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Post by aztecryan on Feb 1, 2021 8:55:58 GMT -8
Thanks QAnon but maybe you should have included that these were the standing orders for ALL of the deployments for ALL of the "protests" in the capitol over the past year. Except they weren't. When BLM protested the National Guard was in full tactical gear. And they were on the steps. A lot of them. And, unlike the BLM protest, the Trump insurrectionists were coming well armed. There were literally thousands of posts online with people coordinating who was bringing weapons and what their strategy would be. There was a clear and present danger. Oh, that's right. Trump gutted the department that analyzed online threats two months before the election, so while some in the FBI and Homeland Security knew about the threats, it wasn't as widely known or analyzed as it should have been. He has spin for everything. Not a good use of energy to try and establish rational thought. Everyone knows Trump was watching this unfold on TV with excitement....there's video of it. Everyone knows Michael Flynn's brother was in on the call, there's multiple confirmations of it. There is no bar where Republicans in the Senate will actually vote to convict this man, as he is the party now.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 1, 2021 9:02:11 GMT -8
The only person with the authority to approve or deny this order was Donald Trump So you're saying Donald Trump was the one who made the decision to deploy the District of Columbia National Guard to support of the Capitol Police in response to the planned demonstration on January 6, 2021, and it had to be him who authorized this support because he was the "only person with the authority to approve or deny this order".
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 1, 2021 9:40:21 GMT -8
Except they weren't. When BLM protested the National Guard was in full tactical gear. And they were on the steps. A lot of them. And, unlike the BLM protest, the Trump insurrectionists were coming well armed. There were literally thousands of posts online with people coordinating who was bringing weapons and what their strategy would be. There was a clear and present danger. Oh, that's right. Trump gutted the department that analyzed online threats two months before the election, so while some in the FBI and Homeland Security knew about the threats, it wasn't as widely known or analyzed as it should have been. He has spin for everything. Not a good use of energy to try and establish rational thought. Everyone knows Trump was watching this unfold on TV with excitement....there's video of it. Everyone knows Michael Flynn's brother was in on the call, there's multiple confirmations of it. There is no bar where Republicans in the Senate will actually vote to convict this man, as he is the party now. We are dealing with a cult here.
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 1, 2021 9:46:03 GMT -8
Except they weren't. When BLM protested the National Guard was in full tactical gear. And they were on the steps. A lot of them. And, unlike the BLM protest, the Trump insurrectionists were coming well armed. There were literally thousands of posts online with people coordinating who was bringing weapons and what their strategy would be. There was a clear and present danger. Oh, that's right. Trump gutted the department that analyzed online threats two months before the election, so while some in the FBI and Homeland Security knew about the threats, it wasn't as widely known or analyzed as it should have been. He has spin for everything. Not a good use of energy to try and establish rational thought. Everyone knows Trump was watching this unfold on TV with excitement....there's video of it. Everyone knows Michael Flynn's brother was in on the call, there's multiple confirmations of it. There is no bar where Republicans in the Senate will actually vote to convict this man, as he is the party now. If you came down hard on the QAnon / maga nut jobs that shut down the vaccine facility in LA yesterday for almost an hour, Alometer would come to their defense. Predictably citing "free speech". That's not taking into account keeping people over 65, some disabled from getting vaccinated. If they lost even one dose due to instability and timing, those nuts should all be thrown in jail. One of their classic signs "Turn back! You are a lab animal".
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 1, 2021 10:02:17 GMT -8
The only person with the authority to approve or deny this order was Donald Trump So you're saying Donald Trump was the one who made the decision to deploy the District of Columbia National Guard to support of the Capitol Police in response to the planned demonstration on January 6, 2021, and it had to be him who authorized this support because he was the "only person with the authority to approve or deny this order". No, Mike Pence made the call after Trump refused to do so for hours.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 1, 2021 10:31:52 GMT -8
Except they weren't. When BLM protested the National Guard was in full tactical gear. Nothing in that memo says the National Guard couldn't wear tactical gear. The standing orders were identical. You are making things up. Really?? The last part of that first section said, point blank, that they couldn't wear body armor or helmets - which they DID wear during the BLM protests. Care to revise your statement?
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 1, 2021 11:03:21 GMT -8
Nothing in that memo says the National Guard couldn't wear tactical gear. The standing orders were identical. You are making things up. Really?? The last part of that first section said, point blank, that they couldn't wear body armor or helmets - which they DID wear during the BLM protests. Care to revise your statement? Care to show a picture of the National Guard and not the Capitol Police in those incidents to go along with your story, Mr. Storyteller?
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 1, 2021 11:09:54 GMT -8
So you're saying Donald Trump was the one who made the decision to deploy the District of Columbia National Guard to support of the Capitol Police in response to the planned demonstration on January 6, 2021, and it had to be him who authorized this support because he was the "only person with the authority to approve or deny this order". No, Mike Pence made the call after Trump refused to do so for hours. Yes. What you just now wrote is well established fact and that is my point. Aztec Panther is writing cuckoo-bird conspiracy nonsense that falsifies itself.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 1, 2021 11:52:04 GMT -8
No, Mike Pence made the call after Trump refused to do so for hours. Yes. What you just now wrote is well established fact and that is my point. Aztec Panther is writing cuckoo-bird conspiracy nonsense that falsifies itself. He isn't. We know Trump was derelict in his duty. Some of us came to grips with it immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 11:54:52 GMT -8
He has spin for everything. Not a good use of energy to try and establish rational thought. Everyone knows Trump was watching this unfold on TV with excitement....there's video of it. Everyone knows Michael Flynn's brother was in on the call, there's multiple confirmations of it. There is no bar where Republicans in the Senate will actually vote to convict this man, as he is the party now. If you came down hard on the QAnon / maga nut jobs that shut down the vaccine facility in LA yesterday for almost an hour, Alometer would come to their defense. Predictably citing "free speech". That's not taking into account keeping people over 65, some disabled from getting vaccinated. If they lost even one dose due to instability and timing, those nuts should all be thrown in jail. One of their classic signs "Turn back! You are a lab animal". How disturbing was that? Shame on those people. It made me incredibly angry to see.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 1, 2021 12:06:46 GMT -8
If you came down hard on the QAnon / maga nut jobs that shut down the vaccine facility in LA yesterday for almost an hour, Alometer would come to their defense. Predictably citing "free speech". That's not taking into account keeping people over 65, some disabled from getting vaccinated. If they lost even one dose due to instability and timing, those nuts should all be thrown in jail. One of their classic signs "Turn back! You are a lab animal". How disturbing was that? Shame on those people. It made me incredibly angry to see. Anti-vaxxers are more concerned with interfering with the ability of others to take a vaccine than refusing it themselves.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 1, 2021 12:14:54 GMT -8
Really?? The last part of that first section said, point blank, that they couldn't wear body armor or helmets - which they DID wear during the BLM protests. Care to revise your statement? Care to show a picture of the National Guard and not the Capitol Police in those incidents to go along with your story, Mr. Storyteller?
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 1, 2021 12:29:47 GMT -8
Yes. What you just now wrote is well established fact and that is my point. Aztec Panther is writing cuckoo-bird conspiracy nonsense that falsifies itself. He isn't. We know Trump was derelict in his duty. Some of us came to grips with it immediately. Which is it Ryan? Did Trump authorize the deployment of the National Guard on January 4 as Aztec Panther claimed? Or are you and I correct that Trump did not bring in the National Guard with that decision being made by other people? Either you and I are correct or Aztec Panther is correct. Trump cannot have both given the order and not given the order. The only person with the authority to approve or deny this order was Donald Trump
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 1, 2021 12:35:04 GMT -8
Care to show a picture of the National Guard and not the Capitol Police in those incidents to go along with your story, Mr. Storyteller? I stand corrected, and you have my apology. Those do indeed appear to be National Guard troops wearing helmets and if not body armor than at least tactical plate carriers capable of carrying body armor. The troops are noticeably unarmed but that is not what you were claiming and I was incorrect.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 1, 2021 13:47:03 GMT -8
I stand corrected, and you have my apology. Those do indeed appear to be National Guard troops wearing helmets and if not body armor than at least tactical plate carriers capable of carrying body armor. The troops are noticeably unarmed but that is not what you were claiming and I was incorrect. And look at how many of them there are. BLM didn't even threaten Congress on any internet sites the way Trump supporters did on Parler and other outlets. If they had been stationed like that at the Capitol, with that same gear, the insurrectionists would have turned and walked away. Trump and his lackeys at the Department of Defense made sure the Capitol was wide open on 1/06. The security force there was literally at the minimum level possible - as if it were any ordinary day. Which, even without the Riot/Protest/Rally it wasn't. It was both houses of Congress AND the VP in the same room at the same time. An easy target. When that happens, they usually double or triple security. Without the threat of that, "Protest." There was collusion here. Trump FIRED the Secretary of Defense and replaced him with a personal lackey. That lackey then made sure that the security was almost non-existent. They picked the, "Protest," date at least 6 weeks in advance. Trump gutted the Homeland Security department that investigates evidence of threats online. This wasn't just something that spontaneously happened. It was planned.
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 1, 2021 15:58:09 GMT -8
I stand corrected, and you have my apology. Those do indeed appear to be National Guard troops wearing helmets and if not body armor than at least tactical plate carriers capable of carrying body armor. The troops are noticeably unarmed but that is not what you were claiming and I was incorrect. And look at how many of them there are. BLM didn't even threaten Congress on any internet sites the way Trump supporters did on Parler and other outlets. If they had been stationed like that at the Capitol, with that same gear, the insurrectionists would have turned and walked away. Trump and his lackeys at the Department of Defense made sure the Capitol was wide open on 1/06. The security force there was literally at the minimum level possible - as if it were any ordinary day. Which, even without the Riot/Protest/Rally it wasn't. It was both houses of Congress AND the VP in the same room at the same time. An easy target. When that happens, they usually double or triple security. Without the threat of that, "Protest." There was collusion here. Trump FIRED the Secretary of Defense and replaced him with a personal lackey. That lackey then made sure that the security was almost non-existent. They picked the, "Protest," date at least 6 weeks in advance. Trump gutted the Homeland Security department that investigates evidence of threats online. This wasn't just something that spontaneously happened. It was planned. After looking at that picture, it doesn't seem like it could be anything else.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 1, 2021 18:48:12 GMT -8
Care to show a picture of the National Guard and not the Capitol Police in those incidents to go along with your story, Mr. Storyteller? To be truthful...we still don't know who or what organization those guys were from: Unidentified Federal Police Prompt Fears Amid Protests in Washington"WASHINGTON — The Trump administration’s aggressive deployment of officers donning riot gear with no identifiable markings has increased tensions with protesters, raised the specter of a “secret police” force and prompted Speaker Nancy Pelosi to demand that President Trump identify the federal forces he has put on the streets of the capital." “ The United States would normally condemn this tactic if used by dictators of other countries, and its use here directly threatens our democracy,” Mr. Murphy said. “Americans have a right to know who is patrolling their streets, and to have recourse if their massive power is misused.” www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/us/politics/unidentified-police-protests.html
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 7, 2021 0:33:01 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 7, 2021 8:29:59 GMT -8
The FBI has a comprehensive list of all cell phone signals in the Capitol during the attack. Members of Congress, staffers, police and the rioters. It's time to expose some of the connections between Boebert, Greene and other members to the insurrectionists so they can be removed from their duties. And yes, we already knew that Trump campaign money was used to fund the event - The iceberg is going to be pretty large here.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 7, 2021 10:21:24 GMT -8
Is it true that the National Guard was asked to deploy to the Capitol Building, but it took 3 hours for the Pentagon to approve it? That was the issue?
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