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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 10:45:28 GMT -8
We know. Believe me, we know. But his emails is the new Benghazi. Nobody cares. What do you know? About the Biden Corruption and that nobody (on the left anyhow) cares? To cite a well known phrase "What difference, at this point, does it make?" I know what your opinion on the subject is. It really doesn't make a difference because we've already dealt with massive levels of corruption for the past 4 years. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 10:53:05 GMT -8
Clearly, I'm referring to the entirety of the picture - Not cherrypicked, falsely illustrated data by the right-wingers. To a man/woman, they ran with 33% quarterly growth like it was factual. Same as the bogus jobs report that came out in August. While there are signs of economic recovery, it's nowhere near a complete picture. Unemployment is still rampant, people are broke, COVID's still a major issue in schools, homes and society in general. There is a difference between a problem being solved and the current trend. We are not currently trending worse. Economic growth is trending in the upward direction. That is good. Unemployment is also currently trending toward fewer unemployed people. That is not to say it is good or where we were, only that the current trend is in the direction we want it to go. As for COVID, that too is trending in the direction we want it to go. COVID deaths have been trending downward since the 3rd week of July. The topline is down almost 60% over that period while the mean is down over 38%. That is a good thing.  The case rate is rising but it is not rising faster than the increase in testing. The number of people testing positive as a percentage of total tests is down. The number of hospital beds occupied by COVID patients is down. The number of ICU beds occupied by COVID patients is down. The hospital mortality rate is down. On top of all of that we are 4-6 weeks away from a vaccine being approved. By almost every measure we have, the picture is improving. That is not to say the problem is solved. Obviously it is not but it is trending in that general direction. We are nowhere near a vaccine being able to be distributed for widespread use. That is 6+ months away, likely longer. As misfortune would have it, the US recorded nearly 90,000 positive cases today. Increased testing alone does not explain a surge of that magnitude. Case growth has risen 24% over the last week, testing has increased about 9%. The Midwest is seeing record hospitalizations. Reinfection now is a problem. Treatments are likely more effective at this stage, but we still have zero idea on long-term risk outlook and complications at this point. We have a long way to go to reacclimate to normal. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Oct 30, 2020 11:49:00 GMT -8
We are nowhere near a vaccine being able to be distributed for widespread use. That is 6+ months away, likely longer. That depends on your definition of “widespread”. Between Moderna and Pfizer there will be roughly 50 million doses available in the US by the end of the year. There are 330 million Americans, so 60 days from now we will have enough FDA approved vaccine to treat 1 in 6 Americans. Because COVID does not infect or affect all people equally, 1-in-6 will be enough to treat everyone in the high vulnerability group plus all front line healthcare workers who work with infected people. It is true we will not have enough FDA approved vaccine to treat absolutely everyone for possibly 6 months, but included in that group are all the sub-20 year olds who are more likely to die from the flu than COVID. It also ignores the already increasing availability of therapeutics that dramatically lower mortality rate. The Midwest is seeing record hospitalizations. You can point to odd areas that for whatever reason had avoided infection earlier but those numbers are tiny when compared to the numbers New York and New Jersey were putting up in April. The statics don’t lie. The United States viewed in aggregate is on the downtrend unlike many European nations. The United States is trending better while many others are trending worse. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 30, 2020 11:56:46 GMT -8
Clearly, I'm referring to the entirety of the picture - Not cherrypicked, falsely illustrated data by the right-wingers. To a man/woman, they ran with 33% quarterly growth like it was factual. Same as the bogus jobs report that came out in August. While there are signs of economic recovery, it's nowhere near a complete picture. Unemployment is still rampant, people are broke, COVID's still a major issue in schools, homes and society in general. There is a difference between a problem being solved and the current trend. We are not currently trending worse. Economic growth is trending in the upward direction. That is good. Unemployment is also currently trending toward fewer unemployed people. That is not to say it is good or where we were, only that the current trend is in the direction we want it to go. As for COVID, that too is trending in the direction we want it to go. COVID deaths have been trending downward since the 3rd week of July. The topline is down almost 60% over that period while the mean is down over 38%. That is a good thing. The case rate is rising but it is not rising faster than the increase in testing. The number of people testing positive as a percentage of total tests is down. The number of hospital beds occupied by COVID patients is down. The number of ICU beds occupied by COVID patients is down. The hospital mortality rate is down. On top of all of that we are 4-6 weeks away from a vaccine being approved. By almost every measure we have, the picture is improving. That is not to say the problem is solved. Obviously it is not but it is trending in that general direction. This is good news. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 13:06:28 GMT -8
There is a difference between a problem being solved and the current trend. We are not currently trending worse. Economic growth is trending in the upward direction. That is good. Unemployment is also currently trending toward fewer unemployed people. That is not to say it is good or where we were, only that the current trend is in the direction we want it to go. As for COVID, that too is trending in the direction we want it to go. COVID deaths have been trending downward since the 3rd week of July. The topline is down almost 60% over that period while the mean is down over 38%. That is a good thing. The case rate is rising but it is not rising faster than the increase in testing. The number of people testing positive as a percentage of total tests is down. The number of hospital beds occupied by COVID patients is down. The number of ICU beds occupied by COVID patients is down. The hospital mortality rate is down. On top of all of that we are 4-6 weeks away from a vaccine being approved. By almost every measure we have, the picture is improving. That is not to say the problem is solved. Obviously it is not but it is trending in that general direction. This is good news. But it isn't accurate...if you read my post. Cases are surging once more. There are record hospitalizations in multiple states. It's not under control and there's no vaccine coming in a month. It'll be next year. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 13:16:07 GMT -8
We are nowhere near a vaccine being able to be distributed for widespread use. That is 6+ months away, likely longer. That depends on your definition of “widespread”. Between Moderna and Pfizer there will be roughly 50 million doses available in the US by the end of the year. There are 330 million Americans, so 60 days from now we will have enough FDA approved vaccine to treat 1 in 6 Americans. Because COVID does not infect or affect all people equally, 1-in-6 will be enough to treat everyone in the high vulnerability group plus all front line healthcare workers who work with infected people. It is true we will not have enough FDA approved vaccine to treat absolutely everyone for possibly 6 months, but included in that group are all the sub-20 year olds who are more likely to die from the flu than COVID. It also ignores the already increasing availability of therapeutics that dramatically lower mortality rate. The Midwest is seeing record hospitalizations. You can point to odd areas that for whatever reason had avoided infection earlier but those numbers are tiny when compared to the numbers New York and New Jersey were putting up in April. The statics don’t lie. The United States viewed in aggregate is on the downtrend unlike many European nations. The United States is trending better while many others are trending worse. I can point to facts that don't ignore population density and mass transit as a "thing" that acts as a mechanicism for the spread of COVID. 5,000 new cases today in Wisconsin, a state that has barely 25% of New York's population, without the density and cluster structure. The U.S. is absolutely *NOT* trending better, they've said record highs for cases twice in the last week. You're spreading misinformation. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Oct 30, 2020 13:18:17 GMT -8
But it isn't accurate...if you read my post. Cases are surging once more. There are record hospitalizations in multiple states. It's not under control and there's no vaccine coming in a month. It'll be next year. All of it is completely accurate. We will have at least one, and likely two, FDA approved vaccines in 4-6 weeks. As for the remainder, all you've shown is that you know how to cherry pick in an effort to disguise a clear trend showing information you oddly seem to be actively cheering against. The economy is improving, fewer people are unemployed, and fewer and dying from COVID in the United States. These are all 100% fact. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 13:33:27 GMT -8
But it isn't accurate...if you read my post. Cases are surging once more. There are record hospitalizations in multiple states. It's not under control and there's no vaccine coming in a month. It'll be next year. All of it is completely accurate. We will have at least one, and likely two, FDA approved vaccines in 4-6 weeks. As for the remainder, all you've shown is that you know how to cherry pick in an effort to disguise a clear trend showing information you oddly seem to be actively cheering against. The economy is improving, fewer people are unemployed, and fewer and dying from COVID in the United States. These are all 100% fact. No, it isn't. I'm not cheering against anything. I've been out of work for months. Whether a vaccine is approved or not is meaningless unless there's a method to mass distribute it. I've actually talked with epidemiologists on this subject. Universally, next year is a much more likely goal for actual effect on the U.S. population. The White House is even backtracking. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Oct 30, 2020 13:34:44 GMT -8
The U.S. is absolutely *NOT* trending better Of course it is, hence the chart I was able to post showing the trend. record highs for cases twice in the last week. You would have a point only if the US had perfect testing starting from the beginning of the pandemic. Every single reputable epidemiologist has been saying as loudly and often as they can that our testing has been inadequate and we have been detecting fewer than 1 in 10 actively infected people. Some have said our detection rate was as low as 2%. The unarguable fact among anyone being intellectually honest is that we don't know if we have a record number of cases because we don't know the true number of active cases now and were only making wild guesses 6 months ago. You are the one spreading misinformation. The detected case number is up but it is a worthless data point because we don't know where we were and the testing variables make apples-to-apples comparisons impossible. Use the aggregate death data. Use the aggregate hospitalization data. Use the aggregate ICU data. That you choose to cherry pick regions bucking the trend and case statistics with error bars so large as to be useless to counter good hard data is all anyone needs to know to determine who is shooting straight and who is selling snake oil. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Oct 30, 2020 13:44:29 GMT -8
Whether a vaccine is approved or not is meaningless unless there's a method to mass distribute it. For 48 states there is a method to mass distribute it. The military is ready to go the moment the vaccine is cleared. They won’t conduct the actual vaccinations but within 24 hours they will take all of the existing stock, of which there is a lot, and distribute it via armed convoy to hospitals. However, if you are in California that won’t help you. None of the military convoys will be allowed in California. Gavin Newsom has dictated that he is setting up his own California FDA panel and will not allow any FDA approved vaccine to be distributed in California until after his panel does an independent confirmation of the FDA approved vaccine. For Californians it really could take 6 months before we see a vaccine, but that is purely a Gavin Newsom thing. I don't even think it is a California Democrat thing. I believe Gavin has Executive Ordered it. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 30, 2020 16:20:59 GMT -8
Whether a vaccine is approved or not is meaningless unless there's a method to mass distribute it. For 48 states there is a method to mass distribute it. The military is ready to go the moment the vaccine is cleared. They won’t conduct the actual vaccinations but within 24 hours they will take all of the existing stock, of which there is a lot, and distribute it via armed convoy to hospitals. However, if you are in California that won’t help you. None of the military convoys will be allowed in California. Gavin Newsom has dictated that he is setting up his own California FDA panel and will not allow any FDA approved vaccine to be distributed in California until after his panel does an independent confirmation of the FDA approved vaccine. For Californians it really could take 6 months before we see a vaccine, but that is purely a Gavin Newsom thing. I don't even think it is a California Democrat thing. I believe Gavin has Executive Ordered it. Oh brother, wait till the CA elite realize they are being denied the protection of the vaccine that the rubes in Idaho, for example, are getting. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 19:35:03 GMT -8
The U.S. is absolutely *NOT* trending better Of course it is, hence the chart I was able to post showing the trend. record highs for cases twice in the last week. You would have a point only if the US had perfect testing starting from the beginning of the pandemic. Every single reputable epidemiologist has been saying as loudly and often as they can that our testing has been inadequate and we have been detecting fewer than 1 in 10 actively infected people. Some have said our detection rate was as low as 2%. The unarguable fact among anyone being intellectually honest is that we don't know if we have a record number of cases because we don't know the true number of active cases now and were only making wild guesses 6 months ago. You are the one spreading misinformation. The detected case number is up but it is a worthless data point because we don't know where we were and the testing variables make apples-to-apples comparisons impossible. Use the aggregate death data. Use the aggregate hospitalization data. Use the aggregate ICU data. That you choose to cherry pick regions bucking the trend and case statistics with error bars so large as to be useless to counter good hard data is all anyone needs to know to determine who is shooting straight and who is selling snake oil. Hey, I have a chart, too! On a more serious note, you can't use aggregate data. Not every state even reports hospitalizations, ICU bed status, or even comprehensive numbers of COVID patients. I'm not cherrypicking data, it's necessary to point out spikes in cases in different regions so you can identify the factors behind them. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 30, 2020 20:03:15 GMT -8
Of course it is, hence the chart I was able to post showing the trend. You would have a point only if the US had perfect testing starting from the beginning of the pandemic. Every single reputable epidemiologist has been saying as loudly and often as they can that our testing has been inadequate and we have been detecting fewer than 1 in 10 actively infected people. Some have said our detection rate was as low as 2%. The unarguable fact among anyone being intellectually honest is that we don't know if we have a record number of cases because we don't know the true number of active cases now and were only making wild guesses 6 months ago. You are the one spreading misinformation. The detected case number is up but it is a worthless data point because we don't know where we were and the testing variables make apples-to-apples comparisons impossible. Use the aggregate death data. Use the aggregate hospitalization data. Use the aggregate ICU data. That you choose to cherry pick regions bucking the trend and case statistics with error bars so large as to be useless to counter good hard data is all anyone needs to know to determine who is shooting straight and who is selling snake oil. Hey, I have a chart, too! On a more serious note, you can't use aggregate data. Not every state even reports hospitalizations, ICU bed status, or even comprehensive numbers of COVID patients. I'm not cherrypicking data, it's necessary to point out spikes in cases in different regions so you can identify the factors behind them. Christmas may not be saveable he says? Gimme a break. What a stretch. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Oct 30, 2020 20:20:56 GMT -8
you can't use aggregate data. Not every state even reports hospitalizations, ICU bed status, or even comprehensive numbers of COVID patients. I'm not cherrypicking data, it's necessary to point out spikes in cases in different regions so you can identify the factors behind them. If you are referring to the aggregate then you use aggregate data. It isn't valid to say the United States is doing anything just because you found a rural hospital in Cornfield, Iowa that just set a record with a hundred percent rise in cases by going from 2 cases to 4 cases. What you are doing is called cherry picking. Your reliance on case trend is likewise not valid due to the aforementioned variance in testing but you keep using it because it is all you have. All the rise in confirmed cases really tells us is that the Chicken Littles who all said COVID was 50 times worse than the flu were wrong. Our knowledge of COVID is getting better. Our ability to treat COVID is getting better. Fewer people are dying from it and the economic damage caused by the panicked overreaction is starting to be corrected as can be confirmed in the latest GDP growth and unemployment data. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 22:13:07 GMT -8
Hey, I have a chart, too! On a more serious note, you can't use aggregate data. Not every state even reports hospitalizations, ICU bed status, or even comprehensive numbers of COVID patients. I'm not cherrypicking data, it's necessary to point out spikes in cases in different regions so you can identify the factors behind them. Christmas may not be saveable he says? Gimme a break. What a stretch. That's a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, clearly referring to a tipping point of "normalcy" in the midst of growing case numbers. I didn't think that was difficult to interpret. He's not saying Christmas is going to cease to exist. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 30, 2020 22:14:35 GMT -8
you can't use aggregate data. Not every state even reports hospitalizations, ICU bed status, or even comprehensive numbers of COVID patients. I'm not cherrypicking data, it's necessary to point out spikes in cases in different regions so you can identify the factors behind them. If you are referring to the aggregate then you use aggregate data. It isn't valid to say the United States is doing anything just because you found a rural hospital in Cornfield, Iowa that just set a record with a hundred percent rise in cases by going from 2 cases to 4 cases. What you are doing is called cherry picking. Your reliance on case trend is likewise not valid due to the aforementioned variance in testing but you keep using it because it is all you have. All the rise in confirmed cases really tells us is that the Chicken Littles who all said COVID was 50 times worse than the flu were wrong. Our knowledge of COVID is getting better. Our ability to treat COVID is getting better. Fewer people are dying from it and the economic damage caused by the panicked overreaction is starting to be corrected as can be confirmed in the latest GDP growth and unemployment data. I'm glad your ability to parrot Fox News is intact. Unfortunately, the smart people know that we are trending backwards across the country, with cases far outpacing testing, as the data shows. Enjoy your weekend. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 31, 2020 7:48:13 GMT -8
I think it's more about the lack of "real empathy" exhibited by the POTUS, his family and his staff. Every day that Americans die, means there will be more empty seats at Thanksgiving tables whether they are red or blue. Christmas and Hanukkah may be overshadowed by grief. How hard is it to grasp these losses and talk about them, not around them?? These are real people suffering and dying not, they're not just numbers in a morning briefing report. JMO
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Oct 31, 2020 8:40:18 GMT -8
I think it's more about the lack of "real empathy" exhibited by the POTUS, his family and his staff. Every day that Americans die, means there will be more empty seats at Thanksgiving tables whether they are red or blue. Christmas and Hanukkah may be overshadowed by grief. How hard is it to grasp these losses and talk about them, not around them?? These are real people suffering and dying not, they're not just numbers in a morning briefing report. JMO Fair enough. We seem to have different criteria in choosing a President. I want a President who does the job as outlined in the US Constitution while you want a President who talks about feelings. If you want to blame someone for empty chairs at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Hanukkah then I’d suggest blaming China which purposely created the virus in a lab in Wuhan and published their work back in 2015. www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-%201.18787If China had not done the research and created the chimera virus made up of the spike proteins from the SHC014 found in horseshoe bats and the capsid of the SARS coronavirus as they published in 2015 then there would have never been a COVID-19 pandemic. Those mass murderers have a clear preference in who they’d like to see as President and it appears their values align with yours. Maybe they too just want a President who talks about feelings. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 31, 2020 9:34:46 GMT -8
I think it's more about the lack of "real empathy" exhibited by the POTUS, his family and his staff. Every day that Americans die, means there will be more empty seats at Thanksgiving tables whether they are red or blue. Christmas and Hanukkah may be overshadowed by grief. How hard is it to grasp these losses and talk about them, not around them?? These are real people suffering and dying not, they're not just numbers in a morning briefing report. JMO Fair enough. We seem to have different criteria in choosing a President. I want a President who does the job as outlined in the US Constitution while you want a President who talks about feelings. If you want to blame someone for empty chairs at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Hanukkah then I’d suggest blaming China which purposely created the virus in a lab in Wuhan and published their work back in 2015. www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-%201.18787If China had not done the research and created the chimera virus made up of the spike proteins from the SHC014 found in horseshoe bats and the capsid of the SARS coronavirus as they published in 2015 then there would have never been a COVID-19 pandemic. Those mass murderers have a clear preference in who they’d like to see as President and it appears their values align with yours. Maybe they too just want a President who talks about feelings. You're a disgrace. It's literally pathetic that you can't see reality and I will absolutely revel in a Trump defeat, solely due to your lack of humanity. Disgusting. That's the same China by the way that your president is so fond of. The same one he sent mass supplies to. The same one he asked to investigate Joe Biden on national TV. So if China is "mass murder"....and Trump is fond of President Xi...Math checks out. No wonder your base is full of dimwits. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Oct 31, 2020 11:38:30 GMT -8
You're a disgrace. It's literally pathetic that you can't see reality and I will absolutely revel in a Trump defeat, solely due to your lack of humanity. Disgusting. It may be only funny to me but when I read your jabs it is always voiced in my head by the late great Christopher Collins doing irate Cobra Commander. |
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