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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2020 9:35:33 GMT -8
Definitely more than a few. I'm sure if they investigated every cities police department, the amount of corruption, and lack of accountability would be very eye opening. Start with Minneapolis. The saddest part lf this is without George Floyd's murder caught on video, none of this would be happening. It would get swept under the rug like the vast majority of incidents of this nature. It took 3 months for Ahmaud Arbery's murderers to even be formally charged. Gross miscarriages of justice. I sure hope the good that will come out of this will be a change to policy with Police depts. Depending on the nature of the complaints, a three strikes and you're out should be implemented. Of course in some cases one incident would call for termination, but three times should show a pattern and warrant termination.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 10:06:09 GMT -8
Aztecryan do you really believe we live in a "police state"? When you have peaceful protesters getting assaulted by police, unchecked balances of power in Washington with police wearing no badges, insignia or lettering to define who/where they belong to and systemic indifference to acts of violence behind the badge, yes, I kinda do. See Buffalo, Los Angeles and other places. Is it black and white? Of course not. Is there a serious issue with accountability and integrity of serve and protect? Absolutely. So the answer is no, we do not live in a police state. But you believe there are serious accountability and integrity issues.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 10:12:25 GMT -8
Do you think overall how the police have responded to the protests and riots demonstrates accountability and integrity issues?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 7, 2020 10:19:13 GMT -8
www.joshwho.net/btch-singer-meredith-brooks-rips-garcetti-all-my-artists-friends-in-la-bought-guns/amp/The left has dropped this steaming turd on our laps and on purpose, perhaps. Emptying prisons/jails, not enforcing petty crime (see "smash and grab" San Francisco even before these riots), bail reform puts the criminals back out on the street the next day. And the hypocrisy of enforcing Covid restrictions on some people but refusing to protect the lives, bodies and property of others because the crimes were being committed within the context of a leftist supported crime wave is obvious. They can't guarantee your safety, they increase your risk from the criminal element but they also try to take away your right to conceal/carry for your own protection, for example. Nothing to see here, move along. So even middle class liberals are buying guns now to protect themselves from the lawless in this so called "police state". The leftist elites won't let this stand forever as it will soon come to their doorsteps. And what will they do? They will look to China for their solutions and place cameras everywhere, monitor every aspect of your life via digital means and use social credit monitoring to shut down anti-social behavior. So much better than a police force and you can force people to think and act in a preferred way. Just a Win Win. Still, no one can really refute the following other than saying "but, but, but Orange Man bad". m.youtube.com/watch?v=phPXTWJhnYM I mean, I can refute it...but you wouldn't get it anyway. "Leftist elites"....Lol. Get a grip, you sound like a nut. Got it... Orange Man bad and attack the messenger for pointing out the facts to the contrary. But do try to address the reasons for the universal fear brought about by the left's decisions to reduce our security, the hypocrisy of different standards of law enforcement based on the politics of the day, and prove that police are perpetrating increased "systemic" racism as it is actually being reduced among them. I'll wait but doubt it can go beyond "Orange Man bad" and attacking the messenger because, of course, what else does the left do now when in a debate?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 10:23:51 GMT -8
Do you think overall how the police have responded to the protests and riots demonstrates accountability and integrity issues? ...Yes.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 10:34:28 GMT -8
I mean, I can refute it...but you wouldn't get it anyway. "Leftist elites"....Lol. Get a grip, you sound like a nut. Got it... Orange Man bad and attack the messenger for pointing out the facts to the contrary. But do try to address the reasons for the universal fear brought about by the left's decisions to reduce our security, the hypocrisy of different standards of law enforcement based on the politics of the day, and prove that police are perpetrating increased "systemic" racism as it is actually being reduced among them. I'll wait but doubt it can go beyond "Orange Man bad" and attacking the messenger because, of course, what else does the left do now when in a debate? No, you don't "got it"....You use repeated trigger words that have no bearing in reality. TDS people can't explain their argument or articulate their position. I've probably given...100? Or more examples of the recklessness, cowardice and dangerous behavior coming from the fragile egomaniac in Washington, hiding in his bunker while assassinating the character of the actual brave men who fought in combat all over the world. I'm not attacking you, I'm calling out your tired, boring drivel that perpetuates a myth of talking points off the Trump teleprompter. Sorry, I have a mind of my own and don't subscribe to your asinine theories. In a debate? This isn't a debate. Trump is likely to go down as one of the worst presidents in history. He has no leadership ability whatsoever, no integrity to the oath he swore to uphold and a reprehensible, impeached coward. scri.siena.edu/2019/02/13/sienas-6th-presidential-expert-poll-1982-2018/
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 7, 2020 11:07:15 GMT -8
Got it... Orange Man bad and attack the messenger for pointing out the facts to the contrary. But do try to address the reasons for the universal fear brought about by the left's decisions to reduce our security, the hypocrisy of different standards of law enforcement based on the politics of the day, and prove that police are perpetrating increased "systemic" racism as it is actually being reduced among them. I'll wait but doubt it can go beyond "Orange Man bad" and attacking the messenger because, of course, what else does the left do now when in a debate? No, you don't "got it"....You use repeated trigger words that have no bearing in reality. TDS people can't explain their argument or articulate their position. I've probably given...100? Or more examples of the recklessness, cowardice and dangerous behavior coming from the fragile egomaniac in Washington, hiding in his bunker while assassinating the character of the actual brave men who fought in combat all over the world. I'm not attacking you, I'm calling out your tired, boring drivel that perpetuates a myth of talking points off the Trump teleprompter. Sorry, I have a mind of my own and don't subscribe to your asinine theories. In a debate? This isn't a debate. Trump is likely to go down as one of the worst presidents in history. He has no leadership ability whatsoever, no integrity to the oath he swore to uphold and a reprehensible, impeached coward. scri.siena.edu/2019/02/13/sienas-6th-presidential-expert-poll-1982-2018/See...Orange Man bad and it is also about me. Mind numbingly predictable. Look at the faux outrage and the left having a little bird when Senator Cotton offered this editorial which was entirely true. www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.amp.htmlThe digital book burners failed to act fast enough to halt this spread of unauthorized thinking. Oh the humanity! .
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 11:28:01 GMT -8
No, you don't "got it"....You use repeated trigger words that have no bearing in reality. TDS people can't explain their argument or articulate their position. I've probably given...100? Or more examples of the recklessness, cowardice and dangerous behavior coming from the fragile egomaniac in Washington, hiding in his bunker while assassinating the character of the actual brave men who fought in combat all over the world. I'm not attacking you, I'm calling out your tired, boring drivel that perpetuates a myth of talking points off the Trump teleprompter. Sorry, I have a mind of my own and don't subscribe to your asinine theories. In a debate? This isn't a debate. Trump is likely to go down as one of the worst presidents in history. He has no leadership ability whatsoever, no integrity to the oath he swore to uphold and a reprehensible, impeached coward. scri.siena.edu/2019/02/13/sienas-6th-presidential-expert-poll-1982-2018/See...Orange Man bad and it is also about me. Mind numbingly predictable. Look at the faux outrage and the left having a little bird when Senator Cotton offered this editorial which was entirely true. www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.amp.htmlThe digital book burners failed to act fast enough to halt this spread of unauthorized thinking. Oh the humanity! . Just not worth it. Sorry. Seek some help, please.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 7, 2020 11:37:52 GMT -8
Just not worth it. Sorry. Seek some help, please. A child mob member not able to deal with facts contrary to the SJW pablum that they have been weaned. youtu.be/dbptOqR_aLg
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 11:51:33 GMT -8
Do you think overall how the police have responded to the protests and riots demonstrates accountability and integrity issues? ...Yes. That is interesting. We are looking at the same thing, but seeing two different things. I would say overall, the police have done an amazing job of restrain in the face of intense hostility.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 11:59:12 GMT -8
Do you agree with what Antifa is doing?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 12:06:37 GMT -8
That is interesting. We are looking at the same thing, but seeing two different things. I would say overall, the police have done an amazing job of restrain in the face of intense hostility. Then you're either not paying attention....or being dishonest.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 12:08:50 GMT -8
Documented incidents during protests. Nearly 500 of them.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 12:36:09 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on Jun 7, 2020 12:41:53 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 12:44:55 GMT -8
Do you agree with what Antifa is doing? Far deeper than one group. Anyone who believes this is the work of one "organization" is ignoring reality.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 13:43:43 GMT -8
I looked at the video's you posted. Are the first three from the protests/riots?
The first one is why people get pissed at the police. But we don't see any of the lead up. Did the officer get charged? The second one, again, no lead up and he is clearly resisting at the end of the video. The third one, again, she is resisting arrest. Could the officer have subdued her 'nicer', I guess so, but he still would be using force.
The other three, have two with an older guy getting pushed back and falling. In one case, the guy is walking toward the officers that are moving the crowd back, in the other he is just standing there. Not great for the police, but come on man....In the first, they try and help the guy up. In the second they don't, which makes it worse.
The last one, I have no idea what is actually happening.
As far as the 450 on google doc, I watched the first 10. We have a different view of what police brutality looks like. Many are police responding to protesters being aggressive or not moving when they should.
Put yourself in the police's shoes and see how you would deal with their job.
BTW have you seen anyone put together a video of all the positive interactions police had with protestors?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 7, 2020 13:51:39 GMT -8
Expected to be replaced by the Ministry of State Security, so we are good
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2020 13:54:15 GMT -8
I looked at the video's you posted. Are the first three from the protests/riots? The first one is why people get pissed at the police. But we don't see any of the lead up. Did the officer get charged? The second one, again, no lead up and he is clearly resisting at the end of the video. The third one, again, she is resisting arrest. Could the officer have subdued her 'nicer', I guess so, but he still would be using force. The other three, have two with an older guy getting pushed back and falling. In one case, the guy is walking toward the officers that are moving the crowd back, in the other he is just standing there. Not great for the police, but come on man....In the first, they try and help the guy up. In the second they don't, which makes it worse. The last one, I have no idea what is actually happening. As far as the 450 on google doc, I watched the first 10. We have a different view of what police brutality looks like. Many are police responding to protesters being aggressive or not moving when they should. Put yourself in the police's shoes and see how you would deal with their job. BTW have you seen anyone put together a video of all the positive interactions police had with protestors? Using examples of police brutality to illustrate a greater picture of accountability, inside and outside the context of protesting. See, you are starting from a position of "put yourself in their shoes" and that's a non-starter with me. They are poorly trained to deal with situations in these types of scenarios. The man that Buffalo PD said "tripped and fell" ended up in the hospital and the entire Buffalo ERT team resigned in solidarity to protect their own. The onus of integrity is on them, not the protesters. They are the ones who take an oath to serve and protect the citizens in their community. You can justify and rationalize, I will not. I have seen plenty of positive videos of police and protesters. A lot of kneeling in unity. Unfortunately, some of that ended with tear gas being utilized an hour later.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 7, 2020 13:57:57 GMT -8
Why would police go from kneeing to tear gas within an hour?
BTW Buffalo police officers are going to be charged with assault.
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