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Post by aztecryan on May 8, 2020 14:44:09 GMT -8
Thank you for at least attempting to be genuine. I appreciate it. The facts matter at a time like this. I grew up in East County in the 70's and early 80's. And my wife who is Mexican did as well. We are both very aware of the white nationalist presence and the Hell's Angels in El Cajon, Santee and Lakeside. But that doesn't represent all the protesting going on throughout the entire country like you're trying to make it out to be. Just trying to be genuine. 😉 Again, nowhere, nowhere, nowhere did I use the word "all"....but the majority of these protestors are a portion of the president's base. Speaking of East County, twice in a week. And the group of people in the comments normalizing the behavior? They have something in common.
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Post by aardvark on May 8, 2020 14:53:45 GMT -8
For context, I think certain states have to open for political reasons as every state has different circumstances and political pressures to deal with. It will be different in say Alabama than it will be in Connecticut. That's why you saw Georgia open up in conjunction with Florida. Some states will form a de facto partnership, others are completely on their own. All 50 states aren't on board, however. Very true. But blanket, one size fits all orders for a state as large as California doesn't work, either.
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Post by aztecryan on May 8, 2020 14:55:33 GMT -8
For context, I think certain states have to open for political reasons as every state has different circumstances and political pressures to deal with. It will be different in say Alabama than it will be in Connecticut. That's why you saw Georgia open up in conjunction with Florida. Some states will form a de facto partnership, others are completely on their own. All 50 states aren't on board, however. Very true. But blanket, one size fits all orders for a state as large as California doesn't work, either. Correct. It has to be done with a specific set of circumstances. Gradual restrictions being lifted. The U.S. still doesn't have adequate testing capacity, so we are at the mercy of that when it comes to lifting the bans.
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Post by biotec on May 10, 2020 13:11:04 GMT -8
I actually have something to post that's relevant to the thread topic! www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29158392/few-positive-coronavirus-tests-mlb-employeesThis is done by the same guys at Stanford that ran that really controversial study that implied that there were a large number of people that likely had already been exposed to the virus but were asymptomatic. These results, however, imply that there hasn't been much exposure to MLB employees, so starting baseball - even in empty stadiums - could be risky.
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Post by aztecryan on May 10, 2020 13:37:32 GMT -8
I actually have something to post that's relevant to the thread topic! www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29158392/few-positive-coronavirus-tests-mlb-employeesThis is done by the same guys at Stanford that ran that really controversial study that implied that there were a large number of people that likely had already been exposed to the virus but were asymptomatic. These results, however, imply that there hasn't been much exposure to MLB employees, so starting baseball - even in empty stadiums - could be risky. The way they did this is very odd, but I'm not sure you can gain anything meaningful from the results. It's data, but flawed. Without knowing how many antibodies need to be present for immunity, how long immunity lasts and if immunity covers mutated strains of the virus....it's just more mystery, seemingly.
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Post by aztecryan on May 11, 2020 10:00:14 GMT -8
EPL has gotten the go ahead from the UK government to start June 1st - Significant hurdles for baseball in the US remain at this point, but progress is progress.
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Post by wayno503 on May 11, 2020 16:43:19 GMT -8
Well here I am two weeks later since I last commented on this thread and I'm still as confused as ever. I am leaning a bit now that I don't know if this is going to work out the way California leaders hope. I just can't for the life of me wrap my head around how contact tracing will really work. It just seems too big a problem. And people are getting very restless. I read a good article the other day in the Times or Post that talked about who determines when a pandemic is over. There's the medical side, which says it's over when cases fall to near zero and it looks like Covid is not the threat it once was, the other thing that can call an end, is the social perception... that is, the majority of people who just don't care anymore and aren't afraid of it anymore and just decide to go about their lives regardless of the risks. I see the latter happening more easily than the other. Whether right or wrong, I see more and more Americans venturing out, orders or not, shops opening, orders or not, customers or not, the longer this drags on. I see the virus spreading and causing many more deaths but then eventually it will go away in a year or two. As I said, I'm not sure. I am just skeptical of this slow-rolling opening with the government trying to track down every case and your friends and family you came in contact with. Maybe the best we can do is safeguard the elderly, beef up testing in rest homes, and wear masks? I'd like to hear other's thoughts especially from those with open minds and not just speaking lines from the left or right. What do YOU really think?
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Post by aztecryan on May 11, 2020 17:28:08 GMT -8
Well here I am two weeks later since I last commented on this thread and I'm still as confused as ever. I am leaning a bit now that I don't know if this is going to work out the way California leaders hope. I just can't for the life of me wrap my head around how contact tracing will really work. It just seems too big a problem. And people are getting very restless. I read a good article the other day in the Times or Post that talked about who determines when a pandemic is over. There's the medical side, which says it's over when cases fall to near zero and it looks like Covid is not the threat it once was, the other thing that can call an end, is the social perception... that is, the majority of people who just don't care anymore and aren't afraid of it anymore and just decide to go about their lives regardless of the risks. I see the latter happening more easily than the other. Whether right or wrong, I see more and more Americans venturing out, orders or not, shops opening, orders or not, customers or not, the longer this drags on. I see the virus spreading and causing many more deaths but then eventually it will go away in a year or two. As I said, I'm not sure. I am just skeptical of this slow-rolling opening with the government trying to track down every case and your friends and family you came in contact with. Maybe the best we can do is safeguard the elderly, beef up testing in rest homes, and wear masks? I'd like to hear other's thoughts especially from those with open minds and not just speaking lines from the left or right. What do YOU really think? I don't think this is going away in a year or two, to be frank. There's no reason not to have a national rollout strategy, other than the associated bureaucracy that goes along with it. The fact it's taken 3 months to test less than 3% of the population is troubling, as are all the unknowns associated with comorbidities. There's layers of information we simply don't have yet, from the neurological involvement to the vascular involvement. It's going to be a slog and a grind, unfortunately.
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Post by namssa on May 12, 2020 14:43:52 GMT -8
Well here I am two weeks later since I last commented on this thread and I'm still as confused as ever. I am leaning a bit now that I don't know if this is going to work out the way California leaders hope. I just can't for the life of me wrap my head around how contact tracing will really work. It just seems too big a problem. And people are getting very restless. I read a good article the other day in the Times or Post that talked about who determines when a pandemic is over. There's the medical side, which says it's over when cases fall to near zero and it looks like Covid is not the threat it once was, the other thing that can call an end, is the social perception... that is, the majority of people who just don't care anymore and aren't afraid of it anymore and just decide to go about their lives regardless of the risks. I see the latter happening more easily than the other. Whether right or wrong, I see more and more Americans venturing out, orders or not, shops opening, orders or not, customers or not, the longer this drags on. I see the virus spreading and causing many more deaths but then eventually it will go away in a year or two. As I said, I'm not sure. I am just skeptical of this slow-rolling opening with the government trying to track down every case and your friends and family you came in contact with. Maybe the best we can do is safeguard the elderly, beef up testing in rest homes, and wear masks? I'd like to hear other's thoughts especially from those with open minds and not just speaking lines from the left or right. What do YOU really think? Ultimately I think you are right. This will be over when the virus in a few years finally peters out after infecting mostly everyone and after hundreds of thousands of deaths. We can't even open up the economy smartly as every scientist has been saying we need to do. Videos from a Colorado coffee shop showing the place packed and nobody with masks on only prove that. Heck there was a rodeo in California this weekend were over 2000 people attended and again no masks anywhere. Our leadership failed us in this fight. The only way this would have worked is if EVERYONE was on the same page and we aren't even close to that. It's amazing how not wearing masks has become a sign of resistance to the right. We are destined to have a massive second wave. But unlike the first time a large chunk of the American people will revolt against another shutdown. So it will everyone for themselves, and the only the strong will survive... America in a nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 9:33:11 GMT -8
"It's the end of the world as we know it (I had some time alone) It's the end of the world as we know it (I had some time alone) It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (time I had some time alone) I feel fine (I feel fine)"
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 12:05:14 GMT -8
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jun 14, 2020 11:16:00 GMT -8
One of the metrics that is looked at is the rate of spread of the virus. California today crossed over where the virus would be considered to spread quickly. There are 16 states in this category with another 10 within striking distance. Good chance that we pass our highest rate in California this week. So as people stop wearing masks and start gathering indoors we can expect to see that number climb. San Diego is moving in the direction where we might start going backwards in the what we are allowed to do in the coming weeks. We moved to 4 community outbreaks in 7 days last week which if we hit 7 then we trigger health order modifications and start going backwards.
So don't go to indoor places wear people don't wear masks. Outbreaks in other countries have happen inside restaurants where people aren't wearing masks and sometimes 20 feet away from another group. The virus hasn't gone away and "recovered" doesn't mean that person will ever recover to 100% again in their lifetime. Some companies working on vaccines and treatment for the virus have closed their offices for the summer, issued no outside visitors for the remaining of the year and some of the companies that have allowed people to come back have to sign up for a check-in time and are required to wear a mask 100% of the time while in the building. Amazing that people with first hand knowledge of the virus are acting in a completely different way than the rest of the population. It's like they know something.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 14, 2020 13:54:48 GMT -8
One of the metrics that is looked at is the rate of spread of the virus. California today crossed over where the virus would be considered to spread quickly. There are 16 states in this category with another 10 within striking distance. Good chance that we pass our highest rate in California this week. So as people stop wearing masks and start gathering indoors we can expect to see that number climb. San Diego is moving in the direction where we might start going backwards in the what we are allowed to do in the coming weeks. We moved to 4 community outbreaks in 7 days last week which if we hit 7 then we trigger health order modifications and start going backwards. So don't go to indoor places wear people don't wear masks. Outbreaks in other countries have happen inside restaurants where people aren't wearing masks and sometimes 20 feet away from another group. The virus hasn't gone away and "recovered" doesn't mean that person will ever recover to 100% again in their lifetime. Some companies working on vaccines and treatment for the virus have closed their offices for the summer, issued no outside visitors for the remaining of the year and some of the companies that have allowed people to come back have to sign up for a check-in time and are required to wear a mask 100% of the time while in the building. Amazing that people with first hand knowledge of the virus are acting in a completely different way than the rest of the population. It's like they know something. The problem without a national strategy means mass confusion and logistical nightmares (Just watch Wilma Wooten the other day...yikes) and it was clear from the get go that states opened up far too early. Arizona looks like a crisis state right now. Locking people down again is going to be a much bigger ordeal than it was the first time around. Masks are not mandatory, which will be interpreted by people that everything is fine again. Going to be a long summer.
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