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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 17:54:10 GMT -8
I'm aware of 1 person, David Dorn, who was reportedly murdered by looters. His life of service mattered, yes. An avoidable tragedy if we had equal justice and had police officers not murdered George Floyd. It seems like some people in general care more about the reverse. Ryan, you're not looking very good here. If you look at your posts, you seem so very insensitive to others that had their lives turned upside down. It doesn't equal losing your life, but is it so hard for you to acknowledge the fact that people who have lost their businesses, or who were attacked physically by rioters also need justice? Come on man. I don't really care how I look, to be honest. I acknowledged (multiple times) that I empathize with property and business owners. However, I am more concerned about the loss of innocent life that systematically occurs without accountability or justice. If you're more concerned about property being damaged, you're missing the forest for the trees.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 17:55:41 GMT -8
Great. Once again, common ground. I think there is a lot of common ground against police brutality / racism and against rioting / assaulting police.
Hopefully good comes out of all this...
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 18:00:30 GMT -8
Great. Once again, common ground. I think there is a lot of common ground against police brutality / racism and against rioting / assaulting police. Hopefully good comes out of all this... Starts at the ground level. A lot of people like myself don't have to live in fear of being pulled over, or profiled. But we need to educate and humanize as much as we can. I didn't really understand that until I saw how powerful this movement is. I think back to earlier times and how barely 50 years ago, lynching was common in the south. Humanity needs to take a leap forward.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 18:10:56 GMT -8
Great. Once again, common ground. I think there is a lot of common ground against police brutality / racism and against rioting / assaulting police. Hopefully good comes out of all this... Starts at the ground level. A lot of people like myself don't have to live in fear of being pulled over, or profiled. But we need to educate and humanize as much as we can. I didn't really understand that until I saw how powerful this movement is. I think back to earlier times and how barely 50 years ago, lynching was common in the south. Humanity needs to take a leap forward. My best friend is African-American and also the Godfather of my children. He's been pulled over for being black, that's it. It was obvious that they were only concerned that a black guy is driving a nice BMW, which he only uses when meeting clients. Despicable. My eyes have been opened for quite some time after hearing stories from him. He doesn't go around announcing this, only those that are close to him, but he definitely lets the Police force know that he was handled poorly at the time. Very sad.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 18:15:58 GMT -8
Ryan, you're not looking very good here. If you look at your posts, you seem so very insensitive to others that had their lives turned upside down. It doesn't equal losing your life, but is it so hard for you to acknowledge the fact that people who have lost their businesses, or who were attacked physically by rioters also need justice? Come on man. I don't really care how I look, to be honest. I acknowledged (multiple times) that I empathize with property and business owners. However, I am more concerned about the loss of innocent life that systematically occurs without accountability or justice. If you're more concerned about property being damaged, you're missing the forest for the trees. Of course murder is more of a concern for me. I just choose to always acknowledge in my posts that I'm definitely concerned with both, when asked. It's not that hard, and don't worry, it wouldn't affect yours, or my narrative to acknowledge it.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 7, 2020 19:39:47 GMT -8
Beware of the idiotic false moral equivalencies at play here. When you drill into it, the prevailing excuses for violence and mayhem in the name of George Floyd is as tortured as the reasons given by Osama Bin Laden's "Letter to America" in the wake of the 9/11 attack.
The only people that deserves to receive righteous justice for the George Floyd murder are the perpetrators themselves. Not one, and I repeat not one, of the victims of the subsequent riot's murder and mayhem wanted George killed, not one assisted in George's killing, not one was against reforms that protesters were demanding, not one was against their right to peacefully protest, and so on. Not one. And all innocent.
The ludicrous observation noting that if George Floyd wasn't murdered then so and so wouldn't have been murdered is the rankest of rationalizations.
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Post by tuff on Jun 8, 2020 15:39:24 GMT -8
Meanwhile, Chicago has 18 murders in 24 hours. And they want to reduce the police! What a stupid joke.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 8, 2020 17:20:27 GMT -8
Meanwhile, Chicago has 18 murders in 24 hours. And they want to reduce the police! What a stupid joke. "They" want to rebuild a police force that has accountability to the public.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 8, 2020 17:56:04 GMT -8
Meanwhile, Chicago has 18 murders in 24 hours. And they want to reduce the police! What a stupid joke. "They" want to rebuild a police force that has accountability to the public. So are you saying that Unions corrupt organizations that are supposed to provide service and are accountable to their "customers"? Happens in more than Police Departments.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 8, 2020 17:59:12 GMT -8
"They" want to rebuild a police force that has accountability to the public. So are you saying that Unions corrupt organizations that are supposed to provide service and are accountable to their "customers"? Happens in more than Police Departments. Pretty sure my comments were already made on this. Building a department of accountability is the only way to end the brutality and violence. Tear it down and fix it.
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Post by tuff on Jun 8, 2020 18:19:52 GMT -8
Meanwhile, Chicago has 18 murders in 24 hours. And they want to reduce the police! What a stupid joke. "They" want to rebuild a police force that has accountability to the public. Hogwash. If they Defund the cops, a helluva lot more blacks would die. BLM wants this, not for reforms, but to push their Marxist agenda. Let’s just take the cops in Minneapolis and give them the month of July off and see what happens.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 8, 2020 18:25:33 GMT -8
So are you saying that Unions corrupt organizations that are supposed to provide service and are accountable to their "customers"? Happens in more than Police Departments. Pretty sure my comments were already made on this. Building a department of accountability is the only way to end the brutality and violence. Tear it down and fix it. The PDs in the US are designed to be color blind in their operation. While some PDs are not perfect in that pursuit, statistics (as the facts in the Larry Elder clip) show that they generally are or are improving toward that end. But if the woke child mob revises the PD's charter to be objectively race conscious (which they will), there is no telling what unintended consequences will occur long term. Imposing systemic racism at the city level as penance for the errors of a few individuals is problematic. And if you think there is anti-black racist policies in current big city PDs, why didn't all the blacks and liberals that control all those big cities do something about that earlier?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 8, 2020 19:03:32 GMT -8
"They" want to rebuild a police force that has accountability to the public. Hogwash. If they Defund the cops, a helluva lot more blacks would die. BLM wants this, not for reforms, but to push their Marxist agenda. Let’s just take the cops in Minneapolis and give them the month of July off and see what happens. Yeah, this is total insanity.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 9, 2020 12:08:41 GMT -8
Reform works.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 9, 2020 12:25:10 GMT -8
The 19 people who were murdered, the many hundreds injured, the countless others who lost their livelihoods and the public at large would agree with that.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2020 8:27:58 GMT -8
What a farce.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 11, 2020 11:45:21 GMT -8
Link: The ‘Autonomous Zone’ In Seattle Is A Harbinger Of America’s FutureTwo perspectives of the same reality (from the article): Assistant Police Chief of the Criminal Investigations Bureau Deanna Nollette said, “We have heard anecdotally reports of citizens and businesses being asked to pay a fee to operate within this area.” Nolette added, “There is no legal right for those arms to be used to intimidate community members. This is the crime of extortion." The New York Times had a differing perspective reporting, “What has emerged is an experiment in life without the police—part street festival, part commune. Hundreds have gathered to hear speeches, poetry and music. On Tuesday night, dozens of people sat in the middle of an intersection to watch 13th, the Ava DuVernay film about the criminal justice system’s impact on African-Americans. On Wednesday, children made chalk drawings in the middle of the street.” ![:rolleyes](//storage.proboards.com/2927646/images/4N3y21LHkMeUS7tigeMu.gif) Now they are posting images of abuse on fellow protestors by those who appointed themselves as the zone's authority. Stange how power corrupts regardless the race of the person in charge.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 11, 2020 15:21:08 GMT -8
Link: The ‘Autonomous Zone’ In Seattle Is A Harbinger Of America’s FutureTwo perspectives of the same reality (from the article): Assistant Police Chief of the Criminal Investigations Bureau Deanna Nollette said, “We have heard anecdotally reports of citizens and businesses being asked to pay a fee to operate within this area.” Nolette added, “There is no legal right for those arms to be used to intimidate community members. This is the crime of extortion." The New York Times had a differing perspective reporting, “What has emerged is an experiment in life without the police—part street festival, part commune. Hundreds have gathered to hear speeches, poetry and music. On Tuesday night, dozens of people sat in the middle of an intersection to watch 13th, the Ava DuVernay film about the criminal justice system’s impact on African-Americans. On Wednesday, children made chalk drawings in the middle of the street.” ![:rolleyes](//storage.proboards.com/2927646/images/4N3y21LHkMeUS7tigeMu.gif) Now they are posting images of abuse on fellow protestors by those who appointed themselves as the zone's authority. Stange how power corrupts regardless the race of the person in charge. This Seattle situation could soon well define all the primary players in the post George Floyd era (~Peacefull protesters, anarchists (BLM, Antifa), Police, Dem pols, Trump Admin). The right to peacefully assemble is no longer in play here. Citizens are being abused and denied rights by BLM/Antifa types (effectively being extorted at gun point). Only George Washington gives up power unilaterally, so this will come down to a show down soon. If state and local Dems do nothing, it will point to their national party as totally feckless or being passive accomplices. If local Police are asked to go in and clear them out, they may refuse because they have no backing from local Pols. Or if they agree to go in, the woke child mob might grow and it will become a fiasco. If the WA Gov sends in the national guard to clear them out, that will create a huge riff in the Dem party and MSM as that will come across as the Gov working with Trump. And if Trump loses patience with the mayor, Gov and local PD, he may activate the national guard to protect the rights of the local citizens. That will launch the claim of victimhood at all leftist outlets but it will also help Trump nationwide as no one really wants a war lord setting up shop in their city or neighborhood and no one really respects cowardice in the face of lawlessness. After all, how many times have we heard some say "No one is above the law"?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 12, 2020 9:56:53 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 17, 2020 12:04:49 GMT -8
This does not happen without protests, video footage and social empowerment.
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