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Dec 2, 2019 17:01:44 GMT -8
Post by aztecfred on Dec 2, 2019 17:01:44 GMT -8
The stadium is a depressing place to go to. It is not a case of winning, offense, or giveaways. SDCCU is a dump to go to. When the new stadium opens it will be easier to get people through the door. Not sure why people don't understand this. Yes, but what happens when that novelty wears off? A new stadium is a great short-term solution but every other issue sans the place being a dump still exists. Doubt the stadium is a big factor in going/not going to game. As for getting in to parking/stadium? That is a matter of scheduling enough people to man the gates and concessions. Really can't beat prices and availability. |
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Post by hoobs on Dec 2, 2019 17:36:31 GMT -8
As a fellow sports fan and enthusiastic alum... I agree. But we are in the vast minority of graduates over the past several decades... the concept that going to a football game is the ultimate show of alumni support and camaraderie isn't totally shared. For some, coming back to campus to attend a concert might be a lot more interesting than football. However, I also agree that the Mission Valley expansion and new stadium could continue that culture change begun with hoops over the past decade. Another 'however'... what several posters here miss, or somewhat dance around, is that football (if not sports in general) attendance is down all over the country. One huge factor still being ignored is the game day experience costs too much. Just like dining out to casual restaurants is dying out due to the expense, so is physically attending the game. That's just one of many factors leading to a nation-wide issue of declining attendance. Having just an exciting offense and winning is pure fantasy to drive in fans when even those schools have seen a drop. Costs too much? Surely you jest... that plain silly. Based on memory, SDSU is in the bottom half of the MW in terms of ticket prices. Ticket prices could double, in the current stadium, and attendance would drop by well less than half... therefore SDSU is leaving money on the table. Prices will go up CONSIDERABLY with the new stadium... might as well get used to that now. |
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Dec 2, 2019 21:13:46 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 2, 2019 21:13:46 GMT -8
Because it's in Ohio?? What did they drop to? 98k per game??? It is still the lowest attendance number in a decade. So now geography is factor after being shown just having an exciting offense & winning isn't enough? I hope you didn't strain your back moving the goalposts. Clearly, you don't like differing opinions. That's fine. The anger and hostility isn't. Chill. Relax. Don't get so worked up just because people disagree with you. |
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Dec 3, 2019 4:33:56 GMT -8
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 4:33:56 GMT -8
One huge factor still being ignored is the game day experience costs too much. Just like dining out to casual restaurants is dying out due to the expense, so is physically attending the game. That's just one of many factors leading to a nation-wide issue of declining attendance. Having just an exciting offense and winning is pure fantasy to drive in fans when even those schools have seen a drop. Costs too much? Surely you jest... that plain silly. Based on memory, SDSU is in the bottom half of the MW in terms of ticket prices. Ticket prices could double, in the current stadium, and attendance would drop by well less than half... therefore SDSU is leaving money on the table. Prices will go up CONSIDERABLY with the new stadium... might as well get used to that now. LMAO. Clearly, you jest. You never bothered once to research why some industries are dying out. Nor have you bothered researching why people chose to watch games at home instead of attending. The most common answer to both was the high cost. Oh...thank you for proving it's a national problem for me as you mention our prices relative to others who all have attendance issues. |
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Dec 3, 2019 4:38:37 GMT -8
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 4:38:37 GMT -8
More people watch CFB at home as fewer attend games.
None of you realize it is NOT fewer people watching CFB as streaming, increased viewership. So more people are watching games.
CFB's problem is despite increased viewership, it has decreased attendance.
And you're saying high costs have nothing to do with it?
Bahahaha
Clearly you jest
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 4:44:40 GMT -8
It is still the lowest attendance number in a decade. So now geography is factor after being shown just having an exciting offense & winning isn't enough? I hope you didn't strain your back moving the goalposts. Clearly, you don't like differing opinions. That's fine. The anger and hostility isn't. Chill. Relax. Don't get so worked up just because people disagree with you. Clearly, you just make stuff up when you lose an argument. My problem isn't with different opinions as I've been here for years and this isn't my normal MO. So you chill I do have a problem with posters who insult me here and then give me warnings on bannings in DMs when I reply back to those insults. Now, I do like to debate against people with strong opinions formulated on garbage myths. It's a freaking message board. Prove your opinion is correct for the first time. Instead of relying on deflection. Show me how an exciting offense and winning produce increased attendance in CFB using modern examples. I've used multiple schools who win with exciting offenses and still have declining attendance. You've only used ad hom as your response Can you please stay on topic and attempt to actually provide support for your point for the very first time on this subject? |
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Dec 3, 2019 4:58:51 GMT -8
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 4:58:51 GMT -8
Yes, but what happens when that novelty wears off? A new stadium is a great short-term solution but every other issue sans the place being a dump still exists. Doubt the stadium is a big factor in going/not going to game. As for getting in to parking/stadium? That is a matter of scheduling enough people to man the gates and concessions. Really can't beat prices and availability. That's why I said novelty because the new stadium might get fans to attend a single game. But, everything with that experience is crucial in making it a fall event instead of a one-time novelty act. UAB did a great job with their fan engagement experience when they restarted their program. From social media parking guides and stadium traffic routing to low prices, it did a ton to engage fans rather than merely supply a giant stadium for their team to play in...prices & availability |
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Dec 3, 2019 7:50:20 GMT -8
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Post by aztecdan8 on Dec 3, 2019 7:50:20 GMT -8
It is still the lowest attendance number in a decade. So now geography is factor after being shown just having an exciting offense & winning isn't enough? I hope you didn't strain your back moving the goalposts. Clearly, you don't like differing opinions. That's fine. The anger and hostility isn't. Chill. Relax. Don't get so worked up just because people disagree with you. This ... and thank you. Geebus, enough already with this negative, angry, bitter, little person attacking every post that is not aligned with them. Not to mention Most of the “logic” being used is specious at best. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 3, 2019 8:56:47 GMT -8
As a fellow sports fan and enthusiastic alum... I agree. But we are in the vast minority of graduates over the past several decades... the concept that going to a football game is the ultimate show of alumni support and camaraderie isn't totally shared. For some, coming back to campus to attend a concert might be a lot more interesting than football. However, I also agree that the Mission Valley expansion and new stadium could continue that culture change begun with hoops over the past decade. Another 'however'... what several posters here miss, or somewhat dance around, is that football (if not sports in general) attendance is down all over the country. One huge factor still being ignored is the game day experience costs too much. Just like dining out to casual restaurants is dying out due to the expense, so is physically attending the game. That's just one of many factors leading to a nation-wide issue of declining attendance. Having just an exciting offense and winning is pure fantasy to drive in fans when even those schools have seen a drop. And High-Def big screen TVs are cheap with an excellent picture. Broadcast technology has improved. If you want the social aspect then you can throw a watch party. I think part of the drop in sports attendance can also be due to many younger people who are more interested in video games than actual sports. And the fact that generations coming up are glued to some type of screen for hours on end those that like sports are likely more inclined to view them the same way. |
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Dec 3, 2019 9:16:46 GMT -8
Post by Den60 on Dec 3, 2019 9:16:46 GMT -8
I don't know why u think QCOM is a dump. We thought it was pretty impressive, just needs a facelift. The parking was easy and it was almost full, the trolley stop is right there. Where are you going to park at SDSU west? And why do we need more retail? And there goes the Holiday Bowl. But I guess I'm beating a dead horse. The current stadium was not built for football, it was built for multi-use and was actually better for baseball than football. SDSU doesn't need 65k seats. The new stadium will be better suited for football, the front 12 rows will be close to the action and not "obstructed view" because the first row will be 5 to 6 feet above the playing surface. A 35K seat stadium will mean that seats will be more at a premium, so you can charge more for them - revenue the program desperately needs though now they will have the burden of paying off the stadium debt added to the budget. And, finally, having just 22K-25K actual butts in the seat won't look as bad as it does in the current stadium. You are right, though. Whatever bowl we host will be a step down from the HB. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Dec 3, 2019 9:40:51 GMT -8
I am a die hard fan but I passed on attending many lesser games when I lived in San Diego because the atmosphere SUCKS and I could watch it on TV. A new stadium is going to be a game changer as it will turn a negative into a huge positive.
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Dec 3, 2019 10:07:34 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 10:07:34 GMT -8
Clearly, you don't like differing opinions. That's fine. The anger and hostility isn't. Chill. Relax. Don't get so worked up just because people disagree with you. This ... and thank you. Geebus, enough already with this negative, angry, bitter, little person attacking every post that is not aligned with them. Not to mention Most of the “logic” being used is specious at best. LMAO I do enjoy you attacking me while pretending to be above the fray. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. FYI, since you're unaware, the entire time I merely applied the other poster's logic to other similar scenarios. So that's not my logic you're poking holes in. |
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Dec 3, 2019 10:09:40 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 10:09:40 GMT -8
One huge factor still being ignored is the game day experience costs too much. Just like dining out to casual restaurants is dying out due to the expense, so is physically attending the game. That's just one of many factors leading to a nation-wide issue of declining attendance. Having just an exciting offense and winning is pure fantasy to drive in fans when even those schools have seen a drop. And High-Def big screen TVs are cheap with an excellent picture. Broadcast technology has improved. If you want the social aspect then you can throw a watch party. I think part of the drop in sports attendance can also be due to many younger people who are more interested in video games than actual sports. And the fact that generations coming up are glued to some type of screen for hours on end those that like sports are likely more inclined to view them the same way. Schools who understand this factor will do much better than those who do not. You can use generational behaviors as an engagement tool. Hell, most people don't even know this is an issue regarding attendance as seen here. So they're not even at the stage where they formulate solutions. Meanwhile some schools like UAB are already doing this. |
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Post by legkick on Dec 3, 2019 10:10:35 GMT -8
LMAO I do enjoy you attacking me while pretending to be above the fray. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. FYI, since you're unaware, the entire time I merely applied the other poster's logic to other similar scenarios. So that's not my logic you're poking holes in. Isn't it amazing. As if "negative, angry, bitter, little person" isn't an ad hominem, whereas your well reasoned critiques of the content of posts are inappropriately characterized as such. |
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Dec 3, 2019 11:58:23 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Dec 3, 2019 11:58:23 GMT -8
And High-Def big screen TVs are cheap with an excellent picture. Broadcast technology has improved. If you want the social aspect then you can throw a watch party. I think part of the drop in sports attendance can also be due to many younger people who are more interested in video games than actual sports. And the fact that generations coming up are glued to some type of screen for hours on end those that like sports are likely more inclined to view them the same way. Schools who understand this factor will do much better than those who do not. You can use generational behaviors as an engagement tool. Hell, most people don't even know this is an issue regarding attendance as seen here. So they're not even at the stage where they formulate solutions. Meanwhile some schools like UAB are already doing this. Not sure why you keep bringing up UAB. They average under 25k in a 71k seat stadium, and are moving to a new 45k seat stadium in 2021, that they will be a tenant in. |
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Dec 3, 2019 12:14:50 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 12:14:50 GMT -8
Schools who understand this factor will do much better than those who do not. You can use generational behaviors as an engagement tool. Hell, most people don't even know this is an issue regarding attendance as seen here. So they're not even at the stage where they formulate solutions. Meanwhile some schools like UAB are already doing this. Not sure why you keep bringing up UAB. They average under 25k in a 71k seat stadium, and are moving to a new 45k seat stadium in 2021, that they will be a tenant in. I get what you're saying when you just look at those numbers alone. However, it's still better than the 18K before the program's death. They're seeing an increase in attendance...the opposite of a national trend. That's my reasoning. frntofficesport.com/uab-attendance-fan-experience/ |
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Dec 3, 2019 12:15:49 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 12:15:49 GMT -8
LMAO I do enjoy you attacking me while pretending to be above the fray. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. FYI, since you're unaware, the entire time I merely applied the other poster's logic to other similar scenarios. So that's not my logic you're poking holes in. Isn't it amazing. As if "negative, angry, bitter, little person" isn't an ad hominem, whereas your well reasoned critiques of the content of posts are inappropriately characterized as such. I guess I gotta know a guy. lol |
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Dec 3, 2019 13:39:07 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Dec 3, 2019 13:39:07 GMT -8
Not sure why you keep bringing up UAB. They average under 25k in a 71k seat stadium, and are moving to a new 45k seat stadium in 2021, that they will be a tenant in. I get what you're saying when you just look at those numbers alone. However, it's still better than the 18K before the program's death. They're seeing an increase in attendance...the opposite of a national trend. That's my reasoning. frntofficesport.com/uab-attendance-fan-experience/Yes, they have increased from the 18k before they disbanded, but they aren't growing the fan base--at least not in terms of increased attendance. 2017: 26042/game. 2018: 24291/game. 2019: 24725/game. I hope for their sake they got a really good lease in the new stadium--one that allows them to share game day revenues, as opposed to what SDSU has currently. |
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Dec 3, 2019 13:45:24 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 13:45:24 GMT -8
I get what you're saying when you just look at those numbers alone. However, it's still better than the 18K before the program's death. They're seeing an increase in attendance...the opposite of a national trend. That's my reasoning. frntofficesport.com/uab-attendance-fan-experience/Yes, they have increased from the 18k before they disbanded, but they aren't growing the fan base--at least not in terms of increased attendance. 2017: 26042/game. 2018: 24291/game. 2019: 24725/game. I hope for their sake they got a really good lease in the new stadium--one that allows them to share game day revenues, as opposed to what SDSU has currently. Good call with the data Gosh I hope we dont get robbed again |
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Dec 4, 2019 22:42:15 GMT -8
Post by tonatiuh on Dec 4, 2019 22:42:15 GMT -8
So, 29,896 fans in a 35K seat stadium would actually make it look pretty full. You're only about 3100 short of capacity which isn't bad at all.
And, since we will have a brand new stadium you don't think the extra 3,000 to 5,000 fans might want to show up just to see the new stadium?
Sure would look more full than it does currently in a 70K plus stadium wouldn't it?
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