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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 8:26:41 GMT -8
Do you actually think any doctor, MD or not, would say that the rewards outweigh the risks if it could kill you? Especially coming from a White House doctor, but I'm sure yiu think he's a quack since he's Trump's doctor. Having blind loyalty or faith in a person isn't my thing - Which is why I look up the studies and consult the professionals. One of my good friends is a neuroscientist with a PhD, knowledgeable on this specific topic as it's right in his field of study. Why do you start from the premise that you do every time? It seems like you'll believe everything the president says, without fail. I happen to think he's lying, simply because the risks DO NOT present a favorable outcome. The statement from his doctor doesn't state that he prescribed the drug, which is odd, isn't it? But mainly, why would any doctor prescribe a drug for a person as a prophylactic when it has no clinical purpose as such? If you HAVE the virus, maybe....But there's zero proof or scientific evidence that it's an effective treatment in prevention. You can have your opinion, and my opinions are not blind faith opinions. I agree with the President on things that I truly do believe in. I have stated many times that I don't agree with him on certain issues and I wish he wouldn't say some of things he says, so don't go there. There are many doctors who truly believe in the drug and prescribe it to this day to CERTAIN individuals. Obviously Trump doesn't have the type of heart condition that puts him at risk. There are DEFINITELY studies out there that point out the particular heart issues that people with the issue should not be taking it, especially ones with arrhythmias. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 8:28:07 GMT -8
Bottom line is, the drug is ok for some and not for others. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 8:31:39 GMT -8
Bottom line is, the drug is ok for some and not for others. No, the bottom line is that there is zero benenfit for it as a prophylactic. |
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Post by ramrodd23 on May 19, 2020 8:33:29 GMT -8
Bottom line is, the drug is ok for some and not for others. What? Not one of those studies says it helps. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 8:36:54 GMT -8
Bottom line is, the drug is ok for some and not for others. What? Not one of those studies says it helps. Doing no additional harm doesn't equate here, unfortunately. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 8:38:10 GMT -8
Bottom line is, the drug is ok for some and not for others. No, the bottom line is that there is zero benenfit for it as a prophylactic. There have been many testimonies from individuals, including front line workers, that have said that it helped them. He's going by what his doctor has said which is the rewards outweigh the risks, and the testimonies of many credible people. Why are so many doctors prescribing it to certain individuals? Because, they believe in it, and it won't hurt them if they try it. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 8:43:19 GMT -8
No, the bottom line is that there is zero benenfit for it as a prophylactic. There have been many testimonies from individuals, including front line workers, that have said that it helped them. He's going by what his doctor has said which is the rewards outweigh the risks, and the testimonies of many credible people. Why are so many doctors prescribing it to certain individuals? Because, they believe in it, and it won't hurt them if they try it. And that isn't how medicine works, for the 17th time. Anecdotal evidence for an unproven drug is NOT medicine. Who are these doctors? Where are they prescribing it? Do you believe everything you read? If my doctor prescribes cocaine, does that mean it's safe to take it? Your premise is so flimsy and not thought out. WHY are these doctors prescribing it? What are the unintended consequences of such? Like, for example, this. www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/18/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-creates-shortage-lupus-drug/5129896002/ |
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Post by ramrodd23 on May 19, 2020 8:46:43 GMT -8
No, the bottom line is that there is zero benenfit for it as a prophylactic. There have been many testimonies from individuals, including front line workers, that have said that it helped them. He's going by what his doctor has said which is the rewards outweigh the risks, and the testimonies of many credible people. Why are so many doctors prescribing it to certain individuals? Because, they believe in it, and it won't hurt them if they try it. If that was true. Then why did the FDA say the drug has 'not been shown to be safe and effective for treating or preventing COVID-19.' |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 8:53:44 GMT -8
There have been many testimonies from individuals, including front line workers, that have said that it helped them. He's going by what his doctor has said which is the rewards outweigh the risks, and the testimonies of many credible people. Why are so many doctors prescribing it to certain individuals? Because, they believe in it, and it won't hurt them if they try it. And that isn't how medicine works, for the 17th time. Anecdotal evidence for an unproven drug is NOT medicine. Who are these doctors? Where are they prescribing it? Do you believe everything you read? If my doctor prescribes cocaine, does that mean it's safe to take it? Your premise is so flimsy and not thought out. WHY are these doctors prescribing it? What are the unintended consequences of such? Like, for example, this. www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/18/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-creates-shortage-lupus-drug/5129896002/Well, Mr. Condescending, are you saying that you haven't heard that doctors are prescribing it? I understand how medicine works in that regard, but tell me why so many doctors prescribe it for their patients who are candidates for it them? Since this study is saying that there could be a shortage of it, then you obviously know that it's being prescribed for Covid patients. Why don't you tell me why they're prescribing it and who are these doctors? I've already told you my thoughts on it. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 8:56:11 GMT -8
There have been many testimonies from individuals, including front line workers, that have said that it helped them. He's going by what his doctor has said which is the rewards outweigh the risks, and the testimonies of many credible people. Why are so many doctors prescribing it to certain individuals? Because, they believe in it, and it won't hurt them if they try it. If that was true. Then why did the FDA say the drug has 'not been shown to be safe and effective for treating or preventing COVID-19.' Because some doctors understand that it won't hurt certain individuals if they try it on a trial basis and there's plenty of positive testimonies from credible people who have taken it. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 9:00:20 GMT -8
Well, Mr. Condescending, are you saying that you haven't heard that doctors are prescribing it? I understand how medicine works in that regard, but tell me why so many doctors prescribe it for their patients who are candidates for it them? Since this study is saying that there could be a shortage of it, then you obviously know that it's being prescribed for Covid patients. Why don't you tell me why they're prescribing it and who are these doctors? I've already told you my thoughts on it. I have made my thoughts clear : Not being condescending, but going in circles with a person unable to think critically is mentally taxing. I have no idea the motives of doctors, prescribing drugs for patients. I do know what the SCIENCE and the clinical trials indicate though. Nothing good. My concern is with the president taking it, not these random citizens. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 9:09:43 GMT -8
Well, Mr. Condescending, are you saying that you haven't heard that doctors are prescribing it? I understand how medicine works in that regard, but tell me why so many doctors prescribe it for their patients who are candidates for it them? Since this study is saying that there could be a shortage of it, then you obviously know that it's being prescribed for Covid patients. Why don't you tell me why they're prescribing it and who are these doctors? I've already told you my thoughts on it. I have made my thoughts clear : Not being condescending, but going in circles with a person unable to think critically is mentally taxing. I have no idea the motives of doctors, prescribing drugs for patients. I do know what the SCIENCE and the clinical trials indicate though. Nothing good. My concern is with the president taking it, not these random citizens. And, I understand what the science says and respect it. If any individual, including the president, decides to listen to his doctors that says it won't hurt you and these doctors have witnessed positive outcomes, and listen to testimonies from individuals, then that's their prerogative. I don't think it's irresponsible for someone to take it if they get doctors advice first. I hope this clears up where I stand. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -8
I have made my thoughts clear : Not being condescending, but going in circles with a person unable to think critically is mentally taxing. I have no idea the motives of doctors, prescribing drugs for patients. I do know what the SCIENCE and the clinical trials indicate though. Nothing good. My concern is with the president taking it, not these random citizens. And, I understand what the science says and respect it. If any individual, including the president, decides to listen to his doctors that says it won't hurt you and these doctors have witnessed positive outcomes, and listen to testimonies from individuals, then that's their prerogative. I don't think it's irresponsible for someone to take it if they get doctors advice first. I hope this clears up where I stand. You don't though, because you still lack fundamental understanding of the lack of any evidence that it can be taken effectively to prevent anything. There is a large contrast between taking a drug as a treatment option versus taking it as a preventive method. You keep using repetitive phrases like "testimonies from individuals" and "credible people"....Who are these people? I know that's what the president said in his statement, but I am asking you to think indepedently here. |
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Post by ramrodd23 on May 19, 2020 9:21:06 GMT -8
If that was true. Then why did the FDA say the drug has 'not been shown to be safe and effective for treating or preventing COVID-19.' Because some doctors understand that it won't hurt certain individuals if they try it on a trial basis and there's plenty of positive testimonies from credible people who have taken it. How do you know? I would love to see Heath links to prove that. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 9:25:58 GMT -8
I have made my thoughts clear : Not being condescending, but going in circles with a person unable to think critically is mentally taxing. I have no idea the motives of doctors, prescribing drugs for patients. I do know what the SCIENCE and the clinical trials indicate though. Nothing good. My concern is with the president taking it, not these random citizens. And, I understand what the science says and respect it. If any individual, including the president, decides to listen to his doctors that says it won't hurt you and these doctors have witnessed positive outcomes, and listen to testimonies from individuals, then that's their prerogative. I don't think it's irresponsible for someone to take it if they get doctors advice first. I hope this clears up where I stand. Why aren't frontline health care workers taking it as a prophylactic if it's safe to do so? |
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Post by ptsdthor on May 19, 2020 9:28:04 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 9:34:27 GMT -8
Thanks for the illustration. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 19, 2020 9:42:16 GMT -8
And, I understand what the science says and respect it. If any individual, including the president, decides to listen to his doctors that says it won't hurt you and these doctors have witnessed positive outcomes, and listen to testimonies from individuals, then that's their prerogative. I don't think it's irresponsible for someone to take it if they get doctors advice first. I hope this clears up where I stand. Why aren't frontline health care workers taking it as a prophylactic if it's safe to do so? What? The President has said that many of those exact type of testimonies came from front line workers |
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Post by aztecryan on May 19, 2020 9:50:01 GMT -8
Why aren't frontline health care workers taking it as a prophylactic if it's safe to do so? What? Tbe President has said that many if those exact type of testimonies came from front line workers Spoiler alert : He's not telling the truth. No medical professional would take an unproven, unrelated drug for a novel virus they didn't have. He's speaking in generalities for a reason, because if pressed, it would come tumbling down like a game of Jenga. This is the danger when you don't question anything. |
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Post by ptsdthor on May 19, 2020 9:58:08 GMT -8
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