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Post by mojo56 on May 4, 2020 15:05:14 GMT -8
Three weeks ago I told my wife that if the country stays shut down too much longer there will be mass civil disobedience. You can see it starting already with the protests and business opening in some areas in defiance of their Governor's orders. California could open right now with some reasonable restrictions. As of now 78% of the deaths are people 65 years and older (1,727 of 2,215). Only 7% of deaths* are people under 50 years old (155 of 2,215). In between these two groups are people 50-65 years old with 16% of deaths (354 of 2,215). No reason to lock down people under 50, unless they have certain underlying medical issues. Even for people between 50 and 65 there could be a substantial loosening of restrictions, again unless they have certain underlying medical issues. People over 65 probably should, in most cases, have as little outside contact as possible. This would allow most of the economy to reopen without an unreasonable increase in risk. Since L.A. County has more deaths and all the other counties combined and almost more cases than all other counties combined, maybe we should quarantine L.A. County and open the rest of the state.
*People in the under 50 age group account for 49% of cases. So their outcomes are substantially better than the older groups.
The above data is available through the State of California's web site: www.covid19.ca.govClick on the "cases by county" link.
So, let the youngsters go play at the beach and have the oldsters hide away so as not to contract the virus from the thoughtless young spreaders. Nice. Good strategy. That will lead to more American deaths caused by the virus in a shorter period of time than Americans were killed in combat during World War II. So rather than quarantine a small subset of society (old people with preexisting conditions) you'd rather quarantine everyone? And unless we follow your strategy over 400,000 people will die? Interesting. Do you know how many people under 60 years old have died in San Diego County from the Chi Com Virus? 20. That's right. 20. Free the young-ins!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 15:48:45 GMT -8
Everyone is subject to checking out of this world due to this virus...older and disabled are just the low hanging fruit...being young and healthy does not immune you to the virus or spreading it: Young and Middle-Aged People, Barely Sick with Covid-19, Are Dying of Strokes"Jabbour and his co-author Eytan Raz, an assistant professor of neuroradiology at NYU Langone, said that strokes in covid-19 patients challenge conventional thinking. “We are used to thinking of 60 as a young patient when it comes to large vessel occlusions,” Raz said of the deadliest strokes. “We have never seen so many in their 50s, 40s and late 30s.” Raz wondered whether they are seeing more young patients because they are more resistant than the elderly to the respiratory distress caused by covid-19: “So they survive the lung side, and in time develop other issues.” www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/Younger Adults are Getting Seriously Sick and Ending Up in the Hospital Because of the Coronavirus, and It's Alarming Doctors"The shock of finding otherwise healthy people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s in the hospital severely ill with COVID-19 has been a common refrain in Business Insider's conversations with doctors on the front lines. Other viral outbreaks, especially the flu, tend to hit the youngest and oldest Americans the hardest." www.businessinsider.com/non-elderly-americans-are-getting-severely-ill-with-covid-19-2020-4Common man! This is all a hoax and an effort by the tyrannical government to control us! Just look at the mensas protesting in Michigan...or the Bundys in Idaho! Bundy claims, we may be shot in the back of the head and thrown in mass graves like during the holocaust! 🤪 We may be doomed when 25% of the US population is as dumb as a rock...Idiocracy lives... There you go again with the hoax thing. And then you add the Bundys into this? You just can't help yourself. But you and your friends continue to buy into what The Washington Post says. That article is garbage. The headline is a grabber though. Let's break down the awesome article from the WP. "Thomas Jefferson University Hospitals, which operates 14 medical centers in Philadelphia, and NYU Langone Health in New York City, found that 12 of their patients treated for large blood blockages in their brains during a three-week period had the virus." Wow 12!! "At Mount Sinai, the largest medical system in New York City, physician-researcher J Mocco said the number of patients coming in with large blood blockages in their brains doubled during the three weeks of the covid-19 surge to more than 32." 32 is a bigger number than 12 so there's that. 👍 "There are only a few dozen cases per location, but they provide new insights." "The numbers of those affected are small but nonetheless remarkable." Remarkable indeed!! All those huge numbers while thousands were being admitted to those area hospitals. Looks like the headline got some people. But it's just The WP adding more friction as usual. Yes Idiocracy. What a joke!!
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Post by myownwords on May 4, 2020 15:56:00 GMT -8
Just in California---going back over the past 5 (pre-Wuhan) years---we averaged about 750 deaths PER DAY, from ALL causes (murder, age, traffic and other accidents, suicides, heart disease, flu, etc.). Has anyone seen the number THIS year? Has that average gone up? Has it stayed flat? I don't know, can't find the answer. Using the CDC #'s it about 789/day (assuming there is no lag on reporting 'all deaths') for the period of 2/1 thru 5/2 which is 94% of expected deaths for that time frame. A reason this might be different from the 750 number that you have is that there are more deaths in the winter due to seasonal factors such as the flu. Not sure if your number is a yearly average. www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/kGood point. I just took one twelfth of the yearly total shown on a California government website.
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Post by AzTex on May 4, 2020 16:09:53 GMT -8
So, let the youngsters go play at the beach and have the oldsters hide away so as not to contract the virus from the thoughtless young spreaders. Nice. Good strategy. That will lead to more American deaths caused by the virus in a shorter period of time than Americans were killed in combat during World War II. So rather than quarantine a small subset of society (old people and those with preexisting conditions) you'd rather quarantine everyone? And unless we follow your strategy over 400,000 people will die? Interesting. Do you know how many people under 60 years old have died in San Diego County from the Chi Com Virus? 20. That's right. 20. Free the young-ins! I was just using California numbers, but based on the Union Tribune you're right about that 20 deaths. But, apparently it's better for us to hide under our beds and starve while waiting for the deaths to get to zero.
I made a slight edit of your comment. Even young people with certain conditions should still shelter at home. Also, we don't know how many of those 20 under 60 years old had diabetes and the other conditions that made them particularly susceptible to the virus.
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Post by sleepy on May 4, 2020 16:17:13 GMT -8
Those of us who are still left, that is. I tried to stay away from this thread. One of the mods started a new one where it belongs about the virus. But this has to be the biggest hyperbole statement I have seen on this board or in the media for that matter. We know that we need to be cautious and things aren't going to be the same for a while. Especially sporting events. I don't want anyone to fall victim to any infectious diseases. Without a doubt there are people rooting for this to get worse. Hopefully you're not one of them. I'm guessing this isn't effecting you with the exception of sports. But Jeebus, between your World War 100 million + death comparison and stuff like this, please give it a rest!! "I tried to stay away from this thread...", but made sure I read through 25 pages of responses to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Very good. Always start the audience off with a good one-liner. Toastmasters 101. Anyway... I'm gonna give you a couple of coping strategies for all of this: 1) When all else fails, just go back to "It's a hoax!" -- which was fashionable just mere weeks ago. 2) Recognize that "The Administration" -- one of the leading non-believers of almost anything "sciency" -- already admitted today that the death toll would creep well above 130,000 by August alone. Now, I'm going to tell you that if Little Susie has 2 bathtime duckies, that 130,000 number would be the same -- except 65,000 times more. Looked at another way... It's the Rose Bowl on New Years Day, plus the average Charger home game crowd during their last year at The Q. I certainly don't want to scare you by mentioning that the 130,000 figure is 15,000 more people than the U.S. lost during "The Great War" -- and you might know that better as WORLD WAR I. That's just through August -- and we've got another wave to go (though dummies far and wide are doing their best to ensure we just roll that into one, big, long wave here in the good ol' USA). Now... The reason I mention this, and hammer it home time and again... IS BECAUSE THERE ARE MORONS -- OUT THERE, ON HERE -- WHO STILL AREN'T GETTING THE f****** PICTURE! And each one of said simpletons puts multiple lives at risk. I should hope a degree from San Diego State University, no matter your field of study, would enable people to cut through the crap and not actually be one of those morons -- so that everybody on here can be one of "those that are left" after the 130,000 bodies are buried. That's my hope.
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Post by RiffelBooks on May 4, 2020 16:22:10 GMT -8
While you obviously can't prevent people from dying from a variety of ailments or accidents, I bet those 20 would like to have had a chance to live longer, and their families would want them back.
The problem with reopening society for the young and not the old is that the young and old will mix, eventually, via family visits, medical care and the like. I think the lockdown restrictions have been a little much, but we need to be smart about this and take reasonable precautions as we move forward.
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Post by aztecryan on May 4, 2020 16:40:43 GMT -8
While you obviously can't prevent people from dying from a variety of ailments or accidents, I bet those 20 would like to have had a chance to live longer, and their families would want them back. The problem with reopening society for the young and not the old is that the young and old will mix, eventually, via family visits, medical care and the like. I think the lockdown restrictions have been a little much, but we need to be smart about this and take reasonable precautions as we move forward. I can see that perspective as a lot of people who share it (more to the extreme) just look at the death rate and see such a small number that they default to "extreme overreach." I think it's fair to say with more competency from government leadership, we would probably be further ahead than we are currently, despite the number of unknowns at this point.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 17:11:28 GMT -8
I tried to stay away from this thread. One of the mods started a new one where it belongs about the virus. But this has to be the biggest hyperbole statement I have seen on this board or in the media for that matter. We know that we need to be cautious and things aren't going to be the same for a while. Especially sporting events. I don't want anyone to fall victim to any infectious diseases. Without a doubt there are people rooting for this to get worse. Hopefully you're not one of them. I'm guessing this isn't effecting you with the exception of sports. But Jeebus, between your World War 100 million + death comparison and stuff like this, please give it a rest!! "I tried to stay away from this thread...", but made sure I read through 25 pages of responses to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Very good. Always start the audience off with a good one-liner. Toastmasters 101. Anyway... I'm gonna give you a couple of coping strategies for all of this: 1) When all else fails, just go back to "It's a hoax!" -- which was fashionable just mere weeks ago. 2) Recognize that "The Administration" -- one of the leading non-believers of almost anything "sciency" -- already admitted today that the death toll would creep well above 130,000 by August alone. Now, I'm going to tell you that if Little Susie has 2 bathtime duckies, that 130,000 number would be the same -- except 65,000 times more. Looked at another way... It's the Rose Bowl on New Years Day, plus the average Charger home game crowd during their last year at The Q. I certainly don't want to scare you by mentioning that the 130,000 figure is 15,000 more people than the U.S. lost during "The Great War" -- and you might know that better as WORLD WAR I. That's just through August -- and we've got another wave to go (though dummies far and wide are doing their best to ensure we just roll that into one, big, long wave here in the good ol' USA). Now... The reason I mention this, and hammer it home time and again... IS BECAUSE THERE ARE MORONS -- OUT THERE, ON HERE -- WHO STILL AREN'T GETTING THE f****** PICTURE! And each one of said simpletons puts multiple lives at risk. I should hope a degree from San Diego State University, no matter your field of study, would enable people to cut through the crap and not actually be one of those morons -- so that everybody on here can be one of "those that are left" after the 130,000 bodies are buried. That's my hope. Your doomsday post of many was on page 23 of 24 at the time. So it wasn't that hard to find and that's about where I left off. You might want to check yourself with the accusations of trying to trick the audience because you're good at it. Your number 1 point is a complete lie and still is. And I've also heard all the different war comparisons that get people riled up for shock value. Just a reminder, over 150,000 U.S. annual deaths from prescription drugs and alcohol. Yet liquor stores are somehow essential. Add the seasonal flu and you're around 200,000 annual deaths. Where's the numbers when you add cancer, heart disease and other infectious diseases? Or accidents and violence? And as far as the world that you like to point out, how many people die from all the things I mentioned? Should we shut everything down and hide from all that as well? I guess we are all just a bunch dumb f****s for not buying what you're selling. Like I stated there are people rooting for this to get worse. Others that aren't, jusem havem no brains. And golly gee thanks for another one of your doomsday reports. It's inspiring. 👍
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Post by RiffelBooks on May 4, 2020 17:42:49 GMT -8
"I tried to stay away from this thread...", but made sure I read through 25 pages of responses to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Very good. Always start the audience off with a good one-liner. Toastmasters 101. Anyway... I'm gonna give you a couple of coping strategies for all of this: 1) When all else fails, just go back to "It's a hoax!" -- which was fashionable just mere weeks ago. 2) Recognize that "The Administration" -- one of the leading non-believers of almost anything "sciency" -- already admitted today that the death toll would creep well above 130,000 by August alone. Now, I'm going to tell you that if Little Susie has 2 bathtime duckies, that 130,000 number would be the same -- except 65,000 times more. Looked at another way... It's the Rose Bowl on New Years Day, plus the average Charger home game crowd during their last year at The Q. I certainly don't want to scare you by mentioning that the 130,000 figure is 15,000 more people than the U.S. lost during "The Great War" -- and you might know that better as WORLD WAR I. That's just through August -- and we've got another wave to go (though dummies far and wide are doing their best to ensure we just roll that into one, big, long wave here in the good ol' USA). Now... The reason I mention this, and hammer it home time and again... IS BECAUSE THERE ARE MORONS -- OUT THERE, ON HERE -- WHO STILL AREN'T GETTING THE f****** PICTURE! And each one of said simpletons puts multiple lives at risk. I should hope a degree from San Diego State University, no matter your field of study, would enable people to cut through the crap and not actually be one of those morons -- so that everybody on here can be one of "those that are left" after the 130,000 bodies are buried. That's my hope. Your number 1 point is a complete lie and still is. And I've also heard all the different war comparisons that get people riled up. Just a reminder, over 150,000 U.S. annual deaths from prescription drugs and alcohol. Yet liquor stores are somehow essential. Add the seasonal flu and you're around 200,000 annual deaths. Where's the numbers when you add cancer, heart disease and other infectious diseases? Or accidents and violence? And as far as the world that you like to point out, how many people die from all the things I mentioned? Should we shut everything down and hide from all that as well? I guess we are all just a bunch dumb f****s for not buying what you're selling. Like I stated there are people rooting for this to get worse. Others that aren't, jusem havem no brains. And golly gee thanks for another one of your doomsday reports. It's inspiring. 👍 On a few of your points, liquor stores were deemed essential because they often double as convenience stores, selling other things people can grab quickly. But you're right, that determination has been a little more controversial than the government expected. On seasonal flu, at least we have a vaccine that takes care of the strains expected to be going around. There is no vaccine yet for coronavirus. Cancer and heart disease aren't transmittable, and the scientific community has spent billions of dollars and time researching cures. You've said a couple of times there are people rooting for this to get worse. Who are you referring to? I have some ideas, myself, but I'm curious about who you have in mind.
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Post by aztecryan on May 4, 2020 17:44:59 GMT -8
"I tried to stay away from this thread...", but made sure I read through 25 pages of responses to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Very good. Always start the audience off with a good one-liner. Toastmasters 101. Anyway... I'm gonna give you a couple of coping strategies for all of this: 1) When all else fails, just go back to "It's a hoax!" -- which was fashionable just mere weeks ago. 2) Recognize that "The Administration" -- one of the leading non-believers of almost anything "sciency" -- already admitted today that the death toll would creep well above 130,000 by August alone. Now, I'm going to tell you that if Little Susie has 2 bathtime duckies, that 130,000 number would be the same -- except 65,000 times more. Looked at another way... It's the Rose Bowl on New Years Day, plus the average Charger home game crowd during their last year at The Q. I certainly don't want to scare you by mentioning that the 130,000 figure is 15,000 more people than the U.S. lost during "The Great War" -- and you might know that better as WORLD WAR I. That's just through August -- and we've got another wave to go (though dummies far and wide are doing their best to ensure we just roll that into one, big, long wave here in the good ol' USA). Now... The reason I mention this, and hammer it home time and again... IS BECAUSE THERE ARE MORONS -- OUT THERE, ON HERE -- WHO STILL AREN'T GETTING THE f****** PICTURE! And each one of said simpletons puts multiple lives at risk. I should hope a degree from San Diego State University, no matter your field of study, would enable people to cut through the crap and not actually be one of those morons -- so that everybody on here can be one of "those that are left" after the 130,000 bodies are buried. That's my hope. Your number 1 point is a complete lie and still is. And I've also heard all the different war comparisons that get people riled up. Just a reminder, over 150,000 U.S. annual deaths from prescription drugs and alcohol. Yet liquor stores are somehow essential. Add the seasonal flu and you're around 200,000 annual deaths. Where's the numbers when you add cancer, heart disease and other infectious diseases? Or accidents and violence? And as far as the world that you like to point out, how many people die from all the things I mentioned? Should we shut everything down and hide from all that as well? I guess we are all just a bunch dumb f****s for not buying what you're selling. Like I stated there are people rooting for this to get worse. Others that aren't, jusem havem no brains. And golly gee thanks for another one of your doomsday reports. It's inspiring. 👍 You can't spread cancer, heart disease, car accidents, alcoholism, or anything else that is non-communicable. Apples and oranges, false equivalencies that don't have any rational bearing to them. Colorful language aside, Sleepy's right. There is no sugarcoating 100,000+ deaths from a novel virus that we have very little information and modeling on during a societal lockdown. Now that that lockdown is being lifted (far too soon in some regions), patience is going to be at an all-time low in areas where the shelter order still exists. Since it takes multiple weeks to get meaningful data from social distancing and lockdown measures, a lot of these states are compounding their mistakes and yes, it will get worse before it gets better.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 18:02:32 GMT -8
Your number 1 point is a complete lie and still is. And I've also heard all the different war comparisons that get people riled up. Just a reminder, over 150,000 U.S. annual deaths from prescription drugs and alcohol. Yet liquor stores are somehow essential. Add the seasonal flu and you're around 200,000 annual deaths. Where's the numbers when you add cancer, heart disease and other infectious diseases? Or accidents and violence? And as far as the world that you like to point out, how many people die from all the things I mentioned? Should we shut everything down and hide from all that as well? I guess we are all just a bunch dumb f****s for not buying what you're selling. Like I stated there are people rooting for this to get worse. Others that aren't, jusem havem no brains. And golly gee thanks for another one of your doomsday reports. It's inspiring. 👍 On a few of your points, liquor stores were deemed essential because they often double as convenience stores, selling other things people can grab quickly. But you're right, that determination has been a little more controversial than the government expected. On seasonal flu, at least we have a vaccine that takes care of the strains expected to be going around. There is no vaccine yet for coronavirus. Cancer and heart disease aren't transmittable, and the scientific community has spent billions of dollars and time researching cures. You've said a couple of times there are people rooting for this to get worse. Who are you referring to? I have some ideas, myself, but I'm curious about who you have in mind. It's most likely the same people who you have in mind. But it's against forum rules to point them out. But as I stated, I believe there are some politicians and some in the media that are definitely doing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 18:11:51 GMT -8
Your number 1 point is a complete lie and still is. And I've also heard all the different war comparisons that get people riled up. Just a reminder, over 150,000 U.S. annual deaths from prescription drugs and alcohol. Yet liquor stores are somehow essential. Add the seasonal flu and you're around 200,000 annual deaths. Where's the numbers when you add cancer, heart disease and other infectious diseases? Or accidents and violence? And as far as the world that you like to point out, how many people die from all the things I mentioned? Should we shut everything down and hide from all that as well? I guess we are all just a bunch dumb f****s for not buying what you're selling. Like I stated there are people rooting for this to get worse. Others that aren't, jusem havem no brains. And golly gee thanks for another one of your doomsday reports. It's inspiring. 👍 You can't spread cancer, heart disease, car accidents, alcoholism, or anything else that is non-communicable. Apples and oranges, false equivalencies that don't have any rational bearing to them. Colorful language aside, Sleepy's right. There is no sugarcoating 100,000+ deaths from a novel virus that we have very little information and modeling on during a societal lockdown. Now that that lockdown is being lifted (far too soon in some regions), patience is going to be at an all-time low in areas where the shelter order still exists. Since it takes multiple weeks to get meaningful data from social distancing and lockdown measures, a lot of these states are compounding their mistakes and yes, it will get worse before it gets better. Oh, so those deaths don't count. Thanks Dr!! 👍
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Post by aztecryan on May 4, 2020 18:33:22 GMT -8
You can't spread cancer, heart disease, car accidents, alcoholism, or anything else that is non-communicable. Apples and oranges, false equivalencies that don't have any rational bearing to them. Colorful language aside, Sleepy's right. There is no sugarcoating 100,000+ deaths from a novel virus that we have very little information and modeling on during a societal lockdown. Now that that lockdown is being lifted (far too soon in some regions), patience is going to be at an all-time low in areas where the shelter order still exists. Since it takes multiple weeks to get meaningful data from social distancing and lockdown measures, a lot of these states are compounding their mistakes and yes, it will get worse before it gets better. Oh, so those deaths don't count. Thanks Dr!! 👍 They count. They are just in a completely different realm and category than a communicable virus that spreads specifically with human interaction. I can't cough and shake your hand to give you cirrhosis, dementia, cancer, coronary artery disease or a stroke. You can't go into a lockdown to stop the spread of any of the above. Surely you can spot the difference?
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Post by standiego on May 4, 2020 18:42:49 GMT -8
We are approaching 100,000 deaths here in the US and even more through out the world
Do you honestly think that people hope more people die , , nurses and other front line people trying to help us die or get ill - hospitals get overloaded and those trying to help get pushed to the max or worse
To even put out there that people are wishing for more deaths is a terrible thing to say about us as human beings -
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 18:44:42 GMT -8
Oh, so those deaths don't count. Thanks Dr!! 👍 They count. They are just in a completely different realm and category than a communicable virus that spreads specifically with human interaction. I can't cough and shake your hand to give you cirrhosis, dementia, cancer, coronary artery disease or a stroke. You can't go into a lockdown to stop the spread of any of the above. Surely you can spot the difference? Evidently you and others have come to conclusion that I'm an ignorant person because I question all the continued misinformation about Covid-19. And yes, I can spot the difference. But we as society just accept those deaths. And there are other infectious diseases killing people in this country that we accept as well without shutting down an entire economy.
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Post by aztecryan on May 4, 2020 18:51:38 GMT -8
They count. They are just in a completely different realm and category than a communicable virus that spreads specifically with human interaction. I can't cough and shake your hand to give you cirrhosis, dementia, cancer, coronary artery disease or a stroke. You can't go into a lockdown to stop the spread of any of the above. Surely you can spot the difference? Evidently you and others have come to conclusion that I'm an ignorant person because I question all the continued misinformation about Covid-19. And yes, I can spot the difference. But we as society just accept those deaths. And there are other infectious diseases killing people in this country that we accept as well. I don't think you yourself are ignorant, I think you buy into false perspectives though and once you start, everything else backs up that faulty beginning. I'm not sure what other infectious diseases you are referring to, so I can't comment. Nobody accepts death outside of its inevitability, but there is no surefire way to prevent you from getting cancer, for example. Most cancer mutations are random bad luck, per Harvard's study on the subject. There is only so much you can do because it isn't preventable. The spread of COVID-19 is largely the opposite of that, so it requires a different outlook and perspective. Regarding misinformation, there is very little we know at this point due to the novelty of the virus. There is a lot of guesswork going on because we have limited data to draw from. To go to a different methodology, it's akin to projecting MLB stats from minor leaguers with limited innings/at-bats. You're hamstrung by the limited information and the scientific unknown.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 19:07:50 GMT -8
Evidently you and others have come to conclusion that I'm an ignorant person because I question all the continued misinformation about Covid-19. And yes, I can spot the difference. But we as society just accept those deaths. And there are other infectious diseases killing people in this country that we accept as well. I don't think you yourself are ignorant, I think you buy into false perspectives though and once you start, everything else backs up that faulty beginning. I'm not sure what other infectious diseases you are referring to, so I can't comment. Nobody accepts death outside of its inevitability, but there is no surefire way to prevent you from getting cancer, for example. Most cancer mutations are random bad luck, per Harvard's study on the subject. There is only so much you can do because it isn't preventable. The spread of COVID-19 is largely the opposite of that, so it requires a different outlook and perspective. Regarding misinformation, there is very little we know at this point due to the novelty of the virus. There is a lot of guesswork going on because we have limited data to draw from. To go to a different methodology, it's akin to projecting MLB stats from minor leaguers with limited innings/at-bats. You're hamstrung by the limited information and the scientific unknown. The infectious diseases I was referring to are, lower respiratory infections, diarrheal diseases, HIV/AIDS, meningitis, hepatitis, and tuberculosis.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 19:23:44 GMT -8
We are approaching 100,000 deaths here in the US and even more through out the world Do you honestly think that people hope more people die , , nurses and other front line people trying to help us die or get ill - hospitals get overloaded and those trying to help get pushed to the max or worse To even put out there that people are wishing for more deaths is a terrible thing to say about us as human beings - I know it's a terrible thing to say and I am certainly not suggesting nurses or front line people. Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't want this to get worse with deaths or economically. But there are terrible humans in the world. And you should know that.
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Post by standiego on May 4, 2020 19:25:27 GMT -8
Yes there are some people who do evil things
But who in your mind- are the people that are hoping that things get even worse - more deaths ?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 19:38:34 GMT -8
Yes there are some people who do evil things But who in your mind- are the people that are hoping that things get even worse - more deaths ? I didn't necessarily state deaths. But I am absolutely positive there are wealthy or currently well off people on the left and in the media hoping the economy fails while they push an agenda to spite and blame the President. That's not a good thing for anyone if the economy crashes. And it's on the brink.
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