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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 10:03:11 GMT -8
What? Tbe President has said that many if those exact type of testimonies came from front line workers Spoiler alert : He's not telling the truth. No medical professional would take an unproven, unrelated drug for a novel virus they didn't have. He's speaking in generalities for a reason, because if pressed, it would come tumbling down like a game of Jenga. This is the danger when you don't question anything. Well, I expected that response, which is most likely the same response from others that don't like him. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 10:04:34 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 10:05:40 GMT -8
Spoiler alert : He's not telling the truth. No medical professional would take an unproven, unrelated drug for a novel virus they didn't have. He's speaking in generalities for a reason, because if pressed, it would come tumbling down like a game of Jenga. This is the danger when you don't question anything. Well, I expected that response, which is most likely the same response from others that don't like him. When you can't argue facts, move to process arguments. Why do you believe everything he says? Serious question. I don't care about whether I like him or not. I'm not 12 years old and this isn't about pride, my feelings or anything else other than the science and the data. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 10:16:32 GMT -8
Well, I expected that response, which is most likely the same response from others that don't like him. When you can't argue facts, move to process arguments. Why do you believe everything he says? Serious question. Where is your fact that he's lying? I'm not naive and understand that basically all politicians lie, or stretch tbe truth. I know Trump has embellished things. I believe him in this case. Don't think that I'm a blind follower. I know his strengths and weaknesses. I personally can put aside some of the things that he says as long as he's doing good things for our country, even though he's handcuffed now. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 10:28:25 GMT -8
When you can't argue facts, move to process arguments. Why do you believe everything he says? Serious question. Where is your fact that he's lying? I'm not naive and understand that basically all politicians lie, or stretch tbe truth. I know Trump has embellished things. I believe him in this case. Don't think that I'm a blind follower. I know his strengths and weaknesses. I personally can put aside some of the things that he says as long as he's doing good things for our country, even though he's handcuffed now. Lie. www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/Lots and lots of lies. It's very simple. Medical personnel aren't going to take a non-FDA regulated drug for preventive use when there is nothing to indicate that has any success. Find me one frontline worker in this country who is taking it. All you will see is "I'm a frontline worker and this is total BS." Why would that be? Is it because everyone dislikes the president, even though he did "such a great job?" |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 10:31:45 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 10:34:46 GMT -8
Where is your fact that he's lying? I'm not naive and understand that basically all politicians lie, or stretch tbe truth. I know Trump has embellished things. I believe him in this case. Don't think that I'm a blind follower. I know his strengths and weaknesses. I personally can put aside some of the things that he says as long as he's doing good things for our country, even though he's handcuffed now. Lie. www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/Lots and lots of lies. It's very simple. Medical personnel aren't going to take a non-FDA regulated drug for preventive use when there is nothing to indicate that has any success. Find me one frontline worker in this country who is taking it. All you will see is "I'm a frontline worker and this is total BS." Why would that be? Is it because everyone dislikes the president, even though he did "such a great job?" On the flip side, where are the front line workers condemning him for saying it, and saying it's not true? Is that just your opinion that he's lying about this certain issue? |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 10:43:16 GMT -8
Lie. www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/Lots and lots of lies. It's very simple. Medical personnel aren't going to take a non-FDA regulated drug for preventive use when there is nothing to indicate that has any success. Find me one frontline worker in this country who is taking it. All you will see is "I'm a frontline worker and this is total BS." Why would that be? Is it because everyone dislikes the president, even though he did "such a great job?" On the flip side, where are the front line workers condemning him for saying it, and saying it's not true? Is that just your opinion that he's lying about this certain issue? No, it isn't just my opinion. If you told a nurse, doctor, or infectious disease specialist that you were taken a non-FDA approved drug as a prophylactic, you would get laughed out of the room. Because it's a fairy tale. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 10:45:06 GMT -8
Where is your fact that he's lying? I'm not naive and understand that basically all politicians lie, or stretch tbe truth. I know Trump has embellished things. I believe him in this case. Don't think that I'm a blind follower. I know his strengths and weaknesses. I personally can put aside some of the things that he says as long as he's doing good things for our country, even though he's handcuffed now. Lie. www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/Lots and lots of lies. It's very simple. Medical personnel aren't going to take a non-FDA regulated drug for preventive use when there is nothing to indicate that has any success. Find me one frontline worker in this country who is taking it. All you will see is "I'm a frontline worker and this is total BS." Why would that be? Is it because everyone dislikes the president, even though he did "such a great job?" By the way, BS is BS. I'm not going to stand up for someone if I feel it's BS. It's not just people who dislike him that calls out his BS. There's sheep on both sides. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 10:48:35 GMT -8
Lie. www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/Lots and lots of lies. It's very simple. Medical personnel aren't going to take a non-FDA regulated drug for preventive use when there is nothing to indicate that has any success. Find me one frontline worker in this country who is taking it. All you will see is "I'm a frontline worker and this is total BS." Why would that be? Is it because everyone dislikes the president, even though he did "such a great job?" By the way, BS is BS. I'm not going to stand up for someone if I feel it's BS. It's not just people who dislike him that calls out his BS. There's sheep on both sides. Now's your chance. I mean you could ignore a mountain of evidence, or you could just learn to be skeptical of a person who lies with regularity. The president's fervent base of people who believe everything he says puts the public at risk. That's undeniable at this point. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 10:49:10 GMT -8
On the flip side, where are the front line workers condemning him for saying it, and saying it's not true? Is that just your opinion that he's lying about this certain issue? No, it isn't just my opinion. If you told a nurse, doctor, or infectious disease specialist that you were taken a non-FDA approved drug as a prophylactic, you would get laughed out of the room. Because it's a fairy tale. I hope you don't actually think front line workers are going to admit to taking it? There are THOUSANDS of front line workers out there, not just these people you highlighted. Could he be lying, of course, but I don't think so. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 10:51:04 GMT -8
By the way, BS is BS. I'm not going to stand up for someone if I feel it's BS. It's not just people who dislike him that calls out his BS. There's sheep on both sides. Now's your chance. I mean you could ignore a mountain of evidence, or you could just learn to be skeptical of a person who lies with regularity. The president's fervent base of people who believe everything he says puts the public at risk. That's undeniable at this point. How can it put you at risk if you have to thru a doctor? See what I mean I say, overblown? |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 10:55:37 GMT -8
Now's your chance. I mean you could ignore a mountain of evidence, or you could just learn to be skeptical of a person who lies with regularity. The president's fervent base of people who believe everything he says puts the public at risk. That's undeniable at this point. How can it put you at risk if you have to thru a doctor? See what I mean I say, overblown? For someone who says they are not naive, this is an incredibly naive statement. Think it through, critically. The answer is really simple. Not overblown in the slightest. A 73 year old who happens to be the PRESIDENT, with co-morbidities (obesity, cholesterol) taking a non-FDA approved drug in a non-approved method? Use your head here. |
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Post by ramrodd23 on May 19, 2020 12:05:14 GMT -8
2 of those studies is from Dr Vladimir Zelenko. A federal prosecutor has opened a preliminary inquiry into whether an obscure New York doctor who won White House attention by claiming he could treat the coronavirus broke the law by falsely claiming that a hospital study of drugs he had promoted had won federal approval. |
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Post by ptsdthor on May 19, 2020 12:19:42 GMT -8
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! At the time first mentioned, Trump was relaying anecdotal info about the drug Hydroxychloroquine. Understandably to provide some with hope in a gloomy situation. An epidemiology purist may not like it and then they point to the fact that some Democrat woman in Arizona uses the information as an alibi in her murdering her husband as proof of the error of his ways. But even if someone disagrees with him offering anecdotal evidence on favorable medical news in a press conference amid a pandemic, they should simply say, "hey, having an IQ over 60, I understand that the information given is anecdotal evidence" and move on. But no! TDS kicks in and now it becomes something of a cultish craze to show Trump was somehow almost criminally negligent to bring it up in the first place.  You asked why do some generally believe Trump? Now we all understand hyperbole and how it causes Democrat Fembot heads to explode (only when they hear his hyperbole and no one else's, it seems) but that is a different issue. All politicians exaggerate with claims taking credit when not due, assigning blame when not warranted, dubious claims of "worsts" or "bests", etc. That is as old as politics. I generally believe Trump when he stands alone against the claims of the unified MSM, Democrat politicians and TDS stricken glassy-eyed true believers. Either because what he is saying is striking the fear of God into them and his policy is threatening their particular rice bowl and they are squealing like stuck pigs in opposition or they are purposefully lying about him (as in the Russia Collusion Hoax, Trump not caring/acting on the Pandemic Hoax, Trump only in it for money or his 1%er friends lie, or Trump is a racist lie, etc.) simply to tear him down in an attempt to help win an election. That is why. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 12:31:52 GMT -8
How can it put you at risk if you have to thru a doctor? See what I mean I say, overblown? For someone who says they are not naive, this is an incredibly naive statement. Think it through, critically. The answer is really simple. Not overblown in the slightest. A 73 year old who happens to be the PRESIDENT, with co-morbidities (obesity, cholesterol) taking a non-FDA approved drug in a non-approved method? Use your head here. Not a naive statement. It's a fact. No one can get it unless it's prescribed thru a doctor. What I'm saying is that it's not going to hurt anyone else just because the President uses it. If his doctor wrongly says it because he's a quack, then that's on him. I'm not condoning what he's doing. He simply feels it's right for him. If you think he's lying about it, then that's just your opinion. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 12:37:18 GMT -8
For someone who says they are not naive, this is an incredibly naive statement. Think it through, critically. The answer is really simple. Not overblown in the slightest. A 73 year old who happens to be the PRESIDENT, with co-morbidities (obesity, cholesterol) taking a non-FDA approved drug in a non-approved method? Use your head here. Not a naive statement. It's a fact. No one can get it unless it's prescribed thru a doctor. What I'm saying is that it's not going to hurt anyone else just because the President uses it. If his doctor wrongly says it because he's a quack, then that's on him. I'm not condoning what he's doing. He simply feels it's right for him. If you think he's lying about it, then that's just your opinion. So you're not condoning it by condoning it. Perfect. Doctors don't have agendas? Doctors are infallible? Incredibly dense levels of thinking here. Every doctor ever has only issued prescriptions out of good faith, with correct dosages, every single time. Hey, case closed. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 12:39:16 GMT -8
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! At the time first mentioned, Trump was relaying anecdotal info about the drug Hydroxychloroquine. Understandably to provide some with hope in a gloomy situation. An epidemiology purist may not like it and then they point to the fact that some Democrat woman in Arizona uses the information as an alibi in her murdering her husband as proof of the error of his ways. But even if someone disagrees with him offering anecdotal evidence on favorable medical news in a press conference amid a pandemic, they should simply say, "hey, having an IQ over 60, I understand that the information given is anecdotal evidence" and move on. But no! TDS kicks in and now it becomes something of a cultish craze to show Trump was somehow almost criminally negligent to bring it up in the first place. You asked why do some generally believe Trump? Now we all understand hyperbole and how it causes Democrat Fembot heads to explode (only when they hear his hyperbole and no one else's, it seems) but that is a different issue. All politicians exaggerate with claims taking credit when not due, assigning blame when not warranted, dubious claims of "worsts" or "bests", etc. That is as old as politics. I generally believe Trump when he stands alone against the claims of the unified MSM, Democrat politicians and TDS stricken glassy-eyed true believers. Either because what he is saying is striking the fear of God into them and his policy is threatening their particular rice bowl and they are squealing like stuck pigs in opposition or they are purposefully lying about him (as in the Russia Collusion Hoax, Trump not caring/acting on the Pandemic Hoax, Trump only in it for money or his 1%er friends lie, or Trump is a racist lie, etc.) simply to tear him down in an attempt to help win an election. That is why. Exactly, and very well said. They'll take any information that may be even a tiny bit controversial and blow it out of proportion sky high. Ridiculous. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 12:41:16 GMT -8
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! At the time first mentioned, Trump was relaying anecdotal info about the drug Hydroxychloroquine. Understandably to provide some with hope in a gloomy situation. An epidemiology purist may not like it and then they point to the fact that some Democrat woman in Arizona uses the information as an alibi in her murdering her husband as proof of the error of his ways. But even if someone disagrees with him offering anecdotal evidence on favorable medical news in a press conference amid a pandemic, they should simply say, "hey, having an IQ over 60, I understand that the information given is anecdotal evidence" and move on. But no! TDS kicks in and now it becomes something of a cultish craze to show Trump was somehow almost criminally negligent to bring it up in the first place. You asked why do some generally believe Trump? Now we all understand hyperbole and how it causes Democrat Fembot heads to explode (only when they hear his hyperbole and no one else's, it seems) but that is a different issue. All politicians exaggerate with claims taking credit when not due, assigning blame when not warranted, dubious claims of "worsts" or "bests", etc. That is as old as politics. I generally believe Trump when he stands alone against the claims of the unified MSM, Democrat politicians and TDS stricken glassy-eyed true believers. Either because what he is saying is striking the fear of God into them and his policy is threatening their particular rice bowl and they are squealing like stuck pigs in opposition or they are purposefully lying about him (as in the Russia Collusion Hoax, Trump not caring/acting on the Pandemic Hoax, Trump only in it for money or his 1%er friends lie, or Trump is a racist lie, etc.) simply to tear him down in an attempt to help win an election. That is why. TL;DR. It's inappropriate for a president without a medical background (at all) to even ponder out loud things that could endanger the public. Contradicting medical professionals, outright lying about things on a daily basis, etc. Full stop at that point. Anecdotal evidence isn't science. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 12:42:21 GMT -8
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner! At the time first mentioned, Trump was relaying anecdotal info about the drug Hydroxychloroquine. Understandably to provide some with hope in a gloomy situation. An epidemiology purist may not like it and then they point to the fact that some Democrat woman in Arizona uses the information as an alibi in her murdering her husband as proof of the error of his ways. But even if someone disagrees with him offering anecdotal evidence on favorable medical news in a press conference amid a pandemic, they should simply say, "hey, having an IQ over 60, I understand that the information given is anecdotal evidence" and move on. But no! TDS kicks in and now it becomes something of a cultish craze to show Trump was somehow almost criminally negligent to bring it up in the first place. You asked why do some generally believe Trump? Now we all understand hyperbole and how it causes Democrat Fembot heads to explode (only when they hear his hyperbole and no one else's, it seems) but that is a different issue. All politicians exaggerate with claims taking credit when not due, assigning blame when not warranted, dubious claims of "worsts" or "bests", etc. That is as old as politics. I generally believe Trump when he stands alone against the claims of the unified MSM, Democrat politicians and TDS stricken glassy-eyed true believers. Either because what he is saying is striking the fear of God into them and his policy is threatening their particular rice bowl and they are squealing like stuck pigs in opposition or they are purposefully lying about him (as in the Russia Collusion Hoax, Trump not caring/acting on the Pandemic Hoax, Trump only in it for money or his 1%er friends lie, or Trump is a racist lie, etc.) simply to tear him down in an attempt to help win an election. That is why. Exactly, and very well said. They'll take any information that may be even a tiny bit controversial and blow it out of proportion sky high. Ridiculous. You can't think for yourself, we've already discovered that. You don't need to hide behind conspiracy theory and matryr complexes. |
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