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Post by missiontrails on Jun 26, 2020 11:50:47 GMT -8
Holy crap. This is your worst take ever -- and that's saying something. And it only took you one paragraph to get there! So let's turn your myopic historical account on its head, and instead join the "here and now"... The GOP (here and now) support Native American extermination, slavery, The KKK, segregation, child internment and a host of other abominable institutions, including Confederate flag-waving "jews will not replace us" marchers, repeated mass-murder by semi-automatic weapons, the suppression of scientific data on a number of issues including catastrophic climate change and Covid, and voter-suppression. How can any human with a pulse and even an ounce of intellectual integrity align with such current malpractice as the Trump Administration? Allow their institutions to become overrun with such racist nonsense in the modern day? I’ll give the liberals credit, they are on the right side of an arc of history that bends towards justice. LOL. As the saying goes, if you are not a liberal by the age of 18 you don't have a heart and if you are not a conservative at the age of 35 you have no brain. Still accurate as hell. By the way, if you think your ability to rationalize things isn't blinded by your own biases then you are as dumb as you think those who disagree with you are. LOL, I'm well past 35 and still have a brain. Conservative policies are not what you hope they are. |
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Post by DeeMoney on Jun 26, 2020 12:37:26 GMT -8
Confederate Rebels were traitors to the United States. They were fighting for the right to enslave other Human beings. They should not be honored in any way. Class dismissed. Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. I think the material difference is that the Confederacy was founded on the destruction of America (literally it was created by tearing our country apart), and during its entirety was at odds (mostly at war) with the US. This isnt to write that there werent people in the South who didn't do positive things before, during, or after the war; its to say the confederacy itself was only an entity that fought against America and tore our country in two. So while we can reconcile with people who made up the confederacy, I don't see a need to reconcile with the confederacy itself (nor those things explicitly attached to the confederacy), especially considering that the confederacy no longer exists. Conversely, the Iron Cross has a history dating back to pre German unification (ie Prussia); it was not solely used by Nazi Germany but is part of German heritage as a whole. MOREOVER, and this is important to note, German heritage is not solely contained to the NAZI era (unlike the confederacy which is solely contained to the Civil War era); hence you can separate the Iron Cross from the NAZIS (unlike, say a swastika, which I do not believe they allow on German aircrafts). Similarly, the Rising Sun flag dates back to the Meiji Restoration, long before WWII, and as such is attached to the Japanese military as a whole. It was not solely used during WWII or its attack on Pearl Harbor. |
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Post by oldie on Jun 26, 2020 14:23:39 GMT -8
Can't, he sports guns.  They took away his and Elmer Fuds guns. All good. put an ice cream cone in one hand and a popsicle in the other and you'll have a hyper p/c mascot. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 26, 2020 16:15:16 GMT -8
They took away his and Elmer Fuds guns. All good. put an ice cream cone in one hand and a popsicle in the other and you'll have a hyper p/c mascot. If we dress him in diapers and put a binkie in one hand and a baby bottle in the other we'll have the true UNLV mascot. |
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Post by zurac315 on Jun 26, 2020 19:06:45 GMT -8
Confederate Rebels were traitors to the United States. They were fighting for the right to enslave other Human beings. They should not be honored in any way. Class dismissed. Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. Yup, the KKK and Jim Crow laws were all about reconciliation. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jun 26, 2020 19:11:50 GMT -8
Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. I think the material difference is that the Confederacy was founded on the destruction of America (literally it was created by tearing our country apart), and during its entirety was at odds (mostly at war) with the US. This isnt to write that there werent people in the South who didn't do positive things before, during, or after the war; its to say the confederacy itself was only an entity that fought against America and tore our country in two. So while we can reconcile with people who made up the confederacy, I don't see a need to reconcile with the confederacy itself (nor those things explicitly attached to the confederacy), especially considering that the confederacy no longer exists. Conversely, the Iron Cross has a history dating back to pre German unification (ie Prussia); it was not solely used by Nazi Germany but is part of German heritage as a whole. MOREOVER, and this is important to note, German heritage is not solely contained to the NAZI era (unlike the confederacy which is solely contained to the Civil War era); hence you can separate the Iron Cross from the NAZIS (unlike, say a swastika, which I do not believe they allow on German aircrafts). Similarly, the Rising Sun flag dates back to the Meiji Restoration, long before WWII, and as such is attached to the Japanese military as a whole. It was not solely used during WWII or its attack on Pearl Harbor. All fair points, but wouldn’t you agree that the reconciliation of the United States following the civil war was much more difficult than reconciliation with either Japan or Germany? The US population in the 1860 census was a little more than 31 million, while just before WW2 our population was over 147 million. So, the 625,000 deaths in the civil war means that a full 2% of our population was lost, mostly young men. Comparatively, 405,000 Americans were lost in all theaters of WW2, about 0.28% of the population, roughly 1/10 the percentage of the civil war. Few Americans actually had to live, work, trade and compete with the Japanese or Germans following WW2. The civil war was far more costly and personal than even WW2, and the post war reconciliation was far more critical to the future prosperity of America. |
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Post by DeeMoney on Jun 26, 2020 19:40:14 GMT -8
I think the material difference is that the Confederacy was founded on the destruction of America (literally it was created by tearing our country apart), and during its entirety was at odds (mostly at war) with the US. This isnt to write that there werent people in the South who didn't do positive things before, during, or after the war; its to say the confederacy itself was only an entity that fought against America and tore our country in two. So while we can reconcile with people who made up the confederacy, I don't see a need to reconcile with the confederacy itself (nor those things explicitly attached to the confederacy), especially considering that the confederacy no longer exists. Conversely, the Iron Cross has a history dating back to pre German unification (ie Prussia); it was not solely used by Nazi Germany but is part of German heritage as a whole. MOREOVER, and this is important to note, German heritage is not solely contained to the NAZI era (unlike the confederacy which is solely contained to the Civil War era); hence you can separate the Iron Cross from the NAZIS (unlike, say a swastika, which I do not believe they allow on German aircrafts). Similarly, the Rising Sun flag dates back to the Meiji Restoration, long before WWII, and as such is attached to the Japanese military as a whole. It was not solely used during WWII or its attack on Pearl Harbor. All fair points, but wouldn’t you agree that the reconciliation of the United States following the civil war was much more difficult than reconciliation with either Japan or Germany? The US population in the 1860 census was a little more than 31 million, while just before WW2 our population was over 147 million. So, the 625,000 deaths in the civil war means that a full 2% of our population was lost, mostly young men. Comparatively, 405,000 Americans were lost in all theaters of WW2, about 0.28% of the population, roughly 1/10 the percentage of the civil war. Few Americans actually had to live, work, trade and compete with the Japanese or Germans following WW2. The civil war was far more costly and personal than even WW2, and the post war reconciliation was far more critical to the future prosperity of America. I think the reconstruction era was such a cluster especially since Lincoln was killed and Johnson became president; although whose to say it wouldve been better had any man been there. I agree that reconstruction post Civil War was much more difficult, especially since you are trying to re-unite a country. But I think the firm but fair stance that Mac Arthur took in the reconstruction of post WWII Japan proved to be the most successful, and wish we wouldve done something similar 80 years prior. Had we had a similar cohesive plan for reconstruction post CW (even with the social difficulties you mentioned above) it wouldve been far better in the long run. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jun 26, 2020 20:24:29 GMT -8
Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. Yup, the KKK and Jim Crow laws were all about reconciliation. The KKK is a despicable private organization, protected by the same constitutional rights that allow other despicable organizations such as Communist Party USA. The KKK targeted Black Americans and Republicans, and fought against reconciliation, so I don’t follow your thought process - can you elaborate? Jim Crow laws were passed by Democrats in the South and were, unfortunately, upheld by the Supreme Court in 1896. Sadly, separate but equal was generally accepted throughout the United States (north and south) at that time. As a court decision, it was never contemplated (that I know of - do you have evidence?) as an act of reconciliation. It was simply a very poor decision by the SCOTUS. Hopefully, Roe vs Wade will one day be viewed as a comparable mistake by the court. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 27, 2020 6:11:24 GMT -8
The US population in the 1860 census was a little more than 31 million, while just before WW2 our population was over 147 million. So, the 625,000 deaths in the civil war means that a full 2% of our population was lost, mostly young men. Comparatively, 405,000 Americans were lost in all theaters of WW2, about 0.28% of the population, roughly 1/10 the percentage of the civil war. Few Americans actually had to live, work, trade and compete with the Japanese or Germans following WW2. The civil war was far more costly and personal than even WW2, and the post war reconciliation was far more critical to the future prosperity of America. Recent research has concluded that the devastation wrought by the Civil War was more profound than initially believed and that the death toll was higher than the generally accepted number of 625k. Recent research by Dr. J. David Hacker, a university demography professor, concluded that some 850,000 men were killed in the war. The original 625k figure was researched and published in 1899 by two Civil War veterans and amateur historians who had combed through military documents, files and reports for every Union and Confederate regiment. But Dr. Hacker combined this data with modern statistical modeling and longitudinal census records to determine the full impact of the war. At 850k deaths, the loss of life was horrific and profound. But calculating percentages from a population of 31 million doesn't tell the whole story. The male population was about 15 million. However, the demographic most-affected by the war was males between the ages of 18 and 40, which represented about 1/3 of the male population or about 5 million men. When you use that as a base, the numbers are stark. It means that 17% of the young men in the U.S. -- nearly one-in-five -- were killed in the war. I wasn't able to find the estimated number of wounded, but if you add that to the mix, probably one-third of military-age men of that era had been either killed or maimed in that conflict. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 27, 2020 8:06:30 GMT -8
Yup, the KKK and Jim Crow laws were all about reconciliation. The KKK is a despicable private organization, protected by the same constitutional rights that allow other despicable organizations such as Communist Party USA. The KKK targeted Black Americans and Republicans, and fought against reconciliation, so I don’t follow your thought process - can you elaborate? Jim Crow laws were passed by Democrats in the South and were, unfortunately, upheld by the Supreme Court in 1896. Sadly, separate but equal was generally accepted throughout the United States (north and south) at that time. As a court decision, it was never contemplated (that I know of - do you have evidence?) as an act of reconciliation. It was simply a very poor decision by the SCOTUS. Hopefully, Roe vs Wade will one day be viewed as a comparable mistake by the court. As long as you want to talk about changing and controlling constitutional rights like the right to have an abortion lets talk about sensible gun control by banning assault weapons and outlawing the death penalty. |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 27, 2020 14:25:29 GMT -8
LOL. As the saying goes, if you are not a liberal by the age of 18 you don't have a heart and if you are not a conservative at the age of 35 you have no brain. Still accurate as hell. By the way, if you think your ability to rationalize things isn't blinded by your own biases then you are as dumb as you think those who disagree with you are. LOL, I'm well past 35 and still have a brain. Conservative policies are not what you hope they are. I consider our founders to have been extremely intelligent and wise. They read history and realized that, eventually, all governments descended into tyranny and tried hard to ensure that doing so here would be extremely difficult. Their worry was not about being attacked from abroad, but instead worried about tyranny from within. The USA is the last defense for personal liberty and freedom which is why it is under such a heavy and constant attack by the globalists and our enemies. This is why we see such widespread attacks against the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 10th amendments. Statists have always felt that our Bill of Rights was too restrictive as to what government could do. Obama even admitted this prior to being elected and later on showed admiration for the Chinese government system because they could effect change so quickly. |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 27, 2020 14:27:32 GMT -8
The KKK is a despicable private organization, protected by the same constitutional rights that allow other despicable organizations such as Communist Party USA. The KKK targeted Black Americans and Republicans, and fought against reconciliation, so I don’t follow your thought process - can you elaborate? Jim Crow laws were passed by Democrats in the South and were, unfortunately, upheld by the Supreme Court in 1896. Sadly, separate but equal was generally accepted throughout the United States (north and south) at that time. As a court decision, it was never contemplated (that I know of - do you have evidence?) as an act of reconciliation. It was simply a very poor decision by the SCOTUS. Hopefully, Roe vs Wade will one day be viewed as a comparable mistake by the court. As long as you want to talk about changing and controlling constitutional rights like the right to have an abortion lets talk about sensible gun control by banning assault weapons and outlawing the death penalty. Assault weapons have been effectively banned since 1935. You want to buy an assault weapon you need a special permit and something like a M-16 will set you back around $30K. |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 27, 2020 15:10:43 GMT -8
So, in 3 pages, we've gone from UNLV may change their mascot, to talking about the KKK, abortion, and assault weapons.
That's pretty impressive.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 27, 2020 15:37:47 GMT -8
So, in 3 pages, we've gone from UNLV may change their mascot, to talking about the KKK, abortion, and assault weapons. That's pretty impressive. You know who else made observations like that? Slave traders. I hate 2020. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 27, 2020 15:46:00 GMT -8
So, in 3 pages, we've gone from UNLV may change their mascot, to talking about the KKK, abortion, and assault weapons. That's pretty impressive. You forgot the Diapers, binkies and baby bottles! |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jun 27, 2020 17:21:43 GMT -8
The KKK is a despicable private organization, protected by the same constitutional rights that allow other despicable organizations such as Communist Party USA. The KKK targeted Black Americans and Republicans, and fought against reconciliation, so I don’t follow your thought process - can you elaborate? Jim Crow laws were passed by Democrats in the South and were, unfortunately, upheld by the Supreme Court in 1896. Sadly, separate but equal was generally accepted throughout the United States (north and south) at that time. As a court decision, it was never contemplated (that I know of - do you have evidence?) as an act of reconciliation. It was simply a very poor decision by the SCOTUS. Hopefully, Roe vs Wade will one day be viewed as a comparable mistake by the court. As long as you want to talk about changing and controlling constitutional rights like the right to have an abortion lets talk about sensible gun control by banning assault weapons and outlawing the death penalty. In Plessy vs Ferguson the Supreme Court decided in a 7-1 decision that separate but equal did not violate the 14th amendment. In Roe vs Wade the Supreme Court in a 7-2 vote decided that abortion was an implicit to the right to privacy in the 14th amendment. They were wrong in both cases. One error has been corrected, but it required 60 years. Hopefully, the other will be corrected before it’s 60th birthday My personal view on abortion is simple - it is unlawful and unethical to kill an innocent person. So in my mind it comes down to when you believe that human life begins. Although there have been many advances in medicine, this is ultimately a philosophical question. Of course, our legislative bodies don’t have the fortitude to create law that defines when life begins, when it ends, and the rights the individual concerning their own existence. You may be surprised, but I’d like to see the death penalty abolished as well. The 2nd amendment actually mentions the right to keep arms, unlike the 14th amendment that has no mention of abortion. There is a process to amend the constitution, so I guess you could build a coalition and try to change it. I don’t know why you’d want to take a right away from a law abiding citizen, but do as you think is right. |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 27, 2020 19:46:08 GMT -8
So, in 3 pages, we've gone from UNLV may change their mascot, to talking about the KKK, abortion, and assault weapons. That's pretty impressive. You know who else made observations like that? Slave traders. I hate 2020. Slave traders were concerned about UNLV possibly changing their mascot? |
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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 28, 2020 6:10:45 GMT -8
Assault weapons have been effectively banned since 1935. You want to buy an assault weapon you need a special permit and something like a M-16 will set you back around $30K. An M-16 can fire about 700 rounds per minute of a .223-calibre high-power bullet that travels about 3,000 mph and is so devastating that it essentially "splashes" through the human body. An AR-15, which can be purchased for as little as $500, can fire about 400 rounds per minute -- or up to 600 rounds per minute with a modified bump stock like the Vegas shooter deployed -- of a .223-calibre high-power bullet that travels about 3,000 mph and is so devastating that it essentially "splashes" through the human body. The nomenclature differentiating an assault weapon and an assault-style weapon is a distraction. A semantic dodge. Gun nuts love to feign outrage about calling readily available AR-15s and AK-47s assault weapons. But the fact is that for the average citizen, both weapons are horrifically lethal and have no business outside of a war zone. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 28, 2020 7:47:23 GMT -8
Assault weapons have been effectively banned since 1935. You want to buy an assault weapon you need a special permit and something like a M-16 will set you back around $30K. An M-16 can fire about 700 rounds per minute of a .223-calibre high-power bullet that travels about 3,000 mph and is so devastating that it essentially "splashes" through the human body. An AR-15, which can be purchased for as little as $500, can fire about 400 rounds per minute -- or up to 600 rounds per minute with a modified bump stock like the Vegas shooter deployed -- of a .223-calibre high-power bullet that travels about 3,000 mph and is so devastating that it essentially "splashes" through the human body. The nomenclature differentiating an assault weapon and an assault-style weapon is a distraction. A semantic dodge. Gun nuts love to feign outrage about calling readily available AR-15s and AK-47s assault weapons. But the fact is that for the average citizen, both weapons are horrifically lethal and have no business outside of a war zone. Well said and the vast majority of Americans agree with you. |
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Post by zollner on Jun 28, 2020 8:38:42 GMT -8
Yup, the KKK and Jim Crow laws were all about reconciliation. The KKK is a despicable private organization, protected by the same constitutional rights that allow other despicable organizations such as Communist Party USA. The KKK targeted Black Americans and Republicans, and fought against reconciliation, so I don’t follow your thought process - can you elaborate? Jim Crow laws were passed by Democrats in the South and were, unfortunately, upheld by the Supreme Court in 1896. Sadly, separate but equal was generally accepted throughout the United States (north and south) at that time. As a court decision, it was never contemplated (that I know of - do you have evidence?) as an act of reconciliation. It was simply a very poor decision by the SCOTUS. Hopefully, Roe vs Wade will one day be viewed as a comparable mistake by the court. Let me guess your an older white guy that wants control over women's bodies. You are also in favor of no birth control. How progressive of you. Bet you live south of the Mason Dixon line. Also in favor of doing away with the Free Speech element of the 1st Amendment. You use the word despicable twice in your post. Was that the word of the month in Readers Digest build your vocabulary section? |
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