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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 7, 2021 12:51:26 GMT -8
Dear Trumpolini, please STFU, and just resign. Give the last few days of your mess to Mike Pence the boot licker.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 7, 2021 12:57:47 GMT -8
Dear Trumpolini, please STFU, and just resign. Give the last few days of your mess to Mike Pence the boot licker. Haha..I was watching proceedings last night and Pence had a big smile on his face and actually looked like he was enjoying himself. I guess the Stockholm Syndrome face is done...like he finally got to take a great big s*it.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 7, 2021 13:34:34 GMT -8
Dear Trumpolini, please STFU, and just resign. Give the last few days of your mess to Mike Pence the boot licker. Haha..I was watching proceedings last night and Pence had a big smile on his face and actually looked like he was enjoying himself. I guess the Stockholm Syndrome face is done...like he finally got to take a great big s*it. Lol. This is actually very funny.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 7, 2021 13:38:39 GMT -8
Dear Trumpolini, please STFU, and just resign. Give the last few days of your mess to Mike Pence the boot licker. Haha..I was watching proceedings last night and Pence had a big smile on his face and actually looked like he was enjoying himself. I guess the Stockholm Syndrome face is done...like he finally got to take a great big s*it. Reading your own name being the losing side is difficult.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 8, 2021 19:22:30 GMT -8
Haha..I was watching proceedings last night and Pence had a big smile on his face and actually looked like he was enjoying himself. I guess the Stockholm Syndrome face is done...like he finally got to take a great big s*it. Reading your own name being the losing side is difficult. Sometimes you have to put on your real big boy pants, suck it up and admit you lost, cut your losses, walk upright and get on down the road!! JMO
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 12, 2021 18:25:51 GMT -8
In the unlikely event that the President were to ask for my advice, here is what I would tell him.
Mr. President, you have badly blundered since the November election. You have lost the support of many Republicans who heretofore were, to one degree or another, on your side. You have almost certainly lost the support of most of the nation's independents or members of minor parties. And, needless to say, you have increasingly alienated almost all Democrats.
It's too late to act in a stateman-like manner with regard to the election result. But is still not too late to go out on a positive note. I urge you to announce immediately that you are going to resign from office within 24 hours. If the Democrats then continue to pursue impeachment it will be seen for what it is, a totally partisan attempt to use the Constitution to exact a measure of revenge as well as partisan advantage.
I have always considered Trump unqualified to be POTUS. His personal behavior in office only confirmed my opinion. Yes, I supported and still support a number of his policies and decisions. But that's a little like saying Joe Blow only batted .150 this year, but he did hit a dozen home runs.
His behavior post November 3rd has been far worse than that of his first four years. I am not sorry to see him gone. (However, I urge you not to interpret that as an endorsement of Joe Biden and the Democrat Party.)
I would hope that DT would understand that my advice represents the best he can make of a very, very bad situation. I am not holding by breathe. As for the Democrats, one hopes that they would avoid the horrible policy articulated by Jonah Goldberg. Goldberg tells the story of the winning side in a battle, walking across the battlefield shooting the wounded enemy soldiers lying on the ground. In this case, it's not shooting the wounded, it's suggesting that opposition politicians be put on no-flight lists. I guess too many people have forgotten Lincoln's words. With malice toward none, with charity for all.
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2021 18:43:37 GMT -8
In the unlikely event that the President were to ask for my advice, here is what I would tell him. Mr. President, you have badly blundered since the November election. You have lost the support of many Republicans who heretofore were, to one degree or another, on your side. You have almost certainly lost the support of most of the nation's independents or members of minor parties. And, needless to say, you have increasingly alienated almost all Democrats.
It's too late to act in a stateman-like manner with regard to the election result. But is still not too late to go out on a positive note. I urge you to announce immediately that you are going to resign from office within 24 hours. If the Democrats then continue to pursue impeachment it will be seen for what it is, a totally partisan attempt to use the Constitution to exact a measure of revenge as well as partisan advantage.
I have always considered Trump unqualified to be POTUS. His personal behavior in office only confirmed my opinion. Yes, I supported and still support a number of his policies and decisions. But that's a little like saying Joe Blow only batted .150 this year, but he did hit a dozen home runs. His behavior post November 3rd has been far worse than that of his first four years. I am not sorry to see him gone. (However, I urge you not to interpret that as an endorsement of Joe Biden and the Democrat Party.) I would hope that DT would understand that my advice represents the best he can make of a very, very bad situation. I am not holding by breathe. As for the Democrats, one hopes that they would avoid the horrible policy articulated by Jonah Goldberg. Goldberg tells the story of the winning side in a battle, walking across the battlefield shooting the wounded enemy soldiers lying on the ground. In this case, it's not shooting the wounded, it's suggesting that opposition politicians be put on no-flight lists. I guess too many people have forgotten Lincoln's words. With malice toward none, with charity for all. AzWm The goal is to prevent him from holding office again. Resignation does not ensure that. The notion that this is politically motivated is a hypocritical farce by the party of willful ignorance. The same GOP who are complaining about metal detectors in the House. You cannot instigate, inflame or stir the pot and not deal with the ramifications. This is about the preservation of democracy.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 12, 2021 22:37:17 GMT -8
In the unlikely event that the President were to ask for my advice, here is what I would tell him. Mr. President, you have badly blundered since the November election. You have lost the support of many Republicans who heretofore were, to one degree or another, on your side. You have almost certainly lost the support of most of the nation's independents or members of minor parties. And, needless to say, you have increasingly alienated almost all Democrats.
It's too late to act in a stateman-like manner with regard to the election result. But is still not too late to go out on a positive note. I urge you to announce immediately that you are going to resign from office within 24 hours. If the Democrats then continue to pursue impeachment it will be seen for what it is, a totally partisan attempt to use the Constitution to exact a measure of revenge as well as partisan advantage.
I have always considered Trump unqualified to be POTUS. His personal behavior in office only confirmed my opinion. Yes, I supported and still support a number of his policies and decisions. But that's a little like saying Joe Blow only batted .150 this year, but he did hit a dozen home runs. His behavior post November 3rd has been far worse than that of his first four years. I am not sorry to see him gone. (However, I urge you not to interpret that as an endorsement of Joe Biden and the Democrat Party.) I would hope that DT would understand that my advice represents the best he can make of a very, very bad situation. I am not holding by breathe. As for the Democrats, one hopes that they would avoid the horrible policy articulated by Jonah Goldberg. Goldberg tells the story of the winning side in a battle, walking across the battlefield shooting the wounded enemy soldiers lying on the ground. In this case, it's not shooting the wounded, it's suggesting that opposition politicians be put on no-flight lists. I guess too many people have forgotten Lincoln's words. With malice toward none, with charity for all. AzWm The goal is to prevent him from holding office again. Resignation does not ensure that. The notion that this is politically motivated is a hypocritical farce by the party of willful ignorance. The same GOP who are complaining about metal detectors in the House. You cannot instigate, inflame or stir the pot and not deal with the ramifications. This is about the preservation of democracy. Implicit in your post is the fear that Trump, supposedly a home-grown Nazi, was intent on seizing power by force in Washington with the goal of becoming President for life. I mean, seriously? I don't think the man had any such carefully thought out goals. In any event, he has such a disorganized mind that there was not one chance in a million that he could have pulled off such a plan for that reason alone. There are, moreover, a number of other reasons why, even if he had planned from the start to seize the U.S. government, he would have failed. Did you even see the movie "Seven Days in May"? I do not for one minute attribute any patriotic motives to the current Democrats. It's clear to me that the Dems consider it within their grasp to become the permanent ruling party. The GOP has for a long time been mostly worthless. They stand for nothing. Worse yet, they seem not to worry much at the prospect of becoming a permanent minority party. One might say that they are the political equivalent of the Washington Generals. The Dems, at best, are foolish do-gooders who seek to make everything "fair" through government mandated redistribution of resources. At worst, the Dems are radical authoritarians who believe that it is their destiny to "guide" the unwashed masses, whom they distain. To those, Trump posed a possible threat to their goal of becoming the U.S. version of the Mexican PRI. (Whose rule in Mexico for over 70 years has left their country hopelessly corrupt.) The proto-fascists of the Left (which, I am happy to say, does not include every single Democrat operative) need not have been so afraid of Trump. Trump never was smart enough nor driven enough to be another Hitler or Mussolini. And, to be fair to Trump, he was against foreign wars and did not want the U.S. to be more and more subservient to international organizations who had little or no regard for the welfare of American citizens. I wish I could say the same about the Democrat Party with regard to that second point. So, the Left will be rid of Trump soon. There will be no second political act for the man. Nor should there be. He has done enough damage to the two-party system in this country already. AzWm PS: I hope I do not have to explain why I joined the Libertarian Party 45 years ago. To dig up an old cliché; a pox on both their houses.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 8:58:47 GMT -8
The goal is to prevent him from holding office again. Resignation does not ensure that. The notion that this is politically motivated is a hypocritical farce by the party of willful ignorance. The same GOP who are complaining about metal detectors in the House. You cannot instigate, inflame or stir the pot and not deal with the ramifications. This is about the preservation of democracy. Implicit in your post is the fear that Trump, supposedly a home-grown Nazi, was intent on seizing power by force in Washington with the goal of becoming President for life. I mean, seriously? I don't think the man had any such carefully thought out goals. In any event, he has such a disorganized mind that there was not one chance in a million that he could have pulled off such a plan for that reason alone. There are, moreover, a number of other reasons why, even if he had planned from the start to seize the U.S. government, he would have failed. Did you even see the movie "Seven Days in May"? I do not for one minute attribute any patriotic motives to the current Democrats. It's clear to me that the Dems consider it within their grasp to become the permanent ruling party. The GOP has for a long time been mostly worthless. They stand for nothing. Worse yet, they seem not to worry much at the prospect of becoming a permanent minority party. One might say that they are the political equivalent of the Washington Generals. The Dems, at best, are foolish do-gooders who seek to make everything "fair" through government mandated redistribution of resources. At worst, the Dems are radical authoritarians who believe that it is their destiny to "guide" the unwashed masses, whom they distain. To those, Trump posed a possible threat to their goal of becoming the U.S. version of the Mexican PRI. (Whose rule in Mexico for over 70 years has left their country hopelessly corrupt.) The proto-fascists of the Left (which, I am happy to say, does not include every single Democrat operative) need not have been so afraid of Trump. Trump never was smart enough nor driven enough to be another Hitler or Mussolini. And, to be fair to Trump, he was against foreign wars and did not want the U.S. to be more and more subservient to international organizations who had little or no regard for the welfare of American citizens. I wish I could say the same about the Democrat Party with regard to that second point. So, the Left will be rid of Trump soon. There will be no second political act for the man. Nor should there be. He has done enough damage to the two-party system in this country already. AzWm PS: I hope I do not have to explain why I joined the Libertarian Party 45 years ago. To dig up an old cliché; a pox on both their houses. I think your intentions are good, but this post has so many holes, it's worse than Swiss cheese.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 13, 2021 9:33:36 GMT -8
The goal is to prevent him from holding office again. Resignation does not ensure that. The notion that this is politically motivated is a hypocritical farce by the party of willful ignorance. The same GOP who are complaining about metal detectors in the House. You cannot instigate, inflame or stir the pot and not deal with the ramifications. This is about the preservation of democracy. Implicit in your post is the fear that Trump, supposedly a home-grown Nazi, was intent on seizing power by force in Washington with the goal of becoming President for life. I mean, seriously? I don't think the man had any such carefully thought out goals. In any event, he has such a disorganized mind that there was not one chance in a million that he could have pulled off such a plan for that reason alone. There are, moreover, a number of other reasons why, even if he had planned from the start to seize the U.S. government, he would have failed. Did you even see the movie "Seven Days in May"? I do not for one minute attribute any patriotic motives to the current Democrats. It's clear to me that the Dems consider it within their grasp to become the permanent ruling party. The GOP has for a long time been mostly worthless. They stand for nothing. Worse yet, they seem not to worry much at the prospect of becoming a permanent minority party. One might say that they are the political equivalent of the Washington Generals. The Dems, at best, are foolish do-gooders who seek to make everything "fair" through government mandated redistribution of resources. At worst, the Dems are radical authoritarians who believe that it is their destiny to "guide" the unwashed masses, whom they distain. To those, Trump posed a possible threat to their goal of becoming the U.S. version of the Mexican PRI. (Whose rule in Mexico for over 70 years has left their country hopelessly corrupt.) The proto-fascists of the Left (which, I am happy to say, does not include every single Democrat operative) need not have been so afraid of Trump. Trump never was smart enough nor driven enough to be another Hitler or Mussolini. And, to be fair to Trump, he was against foreign wars and did not want the U.S. to be more and more subservient to international organizations who had little or no regard for the welfare of American citizens. I wish I could say the same about the Democrat Party with regard to that second point. So, the Left will be rid of Trump soon. There will be no second political act for the man. Nor should there be. He has done enough damage to the two-party system in this country already. AzWm I think part of what you fail to see is that Trump is a spoiled rich kid who was never told, "No." So on top of his arrogance and narcissism he also believes that he's entitled to the Presidency if he wants it. There are too many things involved in the insurrection on the 6th that don't work or make any sense without some help from Trump. Read my timeline. It's pretty conclusive.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 13, 2021 11:03:30 GMT -8
Very well, maybe you could point out some of the holes. Merely making a charge proves nothing expect that your favored response on so many occasions is to plead nolo contendere.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 13, 2021 11:32:17 GMT -8
Erik says ...
I think part of what you fail to see is that Trump is a spoiled rich kid who was never told, "No." So on top of his arrogance and narcissism he also believes that he's entitled to the Presidency if he wants it.
Sorry, but you are wrong. I have, myself, often said that he was an arrogant and narcissism rich kid who could get away with whatever crappy thing he wanted to do. (I have often said that he never learned much about the world and had an undisciplined mind.) What I doubt is that he ever had the intention of seizing power by force and ruling by decree. For many reasons, even if he had wanted to seize power, such an outcome was never in any way possible.
The Democrats, of course, attribute every terrible thing in the book to Trump. Much more likely is that they, for some crazy reason, have feared that he would be able to do what they themselves want to do; which is to become the permanent rulers of the U.S.A. I believe that Trump-is-a-threat-to-the-Republic is not their real fear. Their real fear, totally unjustified in my view, is Trump-is-a-threat-to-the-Left. As I have indicated, that real fear has always been foolish. But then, every authoritarian ruler or party sees threats everywhere.
AzWm
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 13, 2021 11:41:53 GMT -8
Erik says ... I think part of what you fail to see is that Trump is a spoiled rich kid who was never told, "No." So on top of his arrogance and narcissism he also believes that he's entitled to the Presidency if he wants it.
Sorry, but you are wrong. I have, myself, often said that he was an arrogant and narcissism rich kid who could get away with whatever crappy thing he wanted to do. (I have often said that he never learned much about the world and had an undisciplined mind.) What I doubt is that he ever had the intention of seizing power by force and ruling by decree. For many reasons, even if he had wanted to seize power, such an outcome was never in any way possible. The Democrats, of course, attribute every terrible thing in the book to Trump. Much more likely is that they, for some crazy reason, have feared that he would be able to do what they themselves want to do; which is to become the permanent rulers of the U.S.A. I believe that Trump-is-a-threat-to-the-Republic is not their real fear. Their real fear, totally unjustified in my view, is Trump-is-a-threat-to-the-Left. As I have indicated, that real fear has always been foolish. But then, every authoritarian ruler or party sees threats everywhere. AzWm Simple question, then... Why has Trump been claiming election fraud where there was none? His own Cybersecurity Chief said that there was absolutely NO hacking, and NO electronic fraud of any kind. He said the election was 100% legit. His own Attorney General said that there was absolutely NO legitimate evidence of election fraud, and the election was 100% legit. So why the non-stop attacks on the election results as fraudulent if he didn't want to stay in office no matter what? What would his motivation be to muddy up the waters, try to convince his sheep that THEY have been robbed as well? (Let's face it, a lot of Trump supporters support him fully and believe everything he says - there are some really stupid, gullible people among them.) Why would he replace so many people in key positions at the Pentagon, FBI, NSA, DHS, etc, and replace them with people who were not fully qualified for those positions, and were just loyal Administration staffers - many of whom worked on his campaign? And why did he refuse to send in the National Guard once the Capitol had been breached and overrun? He refused to do it for two hours, and then VP Pence had to do it himself! There are too many things that point ONLY to him wanting to stay in office regardless of the legality of it. Nothing else explains it all away. Pointing out the flaws in the Democrats doesn't explain away what Trump did. As a registered Republican I am disgusted with what Trump has done over the last 3 months. He's a disgrace to the Party and to the country. What would William F. Buckley Jr. say about him? I don't think he'd support Trump. Let's face it, Trump has gone WAY beyond Nixon here. There is no excusing that.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 11:59:29 GMT -8
Very well, maybe you could point out some of the holes. Merely making a charge proves nothing expect that your favored response on so many occasions is to plead nolo contendere. AzWm You don't need to speak Latin continuously to illustrate a point that doesn't need illustrating to begin with. I'm not sure where you were when Trump repeatedly put out statements indicating Trump "2046" and plainly indicated that he and his family would control the strings. He absolutely sought to remain in office (even by proxy) without fear of consequence. The perception of this is just as awful as the reality. It underscores specific issues within government that the GOP will bow down to the Trumpist loyalism as we are seeing on the House floor right now, today. You keep arguing (falsely) that the idea he couldn't accomplish any of this is what matters. No, it's not. The fact he can prey upon impressionable people to create this vacuum of informaton is the problem. Election integrity is forever undermined now. The majority of Trump voters believe he was wronged, believe he was a VICTIM. (Sound familiar?) They have cast doubt that any future election will be clouded in doubt and illegitimate results. That's a damn problem. It jeopardizes democracy, endangers poll workers trying to do their job and is a stain on our history as a country. Your continuous whataboutism and projection is astoundingly ignorant of the consequences and the danger that this country has been put in. Joe Biden could be the AntiChrist and it would be a reprieve from the damage that has been done by Donald Trump and the cronyism, the yes-men that have surrounded him. Your unfounded and nonsensical "one ruling party" narrative is absent any rational evidence and blatantly accepts divisive rhetoric as okay. That's unacceptable and paints you in a very bad light. Separating Trump is one thing, but he has given rise to the new danger of these young, influential MAGA nutjobs like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene. Conspiracy theorists and gun freaks have now infiltrated the House. Boebert carries her gun TO THE HOUSE FLOOR. I just watched a Black congresswoman get booed by the Republican faction over the denouncement of white supremacy. But yes, tell me how the Democrats are the real danger because progressives believe in M4A and a wealth tax.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 14, 2021 15:19:26 GMT -8
The transfer of responsibility cost countless lives because Trump got angry.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 15, 2021 8:40:19 GMT -8
Operation No Speed.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 16, 2021 7:01:19 GMT -8
The trouble on this one is all at the state level. At this point West Virginia has all Healthcare workers, all Police, all Firefighters, all EMTs, most teachers, and is well on their way to having everyone over 65 vaccinated. They have distributed 92% of all vaccine they've been shipped. By comparison, California is 5th worst in the nation at only delivering 28% of the vaccine they've been shipped. To his credit, 2 days ago Gavin realized what a complete clusterf@*k his overly complicated race-based priority tier system has created and announced that state mandated system has now been abandoned. Counties can now distribute vaccine however they feel is best. Orange County immediately opened it up to everyone 65 and older. Los Angeles said they were sticking to health workers only, to be followed by their race-based system. I don't know what San Diego is doing and I'm not sure San Diego does either. At this point, California has nearly a million doses just sitting in freezers while people argue over who to give it to, and that amount of unused doses grows nearly every day.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 16, 2021 8:27:39 GMT -8
The trouble on this one is all at the state level. At this point West Virginia has all Healthcare workers, all Police, all Firefighters, all EMTs, most teachers, and is well on their way to having everyone over 65 vaccinated. They have distributed 92% of all vaccine they've been shipped. By comparison, California is 5th worst in the nation at only delivering 28% of the vaccine they've been shipped. To his credit, 2 days ago Gavin realized what a complete clusterf@*k his overly complicated race-based priority tier system has created and announced that state mandated system has now been abandoned. Counties can now distribute vaccine however they feel is best. Orange County immediately opened it up to everyone 65 and older. Los Angeles said they were sticking to health workers only, to be followed by their race-based system. I don't know what San Diego is doing and I'm not sure San Diego does either. At this point, California has nearly a million doses just sitting in freezers while people argue over who to give it to, and that amount of unused doses grows nearly every day. I don't know how you can say that with a straight face. The states were promised a reserve supply. It was never coming because it already had been exhausted by the federal government. Read the article.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 16, 2021 10:23:58 GMT -8
The trouble on this one is all at the state level. At this point West Virginia has all Healthcare workers, all Police, all Firefighters, all EMTs, most teachers, and is well on their way to having everyone over 65 vaccinated. They have distributed 92% of all vaccine they've been shipped. By comparison, California is 5th worst in the nation at only delivering 28% of the vaccine they've been shipped. To his credit, 2 days ago Gavin realized what a complete clusterf@*k his overly complicated race-based priority tier system has created and announced that state mandated system has now been abandoned. Counties can now distribute vaccine however they feel is best. Orange County immediately opened it up to everyone 65 and older. Los Angeles said they were sticking to health workers only, to be followed by their race-based system. I don't know what San Diego is doing and I'm not sure San Diego does either. At this point, California has nearly a million doses just sitting in freezers while people argue over who to give it to, and that amount of unused doses grows nearly every day. I don't know how you can say that with a straight face. The states were promised a reserve supply. It was never coming because it already had been exhausted by the federal government. Read the article. Because my brain works well enough to understand that when a state only distributes 28% of the vaccine it has in its possession, the problem isn't that the Feds didn't ship enough. I also think it hilarious the article quotes the Health Director of Oregon complaining about the Feds. Did you hear that recording of the Oregon Health Authority's Vaccine Advisory Committee spending 1 1/2 hours on introductions including asking each member to share a word of the day only to conclude the meeting despite deciding nothing because they ran out of their allotted time? And I thought California was bad.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 19, 2021 11:14:33 GMT -8
To answer the initial question asked by AztecWilliam back on March 16, 2020--the answer is no.
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