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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 25, 2021 0:44:15 GMT -8
So you're telling me that Trump went to all this trouble to NOT extend his term illegally, is that what you're saying? You're saying that he didn't intend, at all, to cancel Biden's properly elected term and replace him, is that correct? Trump went to all the trouble listed in the original post just to, what? Have a tantrum and scare people?? In the early days of January my Mom called asking if Pence could overturn the Electoral College on the 6th. Apparently she had a Facebook friend who was convinced that was going to happen. I told her they were setting themselves up for a serious let down because there was no mechanism for that to happen. Apparently my Mom’s Facebook friend wasn’t the only one who believed that. It was BS misinformation that inflamed a crowd into the events we witnessed on January 6th. The US Constitution is very clear that the states choose the President and the proceeding on the 6th was a glorified envelope opening ceremony. If everyone had known how the system actually worked the Capitol riot likely would have never happened. You can blame whomever you like for that, and I know who you blame, but… It's funny re-reading this response, when we now know that Trump hired lawyers to come up with a legal strategy under which Pence COULD throw out the election results for the disputed states, neither candidate would then have 270 Electoral votes, and it would go to the House to pick the next President. And since the House had a Republican majority, that would have given Trump the current term even though Biden really won the election. The ONLY thing that prevented that from happening was Pence's fear of going too far. He wanted to do it, but saw that if the plot failed somehow he would then be complicit in a coup, and could face serious consequences. He even called Dan Quayle and asked him if he could think of a way that Pence could get away with throwing out those disputed states' results, but Quayle repeatedly and adamantly said, "NO," so Pence eventually, and quite reluctantly, did the right thing. But he didn't want to, and Trump's lawyers had that plan in place FOR January 6th. So it turns out it wasn't, "B.S. misinformation," after all. It was a very real plan that had been worked up weeks in advance. The details have come out. It was a very real soft coup attempt. But since the non-violent soft coup didn't work, they went with Plan B. Send the mob down to the Capitol to stop the certification of the election. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 10, 2021 20:20:19 GMT -8
It's now come to light via documents from the January 6th committee that Trump met with organizers of the "rally" on January 4th. Direct coordination, in the private dining room at the White House. Just scratching the surface here, obviously.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 15, 2021 10:13:04 GMT -8
"The texts are coming from inside the House."
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Post by azson on Dec 15, 2021 12:19:13 GMT -8
"The texts are coming from inside the House." That scene freaked the F out of me as a kid. This scares me more. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 15, 2021 13:25:48 GMT -8
The fact nobody here is really talking about it is strange. This is the biggest story in years - You have a coordinated effort by sitting members of Congress, in conjunction with the former president of the United States orchestrating a coup to overthrow an election. This happens in Yemen, Syria, Somalia...failed states. Not the United States.
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Post by azson on Dec 15, 2021 13:46:26 GMT -8
The fact nobody here is really talking about it is strange. This is the biggest story in years - You have a coordinated effort by sitting members of Congress, in conjunction with the former president of the United States orchestrating a coup to overthrow an election. This happens in Yemen, Syria, Somalia...failed states. Not the United States. But...Biden...and Newsom being a mask Nazi...and high gas prices! |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Dec 15, 2021 14:15:57 GMT -8
The fact nobody here is really talking about it is strange. This is the biggest story in years - You have a coordinated effort by sitting members of Congress, in conjunction with the former president of the United States orchestrating a coup to overthrow an election. This happens in Yemen, Syria, Somalia...failed states. Not the United States. That's why when I saw the Orange MAGAt on TV my response was: " Si Presidente"! |
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Post by azson on Dec 15, 2021 14:25:57 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 15, 2021 20:59:03 GMT -8
It's ironic that William was so hell-bent against labeling racism or calling people in the GOP racist. There was a bill that was voted today on Islamaphobia - Exactly zero Republicans voted for it.
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Post by azson on Jan 6, 2022 15:16:02 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 6, 2022 21:10:20 GMT -8
It's ironic that William was so hell-bent against labeling racism or calling people in the GOP racist. There was a bill that was voted today on Islamaphobia - Exactly zero Republicans voted for it. I'm not familiar with the language of that bill. Question: Is there a possibility that votes against the bill are based on sincere disagreements with its provisions, or is the one and only reason for voting "no" that the no votes came from people who are islamophobic? WLR |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 6, 2022 21:32:16 GMT -8
It's ironic that William was so hell-bent against labeling racism or calling people in the GOP racist. There was a bill that was voted today on Islamaphobia - Exactly zero Republicans voted for it. I'm not familiar with the language of that bill. Question: Is there a possibility that votes against the bill are based on sincere disagreements with its provisions, or is the one and only reason for voting "no" that the no votes came from people who are islamophobic? WLR Islamophobia is openly endorsed in the party. And excused. For context: "What's happening? I look to my left, and there she is: Ilhan Omar,” Boebert said. “And I said, well, she doesn't have a backpack, we should be fine.” Boebert’s audience can be heard on the video clapping and cheering in approval before she continued her anti-Muslim riff. “So we only had one floor to go,” Boebert added. “I said, ‘Oh look, the jihad squad decided to show up for work today." Boebert hasn't even been publicly criticized by anyone in her own party for the remarks. But Kevin McCarthy is sure worried about Twitter shouting down "free speech." The GOP is a party of sycophants, beholden to the former president. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 6, 2022 23:50:33 GMT -8
I'm not familiar with the language of that bill. Question: Is there a possibility that votes against the bill are based on sincere disagreements with its provisions, or is the one and only reason for voting "no" that the no votes came from people who are islamophobic? WLR Islamophobia is openly endorsed in the party. And excused. For context: "What's happening? I look to my left, and there she is: Ilhan Omar,” Boebert said. “And I said, well, she doesn't have a backpack, we should be fine.” Boebert’s audience can be heard on the video clapping and cheering in approval before she continued her anti-Muslim riff. “So we only had one floor to go,” Boebert added. “I said, ‘Oh look, the jihad squad decided to show up for work today." Boebert hasn't even been publicly criticized by anyone in her own party for the remarks. But Kevin McCarthy is sure worried about Twitter shouting down "free speech." The GOP is a party of sycophants, beholden to the former president. So I guess that, in your opinion, it is not possible that opposition to this bill might be caused by anything other than islamophobia. As I said, I'm not familiar with the specifics of the bill in question. I would have to read it, and in addition hear what its opponents have to say, before I could take a stand on this proposed legislation. I surely hope that the fact that I need to do some research on this question before being in favor or in opposition does not automatically label me as a bigot. WLR |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 7, 2022 1:08:35 GMT -8
Islamophobia is openly endorsed in the party. And excused. For context: "What's happening? I look to my left, and there she is: Ilhan Omar,” Boebert said. “And I said, well, she doesn't have a backpack, we should be fine.” Boebert’s audience can be heard on the video clapping and cheering in approval before she continued her anti-Muslim riff. “So we only had one floor to go,” Boebert added. “I said, ‘Oh look, the jihad squad decided to show up for work today." Boebert hasn't even been publicly criticized by anyone in her own party for the remarks. But Kevin McCarthy is sure worried about Twitter shouting down "free speech." The GOP is a party of sycophants, beholden to the former president. So I guess that, in your opinion, it is not possible that opposition to this bill might be caused by anything other than islamophobia. As I said, I'm not familiar with the specifics of the bill in question. I would have to read it, and in addition hear what its opponents have to say, before I could take a stand on this proposed legislation. I surely hope that the fact that I need to do some research on this question before being in favor or in opposition does not automatically label me as a bigot. WLR To some, it will, unfortunately. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 7, 2022 9:20:50 GMT -8
So I guess that, in your opinion, it is not possible that opposition to this bill might be caused by anything other than islamophobia. As I said, I'm not familiar with the specifics of the bill in question. I would have to read it, and in addition hear what its opponents have to say, before I could take a stand on this proposed legislation. I surely hope that the fact that I need to do some research on this question before being in favor or in opposition does not automatically label me as a bigot. WLR To some, it will, unfortunately. Because there's absolutely no logical reason to be opposed to open racism? Here's the text of the bill. It's not hard to find. www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5665The bigger issue is not the bill itself, as William completely missed the mark. The bigger issue is the pervasive nature of this rhetoric that is widespread in the GOP. But we can continue to keep living with our heads in the sand if that's more convenient. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 7, 2022 13:30:19 GMT -8
Thanks Ryan, you were spot on.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 7, 2022 13:31:54 GMT -8
We need to get this thread back on track and potentially start one about racism. JMO
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 7, 2022 14:08:24 GMT -8
We need to get this thread back on track and potentially start one about racism. JMO It's all genuinely interconnected - Nobody wants to comment on the head of the party (Trump) or those who have seemingly hitched their wagon to Trump (Gaetz, McCarthy, Boebert, Cawthorn, Greene) or their roles in the insurrection. We have a thread going about vaccination mandates that is seemingly more popular than an actual attack against a body of Congress. An actual attack against a democratic election, in which the former White House Chief of Staff sought to get a new group of electors to ratify a different result that would have seen Trump retain the presidency. We have members that are STILL IN CONGRESS who knowingly aided in this effort. But yes, let's pretend all is fine. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 7, 2022 14:38:27 GMT -8
We need to get this thread back on track and potentially start one about racism. JMO It's all genuinely interconnected - Nobody wants to comment on the head of the party (Trump) or those who have seemingly hitched their wagon to Trump (Gaetz, McCarthy, Boebert, Cawthorn, Greene) or their roles in the insurrection. We have a thread going about vaccination mandates that is seemingly more popular than an actual attack against a body of Congress. An actual attack against a democratic election, in which the former White House Chief of Staff sought to get a new group of electors to ratify a different result that would have seen Trump retain the presidency. We have members that are STILL IN CONGRESS who knowingly aided in this effort. But yes, let's pretend all is fine. But we could say some of the insurrectionists were racists but not all of them. Trumpism and Islamophobia are new, but systemic racism is old and deeply rooted. We may or may not have work to do depending upon your view. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 8, 2022 9:39:11 GMT -8
The real test in the party will take place if the 14th Amendment gets invoked to bar Trump from running for office again. The two-sided hypocrisy from people like Rubio, McCarthy, Ted Cruz and others will be tested to see where their loyalties really lie. I think I know the answer, sadly.
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