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Post by sdsustoner on Jan 28, 2021 6:03:53 GMT -8
Socialism seems to be working just fine in Europe. High standards of living, better healthcare and lifespan then the US, better public education, better air quality, more inter-generational mobility between classes. More opportunity. Basically, what the "American Dream" purports to be. Prioritizing people over industry and money, what a concept! Personally, I prefer the -ism that prioritizes people (social)ism, over wealth (capital)ism Sure, socialism works great when it isn't socialism. Every European country you are thinking of is a capitalist country, and most have business-friendly lower corporate tax rates than the US had before Trump lowered them. The -ism that prioritizes people is called Liberalism, and it is the enemy of Socialism. 😆 It usually works prior to the U.S. turning it into a puppet state. See Bolivia prior to the RW coup. Yeah...social democracies aren't socialism. But, why do conservatives refer to the things their gov does as socialism when speaking out against it? You can't call it socialism when propagandizing vs similar gov programs but then say not socialist because reasons that benefit your POV |
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Post by sdsustoner on Jan 28, 2021 6:06:27 GMT -8
It should be raised automatically in line with inflation. You want to peg a thing that is inflationary to inflation. Your idea is to automatically raise minimum wage which automatically raises inflation which would automatically raise minimum wage which would automatically raise inflation, etc. …and you don’t understand why this hasn’t already been done? The system as it currently stands is exploitative. They do not work ten times as hard as a minimum wage worker. I believe that they of course should be compensated for the hard work that they put in to becoming a computer programmer... Marxist labor theory of value? Gawd. How hard someone works has nothing to do with the value of that work. My favorite takedown of this piece of idiocy was written in 1959 by Robert A Heinlein: 😆 That fallacy of false equivalency either shows whimsical humor or plain ignorance. Try apple pies instead of mud. Since mud isn't actually food. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 28, 2021 6:50:02 GMT -8
All the work one cares to add will not turn a mud pie into an apple tart; it remains a mud pie, value zero. By corollary, unskillful work can easily subtract value; an untalented cook can turn wholesome dough and fresh green apples, valuable already, into an inedible mess, value zero. Conversely, a great chef can fashion of those same materials a confection of greater value than a commonplace apple tart, with no more effort than an ordinary cook uses to prepare an ordinary sweet.😆 That fallacy of false equivalency either shows whimsical humor or plain ignorance. Try apple pies instead of mud. Since mud isn't actually food. Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit as two-thirds of the allegory was about apple pies, but nice self-own. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 28, 2021 7:07:50 GMT -8
why do conservatives refer to the things their gov does as socialism when speaking out against it? You can't call it socialism when propagandizing vs similar gov programs but then say not socialist because reasons that benefit your POV This might come as a shock but not everyone elected to office in our government is super-intelligent. That said, I find governments protecting strong private property rights that also provides social services or a social safety net to be conflated with being a Socialist country most often by socialists desperate to point toward an example that didn't end in failure and mass graves. There might be the odd conservative who does it, but I know an econ major knows the difference and it comes across as disingenuous. |
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Post by azson on Jan 28, 2021 12:34:33 GMT -8
If you truly think that I can only speculate that you've been paying more attention to your bong or lava-lamp than current events over the past four years. As you ironically demonstrate your inability to separate policy from propaganda. Thanks for the laughs at ya as you unwittingly performed the demonstration portion of my post. So the antics of Trump and his enabling GOP over the past four years was just propaganda and I've been hoodwinked into thinking there's very little difference between the two parties? Again, I'd like some of what you're smoking. And for the record, I'm not a Dem and I abhor the 2-party system. |
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