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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 13:58:11 GMT -8
I looked at the video's you posted. Are the first three from the protests/riots? The first one is why people get pissed at the police. But we don't see any of the lead up. Did the officer get charged? The second one, again, no lead up and he is clearly resisting at the end of the video. The third one, again, she is resisting arrest. Could the officer have subdued her 'nicer', I guess so, but he still would be using force. The other three, have two with an older guy getting pushed back and falling. In one case, the guy is walking toward the officers that are moving the crowd back, in the other he is just standing there. Not great for the police, but come on man....In the first, they try and help the guy up. In the second they don't, which makes it worse. The last one, I have no idea what is actually happening. As far as the 450 on google doc, I watched the first 10. We have a different view of what police brutality looks like. Many are police responding to protesters being aggressive or not moving when they should. Put yourself in the police's shoes and see how you would deal with their job. BTW have you seen anyone put together a video of all the positive interactions police had with protestors? Good points. The police have to be on guard at all times. They have been a victim of senseless attacks as well. There are good and cops.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 14:17:53 GMT -8
Why would police go from kneeing to tear gas within an hour? BTW Buffalo police officers are going to be charged with assault. Because they aren't accountable to anyone in a lot of cases, hiding behind union protection and the prosecutorial difficulties of the badge. Why are they attacking peaceful protesters? If you can't handle taking the high road against unarmed civilians, you shouldn't carry a badge.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 14:22:42 GMT -8
Why would police go from kneeing to tear gas within an hour? BTW Buffalo police officers are going to be charged with assault. Because they aren't accountable to anyone in a lot of cases, hiding behind union protection and the prosecutorial difficulties of the badge. Why are they attacking peaceful protesters? If you can't handle taking the high road against unarmed civilians, you shouldn't carry a badge.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 14:26:32 GMT -8
Or maybe the officers are reacting to something the protesters are doing....that is, they are not acting peacefully.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 14:32:49 GMT -8
Or maybe the officers are reacting to something the protesters are doing....that is, they are not acting peacefully. The standard is MUCH higher on the side of the badge. Giving a cop the middle finger (as seen in Minneapolis) does not allow for the use of driveby tear gas/pepper bullets/other force. Knocking an elderly man to the ground and then stepping over him, compounding that with an erroneous statement...is unlawful behavior and has to be eliminated.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 14:43:59 GMT -8
Well, we have a little common ground then. I agree, the standard is higher (but we are all human). Stepping over the injured man was wrong.
Hopefully, we both agree that violent acts towards officers is wrong too.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 14:47:22 GMT -8
Well, we have a little common ground then. I agree, the standard is higher (but we are all human). Stepping over the injured man was wrong. Hopefully, we both agree that violent acts towards officers is wrong too. Common ground on both sides would be great for all parties. Justice needs to be served for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and many, many others.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 14:51:46 GMT -8
Well, we have a little common ground then. I agree, the standard is higher (but we are all human). Stepping over the injured man was wrong. Hopefully, we both agree that violent acts towards officers is wrong too. There's simply peaceful protesters, and also looters/rioters/instigators. There's also good cops, and bad cops. The end result is what you're seeing. You see the bad cops doing bad things, and vice versa. It's a tumultuous situation.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 14:56:20 GMT -8
Well, we have a little common ground then. I agree, the standard is higher (but we are all human). Stepping over the injured man was wrong. Hopefully, we both agree that violent acts towards officers is wrong too. Common ground on both sides would be great for all parties. Justice needs to be served for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and many, many others. Yes, there quickly needs to be a resolution to the lack of accountability with the bad cops. That to me is the biggest issue. The quicker they announce that they've come up with a new protocol, such as three strikes and you're fired depending on the severity, the quicker maybe some peace can happen.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 16:08:37 GMT -8
Well, we have a little common ground then. I agree, the standard is higher (but we are all human). Stepping over the injured man was wrong. Hopefully, we both agree that violent acts towards officers is wrong too. Common ground on both sides would be great for all parties. Justice needs to be served for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and many, many others. And justice for those that got stolen from, attacked by, and had their property damaged by rioters...
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 16:15:15 GMT -8
Common ground on both sides would be great for all parties. Justice needs to be served for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and many, many others. And justice for those that got stolen from, attacked by, and had their property damaged by rioters... If you think those two things are equal...
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 16:41:06 GMT -8
How so?
Oh, I miss understood what you said...
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 16:45:06 GMT -8
Two things are rarely completely equal.
They are similar in that they both require justice.
They are dissimilar in that one is caused by those that should protect us, the other by citizens.
Don't you want justice for those that got stolen from, attacked by, and had their property damaged by rioters???
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 17:07:09 GMT -8
Two things are rarely completely equal. They are similar in that they both require justice. They are dissimilar in that one is caused by those that should protect us, the other by citizens. Don't you want justice for those that got stolen from, attacked by, and had their property damaged by rioters??? Loss of property is covered by insurance in most cases. While unfortunate in circumstance, I wholeheartedly put a much higher emphasis on racial oppression, prejudice and systemic abuses on people who can no longer defend themselves and who simply cannot be rebuilt. There is no rebuilding Breonna Taylor's life, murdered at 26 by law enforcement serving a no knock warrant at the wrong residence. Purposefully, while I empathize with those who suffered broken windows, graffiti and other vandalism, I'm more worried about an unchecked racial divide in a broken justice system that prosecutes people of privilege differently.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 17:12:08 GMT -8
So the answer is No?
How about the people that got murdered or assaulted by rioters?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 17:20:57 GMT -8
So the answer is No? How about the people that got murdered or assaulted by rioters? I'm aware of 1 person, David Dorn, who was reportedly murdered by looters. His life of service mattered, yes. An avoidable tragedy if we had equal justice and had police officers not murdered George Floyd. It seems like some people in general care more about the reverse.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 17:46:25 GMT -8
Dude.... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? I care about both. Both are wrong. Both deserve justice. Since you are so passionate about the issue, you should know how many Police officers have been killed, seriously injured and just injured during the riots. It will help you in your quest for a more just society. Also, it would be a good idea to understand the amount of property damage that has occurred and the effects on the owners and employees. You could even get a google doc and make a list of all the violent actions against the police (and citizens). Share it with your friends so they will have a more balanced view. Have you seen the video of David Dorn?
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 17:46:52 GMT -8
So the answer is No? How about the people that got murdered or assaulted by rioters? I'm aware of 1 person, David Dorn, who was reportedly murdered by looters. His life of service mattered, yes. An avoidable tragedy if we had equal justice and had police officers not murdered George Floyd. It seems like some people in general care more about the reverse. Ryan, you're not looking very good here. If you look at your posts, you seem so very insensitive to others that had their lives turned upside down. It doesn't equal losing your life, but is it so hard for you to acknowledge the fact that people who have lost their businesses, or who were attacked physically by rioters also need justice? Come on man.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 17:49:47 GMT -8
Dude.... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? I care about both. Both are wrong. Both deserve justice. Since you are so passionate about the issue, you should know how many Police officers have been killed, seriously injured and just injured during the riots. It will help you in your quest for a more just society. Also, it would be a good idea to understand the amount of property damage that has occurred and the effects on the owners and employees. You could even get a google doc and make a list of all the violent actions against the police (and citizens). Share it with your friends so they will have a more balanced view. Have you seen the video of David Dorn? You are absolutely right. If someone feels like they can't acknowledge the fact that both deserve justice, then I think the person can be considered radicalized.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 17:51:24 GMT -8
Dude.... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? I care about both. Both are wrong. Both deserve justice. Since you are so passionate about the issue, you should know how many Police officers have been killed, seriously injured and just injured during the riots. It will help you in your quest for a more just society. Also, it would be a good idea to understand the amount of property damage that has occurred and the effects on the owners and employees. You could even get a google doc and make a list of all the violent actions against the police (and citizens). Share it with your friends so they will have a more balanced view. Have you seen the video of David Dorn? ....I am very aware. And have said repeatedly that I don't condone looting, arson or anything of that sort. In fact I just said I empathize with those who have had their businesses damaged or hurt. It's very unfortunate that people took advantage of a situation like this to cause mayhem when the point of this was to underscore police brutality against African Americans.
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