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Post by panammaniac on Jun 22, 2020 11:11:05 GMT -8
The country is on a VERY slippery slope lately. Where does it all stop? I have no problem with removing Confederate monuments and taking the battle cross off of state flags and other insignia. Right, wrong, or indifferent, the battle cross has evolved in many people's minds into a symbol of white supremacy, and it's been inciting emotions and bad will for a lot of years, not just recently. You can't erase history, but when you have current day white supremacist groups bordering on what you would call domestic terrorists rallying behind the flag, something clearly needs to change.
Confederate statues - that's a trickier issue. It's difficult for me to paint Robert E. Lee with the same brush as say Jefferson Davis. Lee played a big role in the reconstruction years after the war and, other than his stint leading the Confederate forces, was an upstanding citizen. He was never really pro slavery. Davis continued to advocate for slavery and white supremacist values long after the war, even after he was captured. Yet Lee holds the distinction of leading the rebel forces. So what is his real legacy? While it's difficult celebrating someone who led troops against our country, you can't deny the good he did for the country after the war.
Our Founding Fathers, including George Washington, were slave owners, and in reality (despite a lot of myth suggesting otherwise - it's just that, myth) they didn't treat slaves any differently than anybody else of that era. Do you tear their monuments down and rename our Nation's Capital because Washington was a slave owner? The thought of that is just ludicrous, but again, where do we jump off the slippery slope?
That brings me to Native American mascot names. In my opinion, the NCAA is extremely wishy washy here and needs to move one way or another. How is it that Florida State can continue with their mascot, including the obnoxious tomahawk chop and the chant that goes along with it, while smaller schools like Marquette, St. John's, and North Dakota State were forced to change theirs? This smacks of the big schools paying to get their way, while the small schools are forced to comply. Native American mascot names are either offensive or they're not, so they should be either allowed or not allowed. I know Florida State supposedly has a letter from the Seminole Nation giving them permission to use the name. There's other parts of the Seminole Nation that don't live in Florida that don't necessarily agree. Yes, a policy forbidding Native American mascots would mean that SDSU would have to change its mascot. I'm not advocating for or against that, just pointing out the disparities that exist.
The UNLV situation comes across as absurd. Nevada didn't even exist during the Civil War, and it's pretty clearly stated by the school that the Rebel mascot is in reference to UNLV being an extension campus to Reno. They may have had a mascot vaguely resembling a Confederate general at one time, but that was rectified years ago. A lot of things that happened in those days would be deemed racially insensitive today, including 90% of the sitcoms that were on TV. Could you even imagine All in the Family, or The Jeffersons, or Chico and the Man on TV today? Again, it's the slippery slope - we're in an era where everybody is offended by everything. Where does it all stop?
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 22, 2020 11:26:19 GMT -8
+1 And SDSU eventually as well. At the end of the day, a nickname / mascot is pretty meaningless. UNLV will be fine. At the end of the day, academia is full of liberal educators who have spines like over cooked linguine. The Dems (historically) have supported Native American extermination, slavery, The KKK, segregation, Japanese American internment and a host of other abominable institutions, including secession in 1860...rebels....on second thought they should probably keep the name. How can any educator with a even an ounce of intellectual integrity align with such historical malpractice? Allow their institutions to become overrun with such socialist nonsense? I’ll give the liberals credit, they are clever, but in the end....mentally disordered. How does what a political party's tendencies were 50-100 years ago (mostly congressmen in the southern states, I might add) have even an inkling to do with the way the debate on this issue should be framed now? Then again, since I am liberal on most political issues, you obviously consider me mentally disoriented, so I may or may not understand the expected reasoned, well-thought out reply you'll likely have for me.  |
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jun 22, 2020 14:19:15 GMT -8
The country is on a VERY slippery slope lately. Where does it all stop? I have no problem with removing Confederate monuments and taking the battle cross off of state flags and other insignia. Right, wrong, or indifferent, the battle cross has evolved in many people's minds into a symbol of white supremacy, and it's been inciting emotions and bad will for a lot of years, not just recently. You can't erase history, but when you have current day white supremacist groups bordering on what you would call domestic terrorists rallying behind the flag, something clearly needs to change. Confederate statues - that's a trickier issue. It's difficult for me to paint Robert E. Lee with the same brush as say Jefferson Davis. Lee played a big role in the reconstruction years after the war and, other than his stint leading the Confederate forces, was an upstanding citizen. He was never really pro slavery. Davis continued to advocate for slavery and white supremacist values long after the war, even after he was captured. Yet Lee holds the distinction of leading the rebel forces. So what is his real legacy? While it's difficult celebrating someone who led troops against our country, you can't deny the good he did for the country after the war. Our Founding Fathers, including George Washington, were slave owners, and in reality (despite a lot of myth suggesting otherwise - it's just that, myth) they didn't treat slaves any differently than anybody else of that era. Do you tear their monuments down and rename our Nation's Capital because Washington was a slave owner? The thought of that is just ludicrous, but again, where do we jump off the slippery slope? That brings me to Native American mascot names. In my opinion, the NCAA is extremely wishy washy here and needs to move one way or another. How is it that Florida State can continue with their mascot, including the obnoxious tomahawk chop and the chant that goes along with it, while smaller schools like Marquette, St. John's, and North Dakota State were forced to change theirs? This smacks of the big schools paying to get their way, while the small schools are forced to comply. Native American mascot names are either offensive or they're not, so they should be either allowed or not allowed. I know Florida State supposedly has a letter from the Seminole Nation giving them permission to use the name. There's other parts of the Seminole Nation that don't live in Florida that don't necessarily agree. Yes, a policy forbidding Native American mascots would mean that SDSU would have to change its mascot. I'm not advocating for or against that, just pointing out the disparities that exist. The UNLV situation comes across as absurd. Nevada didn't even exist during the Civil War, and it's pretty clearly stated by the school that the Rebel mascot is in reference to UNLV being an extension campus to Reno. They may have had a mascot vaguely resembling a Confederate general at one time, but that was rectified years ago. A lot of things that happened in those days would be deemed racially insensitive today, including 90% of the sitcoms that were on TV. Could you even imagine All in the Family, or The Jeffersons, or Chico and the Man on TV today? Again, it's the slippery slope - we're in an era where everybody is offended by everything. Where does it all stop? Can’t believe I’m reading that you are equating Aztecs with native Americans. Where have you been? That controversy has been adjudicated numerous times over the decades I’ve lived in SD. Simply stated there is no connection between native Americans and a sect of meso Americans that disappeared over 700 years ago from present day Southern Mexico. The current dustup is mostly focused on dishonoring civil war era men, not the threadbare Native American team names , is it not? |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 23, 2020 11:19:26 GMT -8
The country is on a VERY slippery slope lately. Where does it all stop? I have no problem with removing Confederate monuments and taking the battle cross off of state flags and other insignia. Right, wrong, or indifferent, the battle cross has evolved in many people's minds into a symbol of white supremacy, and it's been inciting emotions and bad will for a lot of years, not just recently. You can't erase history, but when you have current day white supremacist groups bordering on what you would call domestic terrorists rallying behind the flag, something clearly needs to change. Confederate statues - that's a trickier issue. It's difficult for me to paint Robert E. Lee with the same brush as say Jefferson Davis. Lee played a big role in the reconstruction years after the war and, other than his stint leading the Confederate forces, was an upstanding citizen. He was never really pro slavery. Davis continued to advocate for slavery and white supremacist values long after the war, even after he was captured. Yet Lee holds the distinction of leading the rebel forces. So what is his real legacy? While it's difficult celebrating someone who led troops against our country, you can't deny the good he did for the country after the war. Our Founding Fathers, including George Washington, were slave owners, and in reality (despite a lot of myth suggesting otherwise - it's just that, myth) they didn't treat slaves any differently than anybody else of that era. Do you tear their monuments down and rename our Nation's Capital because Washington was a slave owner? The thought of that is just ludicrous, but again, where do we jump off the slippery slope? That brings me to Native American mascot names. In my opinion, the NCAA is extremely wishy washy here and needs to move one way or another. How is it that Florida State can continue with their mascot, including the obnoxious tomahawk chop and the chant that goes along with it, while smaller schools like Marquette, St. John's, and North Dakota State were forced to change theirs? This smacks of the big schools paying to get their way, while the small schools are forced to comply. Native American mascot names are either offensive or they're not, so they should be either allowed or not allowed. I know Florida State supposedly has a letter from the Seminole Nation giving them permission to use the name. There's other parts of the Seminole Nation that don't live in Florida that don't necessarily agree. Yes, a policy forbidding Native American mascots would mean that SDSU would have to change its mascot. I'm not advocating for or against that, just pointing out the disparities that exist. The UNLV situation comes across as absurd. Nevada didn't even exist during the Civil War, and it's pretty clearly stated by the school that the Rebel mascot is in reference to UNLV being an extension campus to Reno. They may have had a mascot vaguely resembling a Confederate general at one time, but that was rectified years ago. A lot of things that happened in those days would be deemed racially insensitive today, including 90% of the sitcoms that were on TV. Could you even imagine All in the Family, or The Jeffersons, or Chico and the Man on TV today? Again, it's the slippery slope - we're in an era where everybody is offended by everything. Where does it all stop? Like many Americans whose roots in this country go back to the 1600s, I had ancestors on both sides of the civil war. My Dad's side of the family came here via Boston and settled in CT and moved west over time where they settled in Iowa at the time of the war. My Mom's side came here through Maryland and initially settled in VA. By the time of the war they were in AL. My 3rd great grandfather was wounded in the Siege of Vicksburgh and died in a union POW camp, Ft Delaware, less than a month later. He had a brother who also served but survived the war. On my Dad's side my 2nd great grandfather and his brother were drafted by the union. I don't believe they fought as Iowa farmers were typically forced to grow food for the union. Both sides of my family, by the way, fought in the Revolutionary war as well as the War of 1812. I don't feel the need to disrespect either side of my family. As for retiring team names or mascots, well the Redskins come to mind and that is about it. I suppose I could throw in the Fighting Irish due to that stereotype as well and the fact that many Irish came to this country as "indentured servants" which is a form of slavery. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 23, 2020 13:23:28 GMT -8
They should just go with Yosemite Sam as a new mascot and call it a day.
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Post by panammaniac on Jun 23, 2020 13:41:19 GMT -8
Can’t believe I’m reading that you are equating Aztecs with native Americans. Where have you been? That controversy has been adjudicated numerous times over the decades I’ve lived in SD. Simply stated there is no connection between native Americans and a sect of meso Americans that disappeared over 700 years ago from present day Southern Mexico. The current dustup is mostly focused on dishonoring civil war era men, not the threadbare Native American team names , is it not? The point I was trying to make was that we're in an era where everything is apparently offensive, and a question of where do you jump off the soapbox? Now suddenly Eskimo Pies are offensive and that brand name is going to change. We can argue until we're blue in the face over what the definition of Native Americans is and whether or not "Aztecs" falls into that category. I agree that it doesn't - EXCEPT that there are bands of Native Americans who live in and around San Diego who are direct descendants of the Aztecs, so there are people who may not necessarily agree. You did, after all, have to get rid of Monty and go with the more politically correct "Aztec Warrior." Again, I'm not trying to start the argument of whether your mascot should be changed or not - I don't have a horse in that race. It does fall on the same slippery slope though - if the NCAA were to proclaim no more Native American mascots, period, then I would suspect that right, wrong, or indifferent, SDSU would be included in that proclamation. Pro sports teams: There are tons. Washington Redskins, Chicago Blackhawks, Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians just to name a few. At least two of those use the obnoxious tomahawk chop and the accompanying chant that comes right out of the 70's western tv shows. And again, in the college ranks, why is it right that Florida State can continue to use Seminoles, and Illinois can continue to use Illini, while North Dakota State had to get rid of "Fighting Sioux" and Marquette had to get rid of "Warriors?" |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 23, 2020 14:34:25 GMT -8
Can’t believe I’m reading that you are equating Aztecs with native Americans. Where have you been? That controversy has been adjudicated numerous times over the decades I’ve lived in SD. Simply stated there is no connection between native Americans and a sect of meso Americans that disappeared over 700 years ago from present day Southern Mexico. The current dustup is mostly focused on dishonoring civil war era men, not the threadbare Native American team names , is it not? The point I was trying to make was that we're in an era where everything is apparently offensive, and a question of where do you jump off the soapbox? Now suddenly Eskimo Pies are offensive and that brand name is going to change. We can argue until we're blue in the face over what the definition of Native Americans is and whether or not "Aztecs" falls into that category. I agree that it doesn't - EXCEPT that there are bands of Native Americans who live in and around San Diego who are direct descendants of the Aztecs, so there are people who may not necessarily agree. You did, after all, have to get rid of Monty and go with the more politically correct "Aztec Warrior." Again, I'm not trying to start the argument of whether your mascot should be changed or not - I don't have a horse in that race. It does fall on the same slippery slope though - if the NCAA were to proclaim no more Native American mascots, period, then I would suspect that right, wrong, or indifferent, SDSU would be included in that proclamation. Pro sports teams: There are tons. Washington Redskins, Chicago Blackhawks, Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians just to name a few. At least two of those use the obnoxious tomahawk chop and the accompanying chant that comes right out of the 70's western tv shows. And again, in the college ranks, why is it right that Florida State can continue to use Seminoles, and Illinois can continue to use Illini, while North Dakota State had to get rid of "Fighting Sioux" and Marquette had to get rid of "Warriors?" Confederate Rebels were traitors to the United States. They were fighting for the right to enslave other Human beings. They should not be honored in any way. Class dismissed. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jun 23, 2020 15:47:28 GMT -8
The point I was trying to make was that we're in an era where everything is apparently offensive, and a question of where do you jump off the soapbox? Now suddenly Eskimo Pies are offensive and that brand name is going to change. We can argue until we're blue in the face over what the definition of Native Americans is and whether or not "Aztecs" falls into that category. I agree that it doesn't - EXCEPT that there are bands of Native Americans who live in and around San Diego who are direct descendants of the Aztecs, so there are people who may not necessarily agree. You did, after all, have to get rid of Monty and go with the more politically correct "Aztec Warrior." Again, I'm not trying to start the argument of whether your mascot should be changed or not - I don't have a horse in that race. It does fall on the same slippery slope though - if the NCAA were to proclaim no more Native American mascots, period, then I would suspect that right, wrong, or indifferent, SDSU would be included in that proclamation. Pro sports teams: There are tons. Washington Redskins, Chicago Blackhawks, Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians just to name a few. At least two of those use the obnoxious tomahawk chop and the accompanying chant that comes right out of the 70's western tv shows. And again, in the college ranks, why is it right that Florida State can continue to use Seminoles, and Illinois can continue to use Illini, while North Dakota State had to get rid of "Fighting Sioux" and Marquette had to get rid of "Warriors?" Confederate Rebels were traitors to the United States. They were fighting for the right to enslave other Human beings. They should not be honored in any way. Class dismissed. Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. |
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Post by panammaniac on Jun 23, 2020 15:51:31 GMT -8
Confederate Rebels were traitors to the United States. They were fighting for the right to enslave other Human beings. They should not be honored in any way. Class dismissed. Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. This, exactly. Read up on Robert E. Lee and some of the things he did to help rebuild the nation after the war. And he never was pro slavery. That's where the anomaly comes in. The war wasn't entirely about slavery, although that was likely the powder keg that set it off. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 23, 2020 15:55:32 GMT -8
Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. This, exactly. Read up on Robert E. Lee and some of the things he did to help rebuild the nation after the war. And he never was pro slavery. That's where the anomaly comes in. The war wasn't entirely about slavery, although that was likely the powder keg that set it off. I stand by my statement and I am very educated on history thank you very much. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 23, 2020 16:05:16 GMT -8
Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. This, exactly. Read up on Robert E. Lee and some of the things he did to help rebuild the nation after the war. And he never was pro slavery. That's where the anomaly comes in. The war wasn't entirely about slavery, although that was likely the powder keg that set it off. Sorry but your statement about REL is flat out wrong. Not sure where you heard that but it's not even close to the truth. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 24, 2020 14:55:48 GMT -8
Once you are able to understand why current German military aircraft still wear the iron cross, just like the ones used in WW2...and why current Japanese military aircraft are still adorned with the rising sun, just as they were when they attacked Pearl Harbor, you may gain a better understanding of the concept of reconciliation with your enemy. Virtually everyone who fought in our civil war was an American before the war, and those who survived were all Americans following the war. Reconciliation seemed to work and reunited a nation, well, until today’s extremists decided that nothing can ever be forgiven. Well, at least no one else’s sins can be forgiven. This is what happens when children are never encouraged, or required, to grow up. This, exactly. Read up on Robert E. Lee and some of the things he did to help rebuild the nation after the war. And he never was pro slavery. That's where the anomaly comes in. The war wasn't entirely about slavery, although that was likely the powder keg that set it off. There's no doubt he helped in nation rebuilding after the war, and his views on slavery were much less extreme than most of his Confederate counterparts, but I don't believe you can designate him as anti-slavery. His family did own slaves after all.... www.smithsonianmag.com/history/making-sense-of-robert-e-lee-85017563/(excerpt) During the postbellum century, when Americans North and South decided to embrace R. E. Lee as a national as well as a Southern hero, he was generally described as antislavery. This assumption rests not on any public position he took but on a passage in an 1856 letter to his wife. The passage begins: “In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages.” But he goes on: “I think it however a greater evil to the white than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.”The old racist trope that 'us whites will make your lives better whether you agree to it or not'. Kidnap and profit. |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2020 11:51:17 GMT -8
They should just go with Yosemite Sam as a new mascot and call it a day. Can't, he sports guns.  |
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Post by sleepy on Jun 25, 2020 15:09:58 GMT -8
+1 And SDSU eventually as well. At the end of the day, a nickname / mascot is pretty meaningless. UNLV will be fine. At the end of the day, academia is full of liberal educators who have spines like over cooked linguine. The Dems (historically) have supported Native American extermination, slavery, The KKK, segregation, Japanese American internment and a host of other abominable institutions, including secession in 1860...rebels....on second thought they should probably keep the name. How can any educator with a even an ounce of intellectual integrity align with such historical malpractice? Allow their institutions to become overrun with such socialist nonsense? I’ll give the liberals credit, they are clever, but in the end....mentally disordered. Holy crap. This is your worst take ever -- and that's saying something. And it only took you one paragraph to get there! So let's turn your myopic historical account on its head, and instead join the "here and now"... The GOP (here and now) support Native American extermination, slavery, The KKK, segregation, child internment and a host of other abominable institutions, including Confederate flag-waving "jews will not replace us" marchers, repeated mass-murder by semi-automatic weapons, the suppression of scientific data on a number of issues including catastrophic climate change and Covid, and voter-suppression. How can any human with a pulse and even an ounce of intellectual integrity align with such current malpractice as the Trump Administration? Allow their institutions to become overrun with such racist nonsense in the modern day? I’ll give the liberals credit, they are on the right side of an arc of history that bends towards justice. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 25, 2020 15:45:57 GMT -8
They should just go with Yosemite Sam as a new mascot and call it a day. Can't, he sports guns. They took away his and Elmer Fuds guns. All good. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 25, 2020 17:02:30 GMT -8
The UNLV situation comes across as absurd. Nevada didn't even exist during the Civil War, and it's pretty clearly stated by the school that the Rebel mascot is in reference to UNLV being an extension campus to Reno. They may have had a mascot vaguely resembling a Confederate general at one time, but that was rectified years ago. Your understanding of history isn't what you think it is. Having grown up in Nevada's capital city, we studied a great deal of Nevada history. Nevada not only became a state DURING the Civil War, but also BECAUSE of the Civil War. The motto on the Nevada state flag is BATTLE BORN. Every Nevadan knows that. The state was inducted into the Union on Oct. 31, 1864, a significant date because it was just in time to enable the citizens of Nevada to vote, and also to funnel the riches of the Comstock Lode in Virginia City into the Union coffers. Lincoln was in a very tight race to win a second term in the spring of 1864. The war was dragging on and going badly for the North. Gettysburg was a disaster. Then two things happened that turned the tide and secured the election for Lincoln. First, Grant and Sherman marched into Atlanta in Sept. 1864 after a bloody four-month siege, a decisive victory that turned the tide of the war and broke the South's back. Second, Nevada entered the Union, helping to buttress the Union treasury and providing additional votes to secure Lincoln's second term. There is zero chance that the yahoos in Vegas didn't know this when some wise guy thought it would be cute to name UNLV the Rebels. The name was dumb then and it's dumb now. It should be kicked to the curb. |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2020 17:59:29 GMT -8
Can't, he sports guns. They took away his and Elmer Fuds guns. All good. Yes, I feel safer already. |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2020 18:02:44 GMT -8
At the end of the day, academia is full of liberal educators who have spines like over cooked linguine. The Dems (historically) have supported Native American extermination, slavery, The KKK, segregation, Japanese American internment and a host of other abominable institutions, including secession in 1860...rebels....on second thought they should probably keep the name. How can any educator with a even an ounce of intellectual integrity align with such historical malpractice? Allow their institutions to become overrun with such socialist nonsense? I’ll give the liberals credit, they are clever, but in the end....mentally disordered. Holy crap. This is your worst take ever -- and that's saying something. And it only took you one paragraph to get there! So let's turn your myopic historical account on its head, and instead join the "here and now"... The GOP (here and now) support Native American extermination, slavery, The KKK, segregation, child internment and a host of other abominable institutions, including Confederate flag-waving "jews will not replace us" marchers, repeated mass-murder by semi-automatic weapons, the suppression of scientific data on a number of issues including catastrophic climate change and Covid, and voter-suppression. How can any human with a pulse and even an ounce of intellectual integrity align with such current malpractice as the Trump Administration? Allow their institutions to become overrun with such racist nonsense in the modern day? I’ll give the liberals credit, they are on the right side of an arc of history that bends towards justice. LOL. As the saying goes, if you are not a liberal by the age of 18 you don't have a heart and if you are not a conservative at the age of 35 you have no brain. Still accurate as hell. By the way, if you think your ability to rationalize things isn't blinded by your own biases then you are as dumb as you think those who disagree with you are. |
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jun 25, 2020 18:05:35 GMT -8
So, Nevada guy, away from politics, back to the thread, what should unlv rename? Not that you care. I can see how you feel about them , as in So Nev. A planet apart from Battle Born. I enjoy that flag when your captain leads the team across the field here in SD. Again this past season.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 26, 2020 5:24:43 GMT -8
So, Nevada guy, away from politics, back to the thread, what should unlv rename? Not that you care. I can see how you feel about them , as in So Nev. A planet apart from Battle Born. I enjoy that flag when your captain leads the team across the field here in SD. Again this past season. Lighten up, Francis. A few things: 1) I have two degrees from SDSU and have lived in San Diego since coming here for college many moons ago. 2) Yes, I know about Northern and Southern Nevada. I grew up in Carson City and Winnemucca, but worked summers in Vegas while attending SDSU. And as a kid, I saw Evel Knievel jump the fountain at Caeser's Palace. (actually, I couldn't really see him because I was too short, which was probably best anyway since he broke some 60 bones on that disastrous attempt.) Further, my dad was the District Mgr. for the BLM (govt. agency, not social protest movement) in Las Vegas for about a decade. He was instrumental in getting Red Rock Canyon turned into a National Conservation Area and a major tourist site. He also had guns pointed at him by Cliven Bundy & Co. As for an appropriate name for UNLV, there's an entire galaxy of names to choose from, many of which have been posted on another thread. You could go with a gambling motif, of course, or any number of local flora, fauna, historical figure, geographic point, etc. -- anything but a has-been name from a traitorous uprising imported from a region of the country 2,000 miles away. |
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