a while back, but still....try to gain something closer to the middle or you're just in a vacuum of misinformation. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 18, 2021 21:35:45 GMT -8
Do you ever expect to gain any kind of perspective getting all your news from far right-wing sources? I mean you told me sources didn't matter a while back, but still....try to gain something closer to the middle or you're just in a vacuum of misinformation. If you have access to the subject CNN interview of Congressman Steve Cohen, please share. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 18, 2021 22:31:18 GMT -8
Do you ever expect to gain any kind of perspective getting all your news from far right-wing sources? I mean you told me sources didn't matter a while back, but still....try to gain something closer to the middle or you're just in a vacuum of misinformation. If you have access to the subject CNN interview of Congressman Steve Cohen, please share. That has nothing to do with my post. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 19, 2021 11:17:51 GMT -8
I think that hes concerned that there is so much extremism in the Republican party that he is worried about the political party composition of the National Guard. The Republican party needs to be rebuilt. Refocus around fiscal conservatism, libertarianism, or more state governance. Abandon the xenophobia, racism, corruption, and authoritarianism that Trump has brought to the party. Culture as the breeding ground for political division has created this awful tribalism that has divided our country to the point that corruption and authoritarianism have become acceptable if they are done in favor of the party that you support. Enough of the double standards regarding police treatment of White vs. People of color, or the capital riots vs. BLM as well. We as a country cannot continue down this path, we need to stop treating people that are different from who we are as 'bad hombres'. The Republican party needs to abandon Fascism. Once both parties can actually start to embrace equality as a human right, only then can we move forward as a country united. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 19, 2021 12:10:24 GMT -8
I think that hes concerned that there is so much extremism in the Republican party that he is worried about the political party composition of the National Guard. The Republican party needs to be rebuilt. Refocus around fiscal conservatism, libertarianism, or more state governance. Abandon the xenophobia, racism, corruption, and authoritarianism that Trump has brought to the party. Culture as the breeding ground for political division has created this awful tribalism that has divided our country to the point that corruption and authoritarianism have become acceptable if they are done in favor of the party that you support. Enough of the double standards regarding police treatment of White vs. People of color, or the capital riots vs. BLM as well. We as a country cannot continue down this path, we need to stop treating people that are different from who we are as 'bad hombres'. The Republican party needs to abandon Fascism. Once both parties can actually start to embrace equality as a human right, only then can we move forward as a country united. I agree, but here's the problem. There is too much money to be made in division, and its too easy. Some of these "burn it down folks" better be careful what they wish for. I could see a scenario where that disheveled creep Bannon is walking down the street , looking at the carnage,and wishing he had something to eat or drink. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 19, 2021 12:39:30 GMT -8
The Republican party needs to abandon Fascism. I’m going to give you a little history on Fascism. Benito Mussolini, whose party is where we get the name “Fascism”, formed the Repubblica Sociale Italiana. Meanwhile in Germany they had the National sozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei which we call the Nazis. These aren’t misnomers. Fascism *IS* a type of Socialism. It is not Marxism. Communists revere German socialist thinker Karl Marx and Syndicalist/Fascists revere French socialist thinker Georges Sorel. Marxists and Fascists hate either other like Shia and Sunni Muslims but at their core they are the same thing. Where they differ is in what exactly is meant by ‘the means of production’. Marxists believe the means to encompass the tools, factories, etc. Fascists believe the people themselves are the means of production. Under Mussolini’s Fascist government, all citizens of Italy were required to register with a trade union when they became working age. Only members of trade unions got to vote and all jobs were union jobs. Factories and tools can be privately owned but they are heavily regulated by the trade union that governs their sector of the economy. Automobile factories were regulated by the Auto Workers Union and the workers, as union members, got a vote in those regulations. Restaurants were regulated by the Food Workers Union, and factories that made bricks would be regulated by the Brick Workers Union. This idea is called Corporatism and it has nothing to do with being run by Corporations. It comes from the Latin corpus, or “human body”, and analogizes the idea of industries being organs of the collective body. If you think Donald Trump is an Authoritarian then use the word Authoritarian, because nothing Trump has said or done comes close to pushing socialism or mandatory union membership. Bernie Sanders is closer to being Fascist than Trump is, and AOC is running right up to the edge of it with her support for Democratic Socialism. Once both parties can actually start to embrace equality as a human right, only then can we move forward as a country united. Now you're sounding like a right-winger. It is the right advocating for equality. The modern Democrat wants equity which is something different. Here in California, calling for equality could bring down the Suede-Denim Secret Police, and you don't want that. |
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Post by mayham81 on Jan 19, 2021 13:45:58 GMT -8
Wait, what?? Are you telling me that a DEMOCRAT wants to win over REPUBLICAN leaning states? THE HELL YOU SAY!!!! SHOCKING!!! The next thing you'll tell me is that Republicans want to win over Democratic leaning states... Not so much win as make it harder for people to vote in all states to avoid winning over voters by putting forth popular policy proposals. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 19, 2021 18:51:51 GMT -8
America is moving from a mono-cultural (white supremacy) society to a true multicultural America...with freedom and justice for all...the change is unsettling to a lot of white folks...thus their violent resistance to change...How's that?..the majority of whites voted for Trump...over 60 percent...therefore white supremacists (Republicans) figured they won the election...because they feel only what whites vote counts...when in fact most American voters (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, 37 percent whites) clearly voted against Trump...this pitted democracy against white supremacy...the results of the election concluded that democracy is not working for racist/bigots anymore...too many of the "others" are outvoting them...despite their best efforts at voter supression...so white supremacist declared the multicultural votes were illegal, fraud, and rigged...thus the ransacking of the Capitol to take their country back violently...white supremacy...trumps democracy in their worldview.....so racist bigots kneeled on democracy's neck...until she died.....it was a pyrrhic victory because in the process white supremacy also killed the Republican party...it killed conservatives...so there is nothing left but the Democratic party...it's where true Americans and patriots reside...people who believe in those pretty words printed on that piece of paper called the Constitution...the Republican party is no more...it's just a GOPlantation full of racist, bigots, insurrectionist and traitors to this country...and all for which they stand....
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 19, 2021 19:53:50 GMT -8
America is moving from a mono-cultural (white supremacy) society to a true multicultural America...with freedom and justice for all...the change is unsettling to a lot of white folks...thus their violent resistance to change...How's that?..the majority of whites voted for Trump...over 60 percent...therefore white supremacists (Republicans) figured they won the election...because they feel only what whites vote counts...when in fact most American voters (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, 37 percent whites) clearly voted against Trump...this pitted democracy against white supremacy...the results of the election concluded that democracy is not working for racist/bigots anymore...too many of the "others" are outvoting them...despite their best efforts at voter supression...so white supremacist declared the multicultural votes were illegal, fraud, and rigged...thus the ransacking of the Capitol to take their country back violently...white supremacy...trumps democracy in their worldview.....so racist bigots kneeled on democracy's neck...until she died.....it was a pyrrhic victory because in the process white supremacy also killed the Republican party...it killed conservatives...so there is nothing left but the Democratic party...it's where true Americans and patriots reside...people who believe in those pretty words printed on that piece of paper called the Constitution...the Republican party is no more...it's just a GOPlantation full of racist, bigots, insurrectionist and traitors to this country...and all for which they stand.... I mostly agree with this. They long for the days of Ozzie & Harriet and 3 minorities on TV..Hop Sing, Cisco Kid and Stepinfetchit. Luckily those dufous who broke into the Capitol building were amateurs. Imagine what professionals would have done? They took backpacks and hardware in there. There wouldn't have even been a building left...and guess who was watching? ..China, Russia , NC etc. Now they know they don't even need to do anything .....we can just accomplish what they want all by ourselves. I find it interesting that the initial QAnon conspiracy was helped along by Russia. Hmmm...wouldn't it be nice to create the American Taliban?? |
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Post by aardvark on Jan 19, 2021 21:27:16 GMT -8
I think that the better question is, What is the future of the Republican party? Most of the House Republicans didn't vote to impeach. The Republican National Committee still loves Trump. So do 70% of Republican voters. Will the Republican party continue to embrace Trumpian Fascism? Will more Republicans splinter away? Will the Lincoln Project get more corporate donations, as scumbags like Ted Cruz lose their corporate piggybanks? Time will tell. JMO--I think the Republican Party is in big trouble; especially if Trump is not prevented from running for president again in 2024. I think the Republicans will split in two, as many will support Trump, but many more will not, and the Democrat Party will say "thank you very much", and hold the presidency in 2024. Again, JMO. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 19, 2021 22:25:48 GMT -8
The Republican party needs to abandon Fascism. I’m going to give you a little history on Fascism. Benito Mussolini, whose party is where we get the name “Fascism”, formed the Repubblica Sociale Italiana. Meanwhile in Germany they had the National sozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei which we call the Nazis. These aren’t misnomers. Fascism *IS* a type of Socialism. It is not Marxism. Communists revere German socialist thinker Karl Marx and Syndicalist/Fascists revere French socialist thinker Georges Sorel. Marxists and Fascists hate either other like Shia and Sunni Muslims but at their core they are the same thing. Where they differ is in what exactly is meant by ‘the means of production’. Marxists believe the means to encompass the tools, factories, etc. Fascists believe the people themselves are the means of production. Under Mussolini’s Fascist government, all citizens of Italy were required to register with a trade union when they became working age. Only members of trade unions got to vote and all jobs were union jobs. Factories and tools can be privately owned but they are heavily regulated by the trade union that governs their sector of the economy. Automobile factories were regulated by the Auto Workers Union and the workers, as union members, got a vote in those regulations. Restaurants were regulated by the Food Workers Union, and factories that made bricks would be regulated by the Brick Workers Union. This idea is called Corporatism and it has nothing to do with being run by Corporations. It comes from the Latin corpus, or “human body”, and analogizes the idea of industries being organs of the collective body. If you think Donald Trump is an Authoritarian then use the word Authoritarian, because nothing Trump has said or done comes close to pushing socialism or mandatory union membership. Bernie Sanders is closer to being Fascist than Trump is, and AOC is running right up to the edge of it with her support for Democratic Socialism. Once both parties can actually start to embrace equality as a human right, only then can we move forward as a country united. Now you're sounding like a right-winger. It is the right advocating for equality. The modern Democrat wants equity which is something different. Here in California, calling for equality could bring down the Suede-Denim Secret Police, and you don't want that. Here is Wikipedia’s definition of Fascism: “Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.“ *Far-right (check) *authoritarian (IMO Trump fits the bill in his actions) *forcible suppression of opposition (Trump lead coup) *Strong regimentation of society (No - but he didn’t get the chance to. He stoked the flames of xenophobia and racism in his first term. If his coup was successful, it wouldn’t be that surprising if he started to round up other Democratic leaders, and then go after people of color, considering his track record) *Regimentation of the economy (No - he did not regiment our economy) In my opinion, he checks a lot of the boxes. The strong regimentation of society component of Fascism is something that I could have seen growing out of the hatred that he fermented from within his base. I mean there were protestors waving the confederate flag of slavery at his coup attempt. Hitler went nuts in his second term with Jewish people. So we can sit here and say “Okay, Trump wasn’t Fascist” - but you could have said the same about Hitler if he wasn’t successful in securing a second term. He wasn’t nearly as crazy in his first term as he was in his second if i remember correctly. We could have seen internment camps were Trump’s coup successful. We saw his separating of children from families in detainment facilities, the forced hysterectomies in Georgia. We saw him build his wall of hatred along the US/Mexico border. I can see where that train would have taken us were he successful in his coup. Also, regarding the economy - Fascist Germany was a capitalist economy that had top-down regimentation due to WWII. The US also had top-down regimentation once it entered the war. Swiss banks were invested in and held Nazi and American money in the war. Nazi’s were just as capitalist as we were as far as their economy was concerned. They build their version of the interstate highway system in the 30’s (the autobahn). You can have economic regimentation co-exist with capitalism. Where are the examples of Fascism outside of WWII? I don’t know that economic regimentation is actually a characteristic of Fascism philosophically so much as it is a characteristic of war economies during WWII (the era of Fascism). I identify Fascism with the first four principles that I listed more so then the fifth. ——- Equality means equal treatment. No us vs. them, no ‘bad hombres’, no Confederate flags, no harboring white supremacy in your ranks. You can’t be pro blue-lives but not pro black ones - and that means Not turning a blind eye to injustice! When your leadership does that, that’s not compatible with equality. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 19, 2021 23:37:28 GMT -8
Here is Wikipedia’s definition of Fascism: “Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right... You have to be very careful when using Wikipedia as a source in this kind of stuff. Fascism is Socialism. What is it about Fascism that you think lands it on the left-right political spectrum? I can tell you why it is historically attributed to the right (which doesn't correspond to the left-right spectrum of American politics) but I want to see what you come up with. As for Nazi Germany being capitalist, that is correct. The Nazis were socialists but they were not Marxists. Citizens could own factories but there was still top-down economic control and if a factory resisted control then it was seized by the government and nationalized. Junkers Aircraft is an example of a company the Nazis nationalized by taking it from founder Hugo Junkers, making him sign over all patents, and placing him under house arrest. That happened before the war. I don’t know that economic regimentation is actually a characteristic of Fascism philosophically... I'm going to stop you there. The Corporatism that is the economic regimentation of Fascism is such a characteristic of Fascism that it is literally where the name of the ideology comes from. In Italian the word 'fascio' means bundle. Mussolini viewed Italy economically as pieces independent unto themselves but bundled together to make a strong nation. If you take that out of Fascism then you aren't talking about Fascism. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 20, 2021 10:02:50 GMT -8
America is moving from a mono-cultural (white supremacy) society to a true multicultural America...with freedom and justice for all...the change is unsettling to a lot of white folks...thus their violent resistance to change...How's that?..the majority of whites voted for Trump...over 60 percent...therefore white supremacists (Republicans) figured they won the election...because they feel only what whites vote counts...when in fact most American voters (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, 37 percent whites) clearly voted against Trump...this pitted democracy against white supremacy...the results of the election concluded that democracy is not working for racist/bigots anymore...too many of the "others" are outvoting them...despite their best efforts at voter supression...so white supremacist declared the multicultural votes were illegal, fraud, and rigged...thus the ransacking of the Capitol to take their country back violently...white supremacy...trumps democracy in their worldview.....so racist bigots kneeled on democracy's neck...until she died.....it was a pyrrhic victory because in the process white supremacy also killed the Republican party...it killed conservatives...so there is nothing left but the Democratic party...it's where true Americans and patriots reside...people who believe in those pretty words printed on that piece of paper called the Constitution...the Republican party is no more...it's just a GOPlantation full of racist, bigots, insurrectionist and traitors to this country...and all for which they stand.... Does opposing China's hegemonic intention connote white supremacy or a concern for America long term national interests? Joe's "Made inAmerica" phony rhetoric just confirms the appeal of Trump's policies. Does a desire for a strong military connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? Are you or do you have relatives in uniform? If so, do you want them serving in a hollowed out military as it was in the Obama era? Do you think racist Neo-Marxist Critical Race Theory will go down well in middle America? If they pushed back on Common Core, do you actually think they are going to embrace this racist lunacy from clueless leftist Academia? Do you think that the overtly racist Prop 16 in CA, for example, is lost on the Asian community for the discrimination directed toward them? While they may not re-register as Republicans, the racist left has created a new group of like minded voters relative to being skeptical towards Academia. Do you think student loan forgiveness for "some" will be overlooked by those who had to send their kids to JuCos for lack of money and those who were responsible and paid all their own tuition obligations? Did you notice that the train wrecks California, NY, MN, IL, etc., will be likely losing electoral college votes to right-center Texas & Florida? The worm turns.... Does a policy for energy independence connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? I'm sure our single mothers are so looking forward to paying $6/Gal for gas (or more!?) to help India and China reduce their carbon footprint. Do policies that protect religious freedoms connote white supremacy or is it consistent with our core values with hopes to protect our long cherished rights? Remember, reasonable people of all races go to church regularly and many are opposed to abortion, etc. Ever heard of Alveda King? Does supporting legal immigration and opposing illegal immigration connote white supremacy or a concern for wage growth for the working poor (avoiding the glut of unskilled labor) in America and managing the over taxed resources of the state (by importing poverty)? BTW, do you notice how the rich Democrat politicians all send their kids to private schools?  Will human trafficking thru the Southern border miraculously stop with Amnesty? Will the availability of cheap black tar heroin and the death that it causes be reduced with an open border? Does supporting our police and law and order connote white supremacy or is it the best way for communities to thrive in safety? If White Supremacy (and not a universal desire for law and order), are any of you planning on vacationing in Juarez or Tijuana, Mexico, any time soon? No? Are you a bigot then? People with friends and loved ones in Law Enforcement, do you think they will ever align themselves with a party that supports an organization with the unofficial tagline "All Cops Are Ba$tard$"? Do you think small business owners being forced to pay employees $15 dollars an hour and are then faced with bankruptcy, lay offs and/or reduction in hours for employees will align themselves with the Democrats and the obvious Union backed initiative (as many Unions call out the Federal Minimum Wage in their Collective Bargaining Agreements)? Do you think the self-employed (see real estate, sales, delivery/car services, handymen, etc) that absolutely hate Obama care for its high costs, high deductibles and minimum benefits (~one free office visit a year!) will ever trust a Democrat promise that says your medical costs will go down and you can keep your doctor? I recall the clueless writing the GOP's obituary when Obama was elected with control of both houses of Congress. How stupid was that? So, there are about 35 Million registered in the GOP yet Trump received about 74 Million votes and all while being totally obnoxious. The election was about Trump and Democrat policies had almost nothing to do with it. The Democrats clearly know that the electorate will not embrace their selfish and clueless policies. No wonder why the Democrats seem to be so mad about winning. |
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Will human trafficking thru the Southern border miraculously stop with Amnesty? Will the availability of cheap black tar heroin and the death that it causes be reduced with an open border?