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Post by hoobs on Nov 6, 2020 9:32:48 GMT -8
I agree with all except for this. What I learned most, above all, over the past four years is that a scary amount of the population is still divisive, hateful and racist. Look no further than some on this poli-board. I get what you're saying - But the fuel on the daily fire will not be there. Eventually, the bravado from them will fade. Depends on how the Republican machine responds. Does the party allow Trump (& those who would be his 'disciples') to contuinue to run the party... or will reasonable, moral, "normal" Republicans assert themselves as new leaders of the party? Pat Toomey & Ron Johnson have stood up and repudiated Trump's filth (ok, my word not theirs) but I have a feeling that has more to do with having to stand for election in 2022 than it is them finding a moral backbone. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 9:33:54 GMT -8
What I learned most, above all, over the past four years is that a scary amount of the population is still divisive, hateful and racist. There are for sure racist people but the non-racists outnumber them. Look no further than the battle in California over Prop 16. It got 43.9% support. 43.9% of voters in California wanted the state government to be able to look at a person's skin and treat them differently based on it. 43.9% of voters in California are racist. The bright side is that 56.1% of voters rejected the racism of the 43.9%. We are not where we need to be but we are moving in that direction. Lol. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 9:34:57 GMT -8
I get what you're saying - But the fuel on the daily fire will not be there. Eventually, the bravado from them will fade. Depends on how the Republican machine responds. Does the party allow Trump (& those who would be his 'disciples') to contuinue to run the party... or will reasonable, moral, "normal" Republicans assert themselves as new leaders of the party? Pat Toomey & Ron Johnson have stood up and repudiated Trump's filth (ok, my word not theirs) but I have a feeling that has more to do with having to stand for election in 2022 than it is them finding a moral backbone. Hopefully, both Senate races in Georgia flip and it becomes a 50/50 with the tiebreaker. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 6, 2020 9:47:02 GMT -8
That is the story being given on the Decision Desk HQ graphics but that explanation of a typo at Decision Desk HQ wouldn’t explain why the jump was corroborated in the FiveThirtyEight timeline which doesn’t have any affiliation at all with Decision Desk HQ. Why would the same statistical jump be shown by two independent tracking organizations getting their data from the state if the source of the statistical jump wasn’t in the data from the state? There are some other oddities that don’t look right in the data but I’m not going to get into it because I think Trump legitimately lost and we’d be getting off into conspiracy theory category. I just think this election needed perfect optics and this odd glitch or whatever was unfortunate. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 6, 2020 10:10:21 GMT -8
his social division and marginalization of minorities is why he went down in flames. His outreach to minorities nearly got him reelected. Trump gained vote share in every minority group across the board. Black and Hispanic voters apparently appreciated that under Trump their employment and wage growth had reached historic highs. Apparently minority voters were tired of being told the color of their skin meant they owed their vote to the Democrats. Trump's share of the minority vote is the highest for any GOP Presidential candidate in the past 60 years. Trump went down in flames because he lost share as compared to 2016 with White Men. According to all of the internals, it was White Men abandoning Trump that caused Trump to lose this election. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 10:37:08 GMT -8
Pennsylvania's gap continues to widen. The soon-to-be president-elect is addressing the nation tonight.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 6, 2020 10:41:27 GMT -8
Depends on how the Republican machine responds. Does the party allow Trump (& those who would be his 'disciples') to contuinue to run the party... or will reasonable, moral, "normal" Republicans assert themselves as new leaders of the party? Pat Toomey & Ron Johnson have stood up and repudiated Trump's filth (ok, my word not theirs) but I have a feeling that has more to do with having to stand for election in 2022 than it is them finding a moral backbone. Hopefully, both Senate races in Georgia flip and it becomes a 50/50 with the tiebreaker. It's safe to say that if both senate races in Georgia go to runoffs (as they are expected to do), they will be the most expensive runoffs in the history of American politics. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 10:44:26 GMT -8
his social division and marginalization of minorities is why he went down in flames. His outreach to minorities nearly got him reelected. Trump gained vote share in every minority group across the board. Black and Hispanic voters apparently appreciated that under Trump their employment and wage growth had reached historic highs. Apparently minority voters were tired of being told the color of their skin meant they owed their vote to the Democrats. Trump's share of the minority vote is the highest for any GOP Presidential candidate in the past 60 years. Trump went down in flames because he lost share as compared to 2016 with White Men. According to all of the internals, it was White Men abandoning Trump that caused Trump to lose this election. He certainly didn't seem to bother the mostly white male crowds at his rallies in the rust belt and in Arizona. With the mail-in (actually mail-out) balloting, what demographic groups would logically generate the largest amount of excess mail-in ballots? As being combined for about 70% of the population, it would clearly be white males and females. Excess ballots collected, as available, and fraudulently filled out or illegally harvested by Democrat activists wherever they live (Unions are ubiquitous) and, as they trickled in from all over, may well be the difference we are talking about now. And I think it is impossible to put that toothpaste back in the tube. And the Democrats know it. If the Democrats have their way, I fear this is the way elections will be handled for the foreseeable future given the results. High turn outs, low confidence, one party control. Stacking the Senate and SCOTUS will come when they are able to deliver it. We are on path to slowly become Amerizuela. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 11:44:46 GMT -8
Hopefully, both Senate races in Georgia flip and it becomes a 50/50 with the tiebreaker. It's safe to say that if both senate races in Georgia go to runoffs (as they are expected to do), they will be the most expensive runoffs in the history of American politics. Safe bet. Perdue is a scumbag, so it would be nice to knock that guy out of Congress. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 6, 2020 13:38:45 GMT -8
Looks like Trump will win re-election. Congratulations to him. Trump was thinking the same thing. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 14:17:24 GMT -8
Looks like Trump will win re-election. Congratulations to him. Trump was thinking the same thing. Glad I was wrong. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 6, 2020 14:54:21 GMT -8
It's safe to say that if both senate races in Georgia go to runoffs (as they are expected to do), they will be the most expensive runoffs in the history of American politics. Safe bet. Perdue is a scumbag, so it would be nice to knock that guy out of Congress. There is a chance the Dems are going to lose the Senate race in Michigan. Antrim County discovered a software glitch that switched Republican votes to Democrat. There are only 17,000 votes in Antrim County and the glitch made a swing of 6,000 votes. Those 6,000 switched votes by themselves don't mean much, but after a quick investigation it has been determined that 42 counties in Michigan use the same software that was switching Republican votes to Democrats. It won't matter for Trump but the Michigan Senate race was so close that hand-counting the other 41 counties, if they show the same rate of vote switching, will be enough to flip the Senate race to James. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 6, 2020 14:56:28 GMT -8
Trump was thinking the same thing. Glad I was wrong. Curious, you said that you don't particularly care for Biden, and I know you wanted Biden over the alternative, but are you worried about what might happen to this country under him? If it may trend to the extreme? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 14:56:30 GMT -8
Safe bet. Perdue is a scumbag, so it would be nice to knock that guy out of Congress. There is a chance the Dems are going to lose the Senate race in Michigan. Antrim County discovered a software glitch that switched Republican votes to Democrat. There are only 17,000 votes in Antrim County and the glitch made a swing of 6,000 votes. Those 6,000 switched votes by themselves don't mean much, but after a quick investigation it has been determined that 42 counties in Michigan use the same software that was switching Republican votes to Democrats. It won't matter for Trump but the Michigan Senate race was so close that hand-counting the other 41 counties, if they show the same rate of vote switching, will be enough to flip the Senate race to James. Stop quoting Robby Starbuck. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 14:59:47 GMT -8
Curious, you said that you don't particularly care for Biden, and I know you wanted Biden over the alternative, but are you worried about what might happen to this country under him? If it may trend to the extreme? What extreme? Progressive, forward-thinking ideology? No. I support M4A, for example. I'll take that over the undermining of the justice system, rampant white nationalism, dangerous conspiracy theories and overall hatred, while dealing with mass unemployment, flat wages and death. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 6, 2020 15:02:21 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 15:03:18 GMT -8
Hate to burst your bubble, but it's days old and done. Again, stop believing everything you hear from bull$#!+ sources. You just look foolish in the end. He lost. It's over. Your ties to him are dead now. Move on. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 6, 2020 15:14:09 GMT -8
Curious, you said that you don't particularly care for Biden, and I know you wanted Biden over the alternative, but are you worried about what might happen to this country under him? If it may trend to the extreme? What extreme? Progressive, forward-thinking ideology? No. I support M4A, for example. I'll take that over the undermining of the justice system, rampant white nationalism, dangerous conspiracy theories and overall hatred, while dealing with mass unemployment, flat wages and death. No, I'm talking about towards a socialist society. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 6, 2020 15:15:41 GMT -8
Hate to burst your bubble, but it's days old and done. Again, stop believing everything you hear from bull$#!+ sources. You just look foolish in the end. He lost. It's over. Your ties to him are dead now. Move on. Did you read the story you just linked to? Yes, the Antrim votes where hand-counted, a 6,000 vote differential was found, and the correct numbers were relayed to the state. The Antrim number were fixed days ago, but in your fact-check article did you see a single word about the investigation into the other counties also using the software? I didn't. That investigation is being conducted to discover how widespread the issue is, and as far as I can tell that answer is not yet known. If you have more information showing that investigation into the other counties using that software came up clean, please post it. As of 6:34 this morning the Detroit Free Press is reporting the issue is still being investigated. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 15:18:06 GMT -8
What extreme? Progressive, forward-thinking ideology? No. I support M4A, for example. I'll take that over the undermining of the justice system, rampant white nationalism, dangerous conspiracy theories and overall hatred, while dealing with mass unemployment, flat wages and death. No, I'm talking about towards a socialist society. Doesn't concern me. Joe Biden is not a socialist. |
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