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Post by sdsuball on Jan 20, 2021 10:23:20 GMT -8
America is moving from a mono-cultural (white supremacy) society to a true multicultural America...with freedom and justice for all...the change is unsettling to a lot of white folks...thus their violent resistance to change...How's that?..the majority of whites voted for Trump...over 60 percent...therefore white supremacists (Republicans) figured they won the election...because they feel only what whites vote counts...when in fact most American voters (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, 37 percent whites) clearly voted against Trump...this pitted democracy against white supremacy...the results of the election concluded that democracy is not working for racist/bigots anymore...too many of the "others" are outvoting them...despite their best efforts at voter supression...so white supremacist declared the multicultural votes were illegal, fraud, and rigged...thus the ransacking of the Capitol to take their country back violently...white supremacy...trumps democracy in their worldview.....so racist bigots kneeled on democracy's neck...until she died.....it was a pyrrhic victory because in the process white supremacy also killed the Republican party...it killed conservatives...so there is nothing left but the Democratic party...it's where true Americans and patriots reside...people who believe in those pretty words printed on that piece of paper called the Constitution...the Republican party is no more...it's just a GOPlantation full of racist, bigots, insurrectionist and traitors to this country...and all for which they stand.... Does opposing China's hegemonic intention connote white supremacy or a concern for America long term national interests? Joe's "Made inAmerica" phony rhetoric just confirms the appeal of Trump's policies. Does a desire for a strong military connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? Are you or do you have relatives in uniform? If so, do you want them serving in a hollowed out military as it was in the Obama era? Do you think racist Neo-Marxist Critical Race Theory will go down well in middle America? If they pushed back on Common Core, do you actually think they are going to embrace this racist lunacy from clueless leftist Academia? Do you think that the overtly racist Prop 16 in CA, for example, is lost on the Asian community for the discrimination directed toward them? While they may not re-register as Republicans, the racist left has created a new group of like minded voters relative to being skeptical towards Academia. Do you think student loan forgiveness for "some" will be overlooked by those who had to send their kids to JuCos for lack of money and those who were responsible and paid all their own tuition obligations? Did you notice that the train wrecks California, NY, MN, IL, etc., will be likely losing electoral college votes to right-center Texas & Florida? The worm turns.... Does a policy for energy independence connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? I'm sure our single mothers are so looking forward to paying $6/Gal for gas (or more!?) to help India and China reduce their carbon footprint. Do policies that protect religious freedoms connote white supremacy or is it consistent with our core values with hopes to protect our long cherished rights? Remember, reasonable people of all races go to church regularly and many are opposed to abortion, etc. Ever heard of Alveda King? Does supporting legal immigration and opposing illegal immigration connote white supremacy or a concern for wage growth for the working poor (avoiding the glut of unskilled labor) in America and managing the over taxed resources of the state (by importing poverty)? BTW, do you notice how the rich Democrat politicians all send their kids to private schools? Will human trafficking thru the Southern border miraculously stop with Amnesty? Will the availability of cheap black tar heroin and the death that it causes be reduced with an open border? Does supporting our police and law and order connote white supremacy or is it the best way for communities to thrive in safety? If White Supremacy (and not a universal desire for law and order), are any of you planning on vacationing in Juarez or Tijuana, Mexico, any time soon? No? Are you a bigot then? People with friends and loved ones in Law Enforcement, do you think they will ever align themselves with a party that supports an organization with the unofficial tagline "All Cops Are Ba$tard$"? Do you think small business owners being forced to pay employees $15 dollars an hour and are then faced with bankruptcy, lay offs and/or reduction in hours for employees will align themselves with the Democrats and the obvious Union backed initiative (as many Unions call out the Federal Minimum Wage in their Collective Bargaining Agreements)? Do you think the self-employed (see real estate, sales, delivery/car services, handymen, etc) that absolutely hate Obama care for its high costs, high deductibles and minimum benefits (~one free office visit a year!) will ever trust a Democrat promise that says your medical costs will go down and you can keep your doctor? I recall the clueless writing the GOP's obituary when Obama was elected with control of both houses of Congress. How stupid was that? So, there are about 35 Million registered in the GOP yet Trump received about 74 Million votes and all while being totally obnoxious. The election was about Trump and Democrat policies had almost nothing to do with it. The Democrats clearly know that the electorate will not embrace their selfish and clueless policies. No wonder why the Democrats seem to be so mad about winning. I think that your hatred for Democrats is obscuring the dire need for unity in this country. That means working together to build an America that builds up everyone, United under one flag and resolved to move forward from conflict. We have to look in the mirror here, all of us, and see how many issues have been swept under the rug due to bitter partisanship. It's time to secure a healthy future for all Americans, old and young. I hear you spouting off on a lot of Republican talking points but I think that you need to examine the life that you want other people to be able to lead as if they were not nameless individuals, but your relatives or friends. We talk about a $15 minimum wage, As if $15 an hour even goes that far in this country. Would you want your children to live off of the current $8.50 an hour federal minimum wage? Open your eyes. Please. Put yourself in other people's shoes. Look at what my Generation has inherited. A great recession, a pandemic, the hollowing out of the middle class. Climate change. The prospect of more and more jobs becoming automated. We need to stop bickering so much and work together to build a better future for our children, their children, and their children's children. Stop with the rhetoric and start hearing the perspectives of people who are younger then you, who have lived a different reality then you have. We face different challenges then you did. Stop marginalizing me and my Generation. Stop marginalizing children who have to inherit the world that we entrust to them. Look through our eyes.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 20, 2021 10:41:55 GMT -8
America is moving from a mono-cultural (white supremacy) society to a true multicultural America...with freedom and justice for all...the change is unsettling to a lot of white folks...thus their violent resistance to change...How's that?..the majority of whites voted for Trump...over 60 percent...therefore white supremacists (Republicans) figured they won the election...because they feel only what whites vote counts...when in fact most American voters (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, 37 percent whites) clearly voted against Trump...this pitted democracy against white supremacy...the results of the election concluded that democracy is not working for racist/bigots anymore...too many of the "others" are outvoting them...despite their best efforts at voter supression...so white supremacist declared the multicultural votes were illegal, fraud, and rigged...thus the ransacking of the Capitol to take their country back violently...white supremacy...trumps democracy in their worldview.....so racist bigots kneeled on democracy's neck...until she died.....it was a pyrrhic victory because in the process white supremacy also killed the Republican party...it killed conservatives...so there is nothing left but the Democratic party...it's where true Americans and patriots reside...people who believe in those pretty words printed on that piece of paper called the Constitution...the Republican party is no more...it's just a GOPlantation full of racist, bigots, insurrectionist and traitors to this country...and all for which they stand.... Does opposing China's hegemonic intention connote white supremacy or a concern for America long term national interests? Joe's "Made inAmerica" phony rhetoric just confirms the appeal of Trump's policies. Does a desire for a strong military connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? Are you or do you have relatives in uniform? If so, do you want them serving in a hollowed out military as it was in the Obama era? Do you think racist Neo-Marxist Critical Race Theory will go down well in middle America? If they pushed back on Common Core, do you actually think they are going to embrace this racist lunacy from clueless leftist Academia? Do you think that the overtly racist Prop 16 in CA, for example, is lost on the Asian community for the discrimination directed toward them? While they may not re-register as Republicans, the racist left has created a new group of like minded voters relative to being skeptical towards Academia. Do you think student loan forgiveness for "some" will be overlooked by those who had to send their kids to JuCos for lack of money and those who were responsible and paid all their own tuition obligations? Did you notice that the train wrecks California, NY, MN, IL, etc., will be likely losing electoral college votes to right-center Texas & Florida? The worm turns.... Does a policy for energy independence connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? I'm sure our single mothers are so looking forward to paying $6/Gal for gas (or more!?) to help India and China reduce their carbon footprint. Do policies that protect religious freedoms connote white supremacy or is it consistent with our core values with hopes to protect our long cherished rights? Remember, reasonable people of all races go to church regularly and many are opposed to abortion, etc. Ever heard of Alveda King? Does supporting legal immigration and opposing illegal immigration connote white supremacy or a concern for wage growth for the working poor (avoiding the glut of unskilled labor) in America and managing the over taxed resources of the state (by importing poverty)? BTW, do you notice how the rich Democrat politicians all send their kids to private schools? Will human trafficking thru the Southern border miraculously stop with Amnesty? Will the availability of cheap black tar heroin and the death that it causes be reduced with an open border? Does supporting our police and law and order connote white supremacy or is it the best way for communities to thrive in safety? If White Supremacy (and not a universal desire for law and order), are any of you planning on vacationing in Juarez or Tijuana, Mexico, any time soon? No? Are you a bigot then? People with friends and loved ones in Law Enforcement, do you think they will ever align themselves with a party that supports an organization with the unofficial tagline "All Cops Are Ba$tard$"? Do you think small business owners being forced to pay employees $15 dollars an hour and are then faced with bankruptcy, lay offs and/or reduction in hours for employees will align themselves with the Democrats and the obvious Union backed initiative (as many Unions call out the Federal Minimum Wage in their Collective Bargaining Agreements)? Do you think the self-employed (see real estate, sales, delivery/car services, handymen, etc) that absolutely hate Obama care for its high costs, high deductibles and minimum benefits (~one free office visit a year!) will ever trust a Democrat promise that says your medical costs will go down and you can keep your doctor? I recall the clueless writing the GOP's obituary when Obama was elected with control of both houses of Congress. How stupid was that? So, there are about 35 Million registered in the GOP yet Trump received about 74 Million votes and all while being totally obnoxious. The election was about Trump and Democrat policies had almost nothing to do with it. The Democrats clearly know that the electorate will not embrace their selfish and clueless policies. No wonder why the Democrats seem to be so mad about winning. Instead of fighting and being divided, can we find common ground? Can we pass legislation to insure that our police force protects all Americans regardless of color equally? Can we insure that families have universal preschool, have a minimum wage of $15/hr so that they have more money to pay for elevated gas prices? So that all kids have a fair start in life, just like our K-12 system has granted children in America for over a century? So that both Fathers and Mothers can work to put food on the table? Can we build a national electric vehicle charging network so that people can pay <Less then they pay today> to fuel their vehicles with economical electricity? There is Common Ground here. I ask you to look for it.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 20, 2021 10:51:18 GMT -8
Does opposing China's hegemonic intention connote white supremacy or a concern for America long term national interests? Joe's "Made inAmerica" phony rhetoric just confirms the appeal of Trump's policies. Does a desire for a strong military connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? Are you or do you have relatives in uniform? If so, do you want them serving in a hollowed out military as it was in the Obama era? Do you think racist Neo-Marxist Critical Race Theory will go down well in middle America? If they pushed back on Common Core, do you actually think they are going to embrace this racist lunacy from clueless leftist Academia? Do you think that the overtly racist Prop 16 in CA, for example, is lost on the Asian community for the discrimination directed toward them? While they may not re-register as Republicans, the racist left has created a new group of like minded voters relative to being skeptical towards Academia. Do you think student loan forgiveness for "some" will be overlooked by those who had to send their kids to JuCos for lack of money and those who were responsible and paid all their own tuition obligations? Did you notice that the train wrecks California, NY, MN, IL, etc., will be likely losing electoral college votes to right-center Texas & Florida? The worm turns.... Does a policy for energy independence connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? I'm sure our single mothers are so looking forward to paying $6/Gal for gas (or more!?) to help India and China reduce their carbon footprint. Do policies that protect religious freedoms connote white supremacy or is it consistent with our core values with hopes to protect our long cherished rights? Remember, reasonable people of all races go to church regularly and many are opposed to abortion, etc. Ever heard of Alveda King? Does supporting legal immigration and opposing illegal immigration connote white supremacy or a concern for wage growth for the working poor (avoiding the glut of unskilled labor) in America and managing the over taxed resources of the state (by importing poverty)? BTW, do you notice how the rich Democrat politicians all send their kids to private schools? Will human trafficking thru the Southern border miraculously stop with Amnesty? Will the availability of cheap black tar heroin and the death that it causes be reduced with an open border? Does supporting our police and law and order connote white supremacy or is it the best way for communities to thrive in safety? If White Supremacy (and not a universal desire for law and order), are any of you planning on vacationing in Juarez or Tijuana, Mexico, any time soon? No? Are you a bigot then? People with friends and loved ones in Law Enforcement, do you think they will ever align themselves with a party that supports an organization with the unofficial tagline "All Cops Are Ba$tard$"? Do you think small business owners being forced to pay employees $15 dollars an hour and are then faced with bankruptcy, lay offs and/or reduction in hours for employees will align themselves with the Democrats and the obvious Union backed initiative (as many Unions call out the Federal Minimum Wage in their Collective Bargaining Agreements)? Do you think the self-employed (see real estate, sales, delivery/car services, handymen, etc) that absolutely hate Obama care for its high costs, high deductibles and minimum benefits (~one free office visit a year!) will ever trust a Democrat promise that says your medical costs will go down and you can keep your doctor? I recall the clueless writing the GOP's obituary when Obama was elected with control of both houses of Congress. How stupid was that? So, there are about 35 Million registered in the GOP yet Trump received about 74 Million votes and all while being totally obnoxious. The election was about Trump and Democrat policies had almost nothing to do with it. The Democrats clearly know that the electorate will not embrace their selfish and clueless policies. No wonder why the Democrats seem to be so mad about winning. I think that your hatred for Democrats is obscuring the dire need for unity in this country. That means working together to build an America that builds up everyone, United under one flag and resolved to move forward from conflict. We have to look in the mirror here, all of us, and see how many issues have been swept under the rug due to bitter partisanship. It's time to secure a healthy future for all Americans, old and young. I hear you spouting off on a lot of Republican talking points but I think that you need to examine the life that you want other people to be able to lead as if they were not nameless individuals, but your relatives or friends. We talk about a $15 minimum wage, As if $15 an hour even goes that far in this country. Would you want your children to live off of the current $8.50 an hour federal minimum wage? Open your eyes. Please. Put yourself in other people's shoes. Look at what my Generation has inherited. A great recession, a pandemic, the hollowing out of the middle class. Climate change. The prospect of more and more jobs becoming automated. We need to stop bickering so much and work together to build a better future for our children, their children, and their children's children. Stop with the rhetoric and start hearing the perspectives of people who are younger then you, who have lived a different reality then you have. We face different challenges then you did. Stop marginalizing me and my Generation. Stop marginalizing children who have to inherit the world that we entrust to them. Look through our eyes. this is a very strong post sdsuball. I'm an old dude, but my heart aches for the young and what they are facing. To listen to old farts in a pissing contest must be disheartening. The boilerplate responses by some of these guys is simply the old crank with the get off my lawn sign.
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Post by azson on Jan 20, 2021 16:57:33 GMT -8
Does opposing China's hegemonic intention connote white supremacy or a concern for America long term national interests? Joe's "Made inAmerica" phony rhetoric just confirms the appeal of Trump's policies. Does a desire for a strong military connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? Are you or do you have relatives in uniform? If so, do you want them serving in a hollowed out military as it was in the Obama era? Do you think racist Neo-Marxist Critical Race Theory will go down well in middle America? If they pushed back on Common Core, do you actually think they are going to embrace this racist lunacy from clueless leftist Academia? Do you think that the overtly racist Prop 16 in CA, for example, is lost on the Asian community for the discrimination directed toward them? While they may not re-register as Republicans, the racist left has created a new group of like minded voters relative to being skeptical towards Academia. Do you think student loan forgiveness for "some" will be overlooked by those who had to send their kids to JuCos for lack of money and those who were responsible and paid all their own tuition obligations? Did you notice that the train wrecks California, NY, MN, IL, etc., will be likely losing electoral college votes to right-center Texas & Florida? The worm turns.... Does a policy for energy independence connote white supremacy or a concern for American national interests? I'm sure our single mothers are so looking forward to paying $6/Gal for gas (or more!?) to help India and China reduce their carbon footprint. Do policies that protect religious freedoms connote white supremacy or is it consistent with our core values with hopes to protect our long cherished rights? Remember, reasonable people of all races go to church regularly and many are opposed to abortion, etc. Ever heard of Alveda King? Does supporting legal immigration and opposing illegal immigration connote white supremacy or a concern for wage growth for the working poor (avoiding the glut of unskilled labor) in America and managing the over taxed resources of the state (by importing poverty)? BTW, do you notice how the rich Democrat politicians all send their kids to private schools? Will human trafficking thru the Southern border miraculously stop with Amnesty? Will the availability of cheap black tar heroin and the death that it causes be reduced with an open border? Does supporting our police and law and order connote white supremacy or is it the best way for communities to thrive in safety? If White Supremacy (and not a universal desire for law and order), are any of you planning on vacationing in Juarez or Tijuana, Mexico, any time soon? No? Are you a bigot then? People with friends and loved ones in Law Enforcement, do you think they will ever align themselves with a party that supports an organization with the unofficial tagline "All Cops Are Ba$tard$"? Do you think small business owners being forced to pay employees $15 dollars an hour and are then faced with bankruptcy, lay offs and/or reduction in hours for employees will align themselves with the Democrats and the obvious Union backed initiative (as many Unions call out the Federal Minimum Wage in their Collective Bargaining Agreements)? Do you think the self-employed (see real estate, sales, delivery/car services, handymen, etc) that absolutely hate Obama care for its high costs, high deductibles and minimum benefits (~one free office visit a year!) will ever trust a Democrat promise that says your medical costs will go down and you can keep your doctor? I recall the clueless writing the GOP's obituary when Obama was elected with control of both houses of Congress. How stupid was that? So, there are about 35 Million registered in the GOP yet Trump received about 74 Million votes and all while being totally obnoxious. The election was about Trump and Democrat policies had almost nothing to do with it. The Democrats clearly know that the electorate will not embrace their selfish and clueless policies. No wonder why the Democrats seem to be so mad about winning. I think that your hatred for Democrats is obscuring the dire need for unity in this country. That means working together to build an America that builds up everyone, United under one flag and resolved to move forward from conflict. We have to look in the mirror here, all of us, and see how many issues have been swept under the rug due to bitter partisanship. It's time to secure a healthy future for all Americans, old and young. I hear you spouting off on a lot of Republican talking points but I think that you need to examine the life that you want other people to be able to lead as if they were not nameless individuals, but your relatives or friends. We talk about a $15 minimum wage, As if $15 an hour even goes that far in this country. Would you want your children to live off of the current $8.50 an hour federal minimum wage? Open your eyes. Please. Put yourself in other people's shoes. Look at what my Generation has inherited. A great recession, a pandemic, the hollowing out of the middle class. Climate change. The prospect of more and more jobs becoming automated. We need to stop bickering so much and work together to build a better future for our children, their children, and their children's children. Stop with the rhetoric and start hearing the perspectives of people who are younger then you, who have lived a different reality then you have. We face different challenges then you did. Stop marginalizing me and my Generation. Stop marginalizing children who have to inherit the world that we entrust to them. Look through our eyes. Bingo. thor, et al. have been so busy calling "TDS!" that they've failed to take a look in the mirror.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 21, 2021 10:33:40 GMT -8
We need to stop bickering so much and work together to build a better future for our children Our children? No offense but you don’t talk like someone who has kids or a successful marriage. We were all young and dumb once and have all looked through your eyes. Learning is a process that never stops and the perspective change that comes with centering on providing for someone other than yourself as you raise kids is not a negative. You do yourself no favors by dismissing the wisdom of people who have seen more than you. Can we pass legislation to insure that our police force protects all Americans regardless of color equally? I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but people have lied to you your whole life. Some of the things you think are true aren’t, and others are utopian dreams that have no connection to reality. Legislatively, and in case law, the duty of police forces to protect Americans is insured to be equal regardless of color, as in the police have no duty to protect anyone. A police officer can watch someone walk up to you with gun in hand as he shouts “you are a dead man” and do nothing but continue to eat his doughnut while he watches the guy shoot you. It doesn’t matter what color you are, or the shooter is, or the cop is. We are all equal. If instead what you had in mind was a system of racial quotas that insured the protection provided to POC was equal to the protection provided to non-POC, then I can only assume that you want to harm POC. Police provide far MORE protection proportionally to Black communities than any other, as evidenced by the number of calls to 911 by race of the person calling in and the police response provided to those calls. What you are suggesting is that you want 911 operators to get the ethnicity of people calling in and if POC have made too many calls to 911 that month then they’ll have to call back next month. have a minimum wage of $15/hr so that they have more money This post is already getting long so I’m not going to dive deeply into monetary theory, but raising the minimum wage does nothing. When it was $3/hour, a minimum wage job was crappy. When it was $6, it was still crappy. At $8, it’s crappy. At $12 or $15 it will be crappy. The number is irrelevant. The worth of an hour’s work is determined by economic factors, and it is such a massive part of the economy that changing minimum wage doesn’t increase the value of an hour of work but instead decreases the purchasing value of the dollar. The worker may have twice as much money but now everything costs twice as much so what the worker can purchase is the same as it always was. The way to increase the standard of living for your population is to make them skilled so they command more than unskilled labor prices. Can we build a national electric vehicle charging network so that people can pay <Less then they pay today> to fuel their vehicles with economical electricity? Who is “we”? If you mean the government, when as the government ever shown they can do anything more economically than industry? If you mean industry, then it is already being built. You may even have a node to that network in your own home.
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Post by sdsustoner on Jan 26, 2021 3:46:27 GMT -8
LMAO
This board is always good for hilarious takes from duopolist fanboys & fangirls of both parties. We have 2 almost identical parties with 2 polarized groups of fanbots due to both parties' propaganda dividing you into paranoid ignorance.
I can't wait until the pandemic is over so I can move to a country that isn't 2nd worst in the developed world to raise a family.
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Post by sdsustoner on Jan 26, 2021 3:51:05 GMT -8
We need to stop bickering so much and work together to build a better future for our children Our children? No offense but you don’t talk like someone who has kids or a successful marriage. We were all young and dumb once and have all looked through your eyes. Learning is a process that never stops and the perspective change that comes with centering on providing for someone other than yourself as you raise kids is not a negative. You do yourself no favors by dismissing the wisdom of people who have seen more than you. Can we pass legislation to insure that our police force protects all Americans regardless of color equally? I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but people have lied to you your whole life. Some of the things you think are true aren’t, and others are utopian dreams that have no connection to reality. Legislatively, and in case law, the duty of police forces to protect Americans is insured to be equal regardless of color, as in the police have no duty to protect anyone. A police officer can watch someone walk up to you with gun in hand as he shouts “you are a dead man” and do nothing but continue to eat his doughnut while he watches the guy shoot you. It doesn’t matter what color you are, or the shooter is, or the cop is. We are all equal. If instead what you had in mind was a system of racial quotas that insured the protection provided to POC was equal to the protection provided to non-POC, then I can only assume that you want to harm POC. Police provide far MORE protection proportionally to Black communities than any other, as evidenced by the number of calls to 911 by race of the person calling in and the police response provided to those calls. What you are suggesting is that you want 911 operators to get the ethnicity of people calling in and if POC have made too many calls to 911 that month then they’ll have to call back next month. have a minimum wage of $15/hr so that they have more money This post is already getting long so I’m not going to dive deeply into monetary theory, but raising the minimum wage does nothing. When it was $3/hour, a minimum wage job was crappy. When it was $6, it was still crappy. At $8, it’s crappy. At $12 or $15 it will be crappy. The number is irrelevant. The worth of an hour’s work is determined by economic factors, and it is such a massive part of the economy that changing minimum wage doesn’t increase the value of an hour of work but instead decreases the purchasing value of the dollar. The worker may have twice as much money but now everything costs twice as much so what the worker can purchase is the same as it always was. The way to increase the standard of living for your population is to make them skilled so they command more than unskilled labor prices. Can we build a national electric vehicle charging network so that people can pay <Less then they pay today> to fuel their vehicles with economical electricity? Who is “we”? If you mean the government, when as the government ever shown they can do anything more economically than industry? If you mean industry, then it is already being built. You may even have a node to that network in your own home. 😆 There's decades of data that takes a dump on your condescension. It's actually pretty funny that you can maintain that smug tone while people who've read data just laugh.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 26, 2021 7:33:41 GMT -8
LMAO This board is always good for hilarious takes from duopolist fanboys & fangirls of both parties. We have 2 almost identical parties with 2 polarized groups of fanbots due to both parties' propaganda dividing you into paranoid ignorance. I can't wait until the pandemic is over so I can move to a country that isn't 2nd worst in the developed world to raise a family. We did have 2 almost identical parties. The world looking in can't tell the difference between a Classical Liberal and a Koch-backed Conservative, but it is looking like it could be a new day. Apparently it has been long enough since the last time someone tried true socialism only to discover it always leads to abject poverty and a pile of dead bodies that they've forgotten, but I'm not too worried. Socialists are terrible at running an economy and at least since FDR our system of government dumps politicians every time there is an economic downturn. Good luck to you in your search for a workers paradise. Even China has ditched Socialism as a dead end idea although they hilariously still call themselves Communist.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 26, 2021 11:13:03 GMT -8
LMAO This board is always good for hilarious takes from duopolist fanboys & fangirls of both parties. We have 2 almost identical parties with 2 polarized groups of fanbots due to both parties' propaganda dividing you into paranoid ignorance. I can't wait until the pandemic is over so I can move to a country that isn't 2nd worst in the developed world to raise a family. We did have 2 almost identical parties. The world looking in can't tell the difference between a Classical Liberal and a Koch-backed Conservative, but it is looking like it could be a new day. Apparently it has been long enough since the last time someone tried true socialism only to discover it always leads to abject poverty and a pile of dead bodies that they've forgotten, but I'm not too worried. Socialists are terrible at running an economy and at least since FDR our system of government dumps politicians every time there is an economic downturn. Good luck to you in your search for a workers paradise. Even China has ditched Socialism as a dead end idea although they hilariously still call themselves Communist. Socialism seems to be working just fine in Europe. High standards of living, better healthcare and lifespan then the US, better public education, better air quality, more inter-generational mobility between classes. More opportunity. Basically, what the "American Dream" purports to be. Prioritizing people over industry and money, what a concept! Personally, I prefer the -ism that prioritizes people (social)ism, over wealth (capital)ism
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 26, 2021 11:33:15 GMT -8
Our children? No offense but you don’t talk like someone who has kids or a successful marriage. We were all young and dumb once and have all looked through your eyes. Learning is a process that never stops and the perspective change that comes with centering on providing for someone other than yourself as you raise kids is not a negative. You do yourself no favors by dismissing the wisdom of people who have seen more than you. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but people have lied to you your whole life. Some of the things you think are true aren’t, and others are utopian dreams that have no connection to reality. Legislatively, and in case law, the duty of police forces to protect Americans is insured to be equal regardless of color, as in the police have no duty to protect anyone. A police officer can watch someone walk up to you with gun in hand as he shouts “you are a dead man” and do nothing but continue to eat his doughnut while he watches the guy shoot you. It doesn’t matter what color you are, or the shooter is, or the cop is. We are all equal. If instead what you had in mind was a system of racial quotas that insured the protection provided to POC was equal to the protection provided to non-POC, then I can only assume that you want to harm POC. Police provide far MORE protection proportionally to Black communities than any other, as evidenced by the number of calls to 911 by race of the person calling in and the police response provided to those calls. What you are suggesting is that you want 911 operators to get the ethnicity of people calling in and if POC have made too many calls to 911 that month then they’ll have to call back next month. This post is already getting long so I’m not going to dive deeply into monetary theory, but raising the minimum wage does nothing. When it was $3/hour, a minimum wage job was crappy. When it was $6, it was still crappy. At $8, it’s crappy. At $12 or $15 it will be crappy. The number is irrelevant. The worth of an hour’s work is determined by economic factors, and it is such a massive part of the economy that changing minimum wage doesn’t increase the value of an hour of work but instead decreases the purchasing value of the dollar. The worker may have twice as much money but now everything costs twice as much so what the worker can purchase is the same as it always was. The way to increase the standard of living for your population is to make them skilled so they command more than unskilled labor prices. Who is “we”? If you mean the government, when as the government ever shown they can do anything more economically than industry? If you mean industry, then it is already being built. You may even have a node to that network in your own home. 😆 There's decades of data that takes a dump on your condescension. It's actually pretty funny that you can maintain that smug tone while people who've read data just laugh. Actually, I feel like I was lied to in the 90's and 2000's when moderates told us that social policies were too expensive, that America had 'the best healthcare system in the world' - when really that was code for 'best healthcare system in the world for wealthy people, but worse quality of care overall then almost all of the first world countries, because the private health care system is not good if you aren't well off', that America has a lower life expectancy then European countries even though they have higher rates of smoking, because they have socialized medicine. Japan pays HALF per capita of what we pay for healthcare, and they have the Best Healthcare System In The World, because they have strict costs on healthcare procedures and prescription drugs. Basically, their healthcare system isn't BOUGHT by the Healthcare Industry. that America was the 'land of opportunity' - well maybe it used to be, when public college tuition was affordable. Although really, back then it was the land of opportunity if you were White. Not if you were black, or brown, because then you got thrown in jail for 10 years for being in possession of weed. Or you were discriminated against by employers. Or (back in the 50's, pre civil rights movement), you were ineligible to get a mortgage in certain neighborhoods if you weren't white. Making it hard to pass on generational wealth. Now you look at tuition today, and you look at socialist Europe where tuition is free, and you have a better educated workforce. And there is more class mobility. But in America there is not. And it seems like those same black and brown people, who were ineligible to get mortgages, who have far less generational wealth, now are suffering from insane college education prices, and that the lack of social programs in the US is just another way to keep minorities poor in America. You're telling me that we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, that prices will just go up an it will cause inflation, and that you don't really want to go into monetary theory with me And yet you are talking to someone who majored in Economics, who is a graduate student, who studied the elasticity of wages, where the elasticity of minimum wage is rather low, meaning that very little job loss will actually occur from a raise in minimum wages. Meanwhile nobody answers me when I ask if they would want to live off of minimum wage, or if they would want their children to live off of minimum wage. You don't like minimum wage? Fine. Universal basic income is also a great answer. Then you don't have any (miniscule) job losses that you would see with a minimum wage increase. Progressives support that. Oh but wait, the conservatives don't want to increase taxes to pay for it, or trim the defense budget to pay for it. Right. But wait, the progressives want to offer universal college, and universal pre-K, to raise the marginal productivity of workers so that they can earn more money! Oh but wait, the conservatives don't support that either. Hmm. It sounds more and more like the conservatives just don't support the welfare of (people)
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 26, 2021 11:45:33 GMT -8
LMAO This board is always good for hilarious takes from duopolist fanboys & fangirls of both parties. We have 2 almost identical parties with 2 polarized groups of fanbots due to both parties' propaganda dividing you into paranoid ignorance. I can't wait until the pandemic is over so I can move to a country that isn't 2nd worst in the developed world to raise a family. We did have 2 almost identical parties. The world looking in can't tell the difference between a Classical Liberal and a Koch-backed Conservative, but it is looking like it could be a new day. Apparently it has been long enough since the last time someone tried true socialism only to discover it always leads to abject poverty and a pile of dead bodies that they've forgotten, but I'm not too worried. Socialists are terrible at running an economy and at least since FDR our system of government dumps politicians every time there is an economic downturn. Good luck to you in your search for a workers paradise. Even China has ditched Socialism as a dead end idea although they hilariously still call themselves Communist. You are correct that the parties were almost identical in the 90's and 2000's. They were both bought by corporate interests in the form of political donations and they were both in favor of neo-liberalism. Look where that got us.More wealth inequality then any time in American history since the 1920's.Corporations, and well paid corporate executives, making bank, andThe bottom 80% of America seeing their earning power and wealth shrink relative to the top 20%No wonder Trumpism came out of this neo-liberal mess. Working class people saw the moderate Democrats as not representing their interests, and Republicans not supporting their interests. Then you throw in racism, an increase in minorities living in America, and wage decreases or stagnation <especially in rural America, which has not been helped by Globalization like the cities have> Then you take a president like Trump who will say that he is all for the workers, yet slash corporate taxes to enrich his corporate friends. Then instead of helping working class people, he will fan the flames of racist rhetoric to make his impoverished followers feel better. Meanwhile the wealthy Republicans are laughing taking their tax cuts to the bank. What a joke.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 26, 2021 12:00:07 GMT -8
Socialism seems to be working just fine in Europe. High standards of living, better healthcare and lifespan then the US, better public education, better air quality, more inter-generational mobility between classes. More opportunity. Basically, what the "American Dream" purports to be. Prioritizing people over industry and money, what a concept! Personally, I prefer the -ism that prioritizes people (social)ism, over wealth (capital)ism Sure, socialism works great when it isn't socialism. Every European country you are thinking of is a capitalist country, and most have business-friendly lower corporate tax rates than the US had before Trump lowered them. The -ism that prioritizes people is called Liberalism, and it is the enemy of Socialism.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 26, 2021 12:01:23 GMT -8
We need to stop bickering so much and work together to build a better future for our children Our children? No offense but you don’t talk like someone who has kids or a successful marriage. We were all young and dumb once and have all looked through your eyes. Learning is a process that never stops and the perspective change that comes with centering on providing for someone other than yourself as you raise kids is not a negative. You do yourself no favors by dismissing the wisdom of people who have seen more than you. Can we pass legislation to insure that our police force protects all Americans regardless of color equally? I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but people have lied to you your whole life. Some of the things you think are true aren’t, and others are utopian dreams that have no connection to reality. Legislatively, and in case law, the duty of police forces to protect Americans is insured to be equal regardless of color, as in the police have no duty to protect anyone. A police officer can watch someone walk up to you with gun in hand as he shouts “you are a dead man” and do nothing but continue to eat his doughnut while he watches the guy shoot you. It doesn’t matter what color you are, or the shooter is, or the cop is. We are all equal. If instead what you had in mind was a system of racial quotas that insured the protection provided to POC was equal to the protection provided to non-POC, then I can only assume that you want to harm POC. Police provide far MORE protection proportionally to Black communities than any other, as evidenced by the number of calls to 911 by race of the person calling in and the police response provided to those calls. What you are suggesting is that you want 911 operators to get the ethnicity of people calling in and if POC have made too many calls to 911 that month then they’ll have to call back next month. have a minimum wage of $15/hr so that they have more money This post is already getting long so I’m not going to dive deeply into monetary theory, but raising the minimum wage does nothing. When it was $3/hour, a minimum wage job was crappy. When it was $6, it was still crappy. At $8, it’s crappy. At $12 or $15 it will be crappy. The number is irrelevant. The worth of an hour’s work is determined by economic factors, and it is such a massive part of the economy that changing minimum wage doesn’t increase the value of an hour of work but instead decreases the purchasing value of the dollar. The worker may have twice as much money but now everything costs twice as much so what the worker can purchase is the same as it always was. The way to increase the standard of living for your population is to make them skilled so they command more than unskilled labor prices. Can we build a national electric vehicle charging network so that people can pay <Less then they pay today> to fuel their vehicles with economical electricity? Who is “we”? If you mean the government, when as the government ever shown they can do anything more economically than industry? If you mean industry, then it is already being built. You may even have a node to that network in your own home. You do also realize that inflation has happened since the last time the federal minimum wage was raised, over a decade ago, right? The minimum wage should be earmarked to inflation so that it goes up as costs rise - but it's not. So workers welfare rises when the minimum wage goes up, then it slowly is eroded over time by inflation, then it goes up again, etc. It should be raised automatically in line with inflation. Doubling the minimum wage does not cause the cost of goods to double overnight. Why? Because not everyone's wages have doubled overnight! There are a lot of people in America that make enough money that their income is not affected much (if at all) by the increase in the minimum wage. Think of it another way. People making $75 an hour as computer programmers are making Ten Times as much money as people making the federal minimum wage of $7.50 an hour. The system as it currently stands is exploitative. They do not work ten times as hard as a minimum wage worker. I believe that they of course should be compensated for the hard work that they put in to becoming a computer programmer, and they should of course make more money then someone working a minimum wage job at McDonalds. But not to that extent. This is what happens when the labor unions are gutted, or when you don't have collective bargaining done at the national level in every industry, like is done in other European countries, where menial workers can at least make enough money to pay the bills. People should both be rewarded for working hard, yet not be penalized to live a marginalized existence below the poverty line. Allowing people to work and earn a living wage is fair, it's reasonable. We have the biggest economy in the world, There is nothing stopping this country from treating everybody with the dignity and respect to earn a living wage.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 26, 2021 12:23:52 GMT -8
Can we build a national electric vehicle charging network so that people can pay <Less then they pay today> to fuel their vehicles with economical electricity? Who is “we”? If you mean the government, when as the government ever shown they can do anything more economically than industry? If you mean industry, then it is already being built. You may even have a node to that network in your own home. What are you talking about? Infrastructure spending is an enormous part of any country becoming a world power. You know, like how our country built a series of canals in New England and the Midwest before the steam engine. Or how our country built a rail system that connected sea to shining sea. Or when Hoover tamed the Colorado River to provide the Southwest with power and water. Or when we built an Interstate Highway System so that we could drive from SD to Maine. That is what is so short-sighted about the Republican mindset these days. Infrastructure spending is what allows us to live our day to day lives. It provides us with power, roads, air conditioning, running water. It should be a decidedly non-partisan issue. Yet the Republican party represents Coal and Oil corporations. So building a network of electric vehicle charging stations, that will allow Americans to run their vehicles on cheap electricity, and will decrease smog, reduce premature infant mortality due to pollution reduce asthma rates, is somehow a partisan issue. Because the Republican party is bought by the Oil industries who will see the price of gasoline drop as more and more people adopt electric vehicles.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 26, 2021 12:45:22 GMT -8
Basically, their healthcare system isn't BOUGHT by the Healthcare Industry. You’ve got a nugget of truth in that one. Indeed out healthcare system was bought by the Healthcare Industry when Obama sold it to them by pushing through the Affordable Care Act written by insurance executive Liz Fowler. The problem with top-down control of an economic segment is that all the moneyed interests need to do is buy the top in order to control everything, but Obama did get a lot of money for Democrat causes if that makes you feel better about it. America was the 'land of opportunity' - well maybe it used to be, when public college tuition was affordable. You mean back before the government guaranteed student loans and had as large a social welfare state? Hmmmm…that is something to think about. It is almost as if subsidizing something balloons the thing being subsidized. You're telling me that we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, that prices will just go up an it will cause inflation, and that you don't really want to go into monetary theory with me And yet you are talking to someone who majored in Economics, who is a graduate student, who studied the elasticity of wages, where the elasticity of minimum wage is rather low, meaning that very little job loss will actually occur from a raise in minimum wages. Nice dodge, but I never said anything about elasticity or job losses. What I said was that raising the minimum wage was inflationary. Try arguing against my actual points, econ major. Universal basic income is also a great answer. Then you don't have any (miniscule) job losses that you would see with a minimum wage increase. You think? Tell me where UBI has ever worked.
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Post by azson on Jan 26, 2021 12:50:41 GMT -8
LMAO This board is always good for hilarious takes from duopolist fanboys & fangirls of both parties. We have 2 almost identical parties with 2 polarized groups of fanbots due to both parties' propaganda dividing you into paranoid ignorance. I can't wait until the pandemic is over so I can move to a country that isn't 2nd worst in the developed world to raise a family. If you truly think that I can only speculate that you've been paying more attention to your bong or lava-lamp than current events over the past four years.
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Post by azson on Jan 26, 2021 12:57:56 GMT -8
We did have 2 almost identical parties. The world looking in can't tell the difference between a Classical Liberal and a Koch-backed Conservative, but it is looking like it could be a new day. Apparently it has been long enough since the last time someone tried true socialism only to discover it always leads to abject poverty and a pile of dead bodies that they've forgotten, but I'm not too worried. Socialists are terrible at running an economy and at least since FDR our system of government dumps politicians every time there is an economic downturn. Good luck to you in your search for a workers paradise. Even China has ditched Socialism as a dead end idea although they hilariously still call themselves Communist. Socialism seems to be working just fine in Europe. High standards of living, better healthcare and lifespan then the US, better public education, better air quality, more inter-generational mobility between classes. More opportunity. Basically, what the "American Dream" purports to be. Prioritizing people over industry and money, what a concept! Personally, I prefer the -ism that prioritizes people (social)ism, over wealth (capital)ism "Not that I condone fascism; or any ism for that matter. Isms, in my opinion, are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, 'I don’t believe in ‘Beatles’, I just believe in me.' Good point there. After all, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus, I’d still have to bum rides off of people."
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Post by azson on Jan 26, 2021 13:00:26 GMT -8
😆 There's decades of data that takes a dump on your condescension. It's actually pretty funny that you can maintain that smug tone while people who've read data just laugh. Actually, I feel like I was lied to in the 90's and 2000's when moderates told us that social policies were too expensive, that America had 'the best healthcare system in the world' - when really that was code for 'best healthcare system in the world for wealthy people, but worse quality of care overall then almost all of the first world countries, because the private health care system is not good if you aren't well off', that America has a lower life expectancy then European countries even though they have higher rates of smoking, because they have socialized medicine. Japan pays HALF per capita of what we pay for healthcare, and they have the Best Healthcare System In The World, because they have strict costs on healthcare procedures and prescription drugs. Basically, their healthcare system isn't BOUGHT by the Healthcare Industry. that America was the 'land of opportunity' - well maybe it used to be, when public college tuition was affordable. Although really, back then it was the land of opportunity if you were White. Not if you were black, or brown, because then you got thrown in jail for 10 years for being in possession of weed. Or you were discriminated against by employers. Or (back in the 50's, pre civil rights movement), you were ineligible to get a mortgage in certain neighborhoods if you weren't white. Making it hard to pass on generational wealth. Now you look at tuition today, and you look at socialist Europe where tuition is free, and you have a better educated workforce. And there is more class mobility. But in America there is not. And it seems like those same black and brown people, who were ineligible to get mortgages, who have far less generational wealth, now are suffering from insane college education prices, and that the lack of social programs in the US is just another way to keep minorities poor in America. You're telling me that we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, that prices will just go up an it will cause inflation, and that you don't really want to go into monetary theory with me And yet you are talking to someone who majored in Economics, who is a graduate student, who studied the elasticity of wages, where the elasticity of minimum wage is rather low, meaning that very little job loss will actually occur from a raise in minimum wages. Meanwhile nobody answers me when I ask if they would want to live off of minimum wage, or if they would want their children to live off of minimum wage. You don't like minimum wage? Fine. Universal basic income is also a great answer. Then you don't have any (miniscule) job losses that you would see with a minimum wage increase. Progressives support that. Oh but wait, the conservatives don't want to increase taxes to pay for it, or trim the defense budget to pay for it. Right. But wait, the progressives want to offer universal college, and universal pre-K, to raise the marginal productivity of workers so that they can earn more money! Oh but wait, the conservatives don't support that either. Hmm. It sounds more and more like the conservatives just don't support the welfare of (people)
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 26, 2021 13:26:44 GMT -8
It should be raised automatically in line with inflation. You want to peg a thing that is inflationary to inflation. Your idea is to automatically raise minimum wage which automatically raises inflation which would automatically raise minimum wage which would automatically raise inflation, etc. …and you don’t understand why this hasn’t already been done? The system as it currently stands is exploitative. They do not work ten times as hard as a minimum wage worker. I believe that they of course should be compensated for the hard work that they put in to becoming a computer programmer... Marxist labor theory of value? Gawd. How hard someone works has nothing to do with the value of that work. My favorite takedown of this piece of idiocy was written in 1959 by Robert A Heinlein:
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Post by sdsustoner on Jan 28, 2021 5:54:05 GMT -8
LMAO This board is always good for hilarious takes from duopolist fanboys & fangirls of both parties. We have 2 almost identical parties with 2 polarized groups of fanbots due to both parties' propaganda dividing you into paranoid ignorance. I can't wait until the pandemic is over so I can move to a country that isn't 2nd worst in the developed world to raise a family. If you truly think that I can only speculate that you've been paying more attention to your bong or lava-lamp than current events over the past four years. As you ironically demonstrate your inability to separate policy from propaganda. Thanks for the laughs at ya as you unwittingly performed the demonstration portion of my post.
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