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Post by Cwag on Dec 1, 2019 9:12:36 GMT -8
A new stadium will really help. When the fans see SDSSU invest in a facility that is nicer and has a better game experience they will buy tickets for it. I can see it selling out the first few years for most games as people will want to check it out. If the team is really good those years they will come back. For most of the games this year a smaller stadium would have been more exciting with the same size crowds and may have helped them win the games where they has the ball with a chance to win at the end. lets create supply and demand for tickets.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 1, 2019 9:16:14 GMT -8
two observations is the mindset of SDSU students and san diego state alumni (less than 1000 students? in the student section is a disgrace) and the desire to attend home football and basketball games and that if children attend games with family they are more likely to be fans for life and keep going to games. I despise bywho but their fan base is made up of mom and dads who bring their children making them fans for life. I started attending games in the 1970s before I was a teenager with my late father and having lived in san diego/inland empire nov. 1990-mar. 1991 for most of my life meaning I AM AN AZTEC FOR LIFE. It is a disgrace that a city with almost 1,300,000+ residents that san diego can't sell-out our stadium of about 65,000. also, the weather is normally good and so what that it was in the 50s for tonights game this was our version of football weather. Minnesota sold out their game with Wisconsin and it snowed during today's game and/or travel on icy roads just to get to their school's sports events. here is an idea for next year football games all upper level tickets are $10 (currently unsold except for the sky show game). field, plaza, loge, press are $20-25. the loss of ticket revenue would be made up in concessions and merchandise. also, parking is $5. The only revenue the Aztecs get under the current lease for the stadium with the city is the ticket revenue. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 9:18:44 GMT -8
No, what's comically stupid is not taking population and sheer numbers of alumni in the area into consideration. SDSU should absolutely demolish the competition when it comes to attendance based on those factors. A much, MUCH higher percentage of the local population shows up to games for our competition than shows up from our population here. LMAO You mean just like how UCLA only averaged 43k in a stadium that seats more than twice that WITH an "exciting offense" in a city with even more people and alums? FYI, that's a record low since UCLA moved to the RB for home games...in 1982 And again, they run an "exciting offense" What's comically stupid is a fellow alumnus forgetting what makes a hypotheses valid. So, because UCLA underperformed with their attendance (and they did) that means that taking population and the number of alumni into consideration isn't valid. That's absurd. There's a reason why professional teams don't go into small cities like Reno - not enough of a population base to sell tickets to. Oh, and having a losing record will also negatively affect attendance, and UCLA has been losing more than winning for several years. The fanbase has been turned off by constant losing. How do you get good attendance? Have exciting games and win more than you lose. It's really pretty simple. Boring games, even if you win, do not bring in casual fans. Losing games do not bring in casual fans. You need to play exciting, entertaining football and win to draw larger crowds. And the bigger the population base is the easier it is to get those bigger crowds when you're winning and playing exciting football. This isn't rocket science. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Dec 1, 2019 9:20:28 GMT -8
Yes, our lack of offense has been frustrating, but...
If you can’t appreciate and enjoy the excellent play of our defense and special teams then you are neither a fan of football or SDSU.
Good gawd, we beat UCLA, BYU and Fresno - without an offense. A defense that held every team well below their average and kept us in EVERY game is just as awesome as any high scoring offense!
There is no reason, just excuses, why SD doesn’t support their team.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 1, 2019 9:23:29 GMT -8
That folks, was the average attendance this season at home. Total of 179,376. Ticks me off royally, since I was hoping, prior to the start of this season, that the amount of fans attending would end up making the idea of a future stadium with only 35k look silly (I continue to be a honk for a stadium that seats between 40-45k). The reality of the final results makes the need for a 35k seat venue look un-silly  Weber State.....40,222 Utah State....27,367 Wyoming.....28,758 Nevada.....27,973 Fresno State......26,876 BYU....28,180 The attendance will continue to erode until we can get rid of the 7:30PM start time. If you want to see numbers that justify a 40k seat stadium, try a family friendly 1:15 PM start time. Changing coaches, offensive schemes, etc., is all just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. My 7-year old's normal bedtime is 7:30PM. I do drag him to every home game but we never stay for the second half. I have a close friend who does the same because of his 3-year old. We have another friend who used to go but no longer does because she values her young son's sleep schedule. Those of you who do not have young kids may not understand the constraints they can put on your schedule, but it is a big deal. Tailgating and cheering for a team is a great family bonding time, but the start time rules it out for many, many families who would otherwise being buying 3-10 tickets per game. |
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Post by Cwag on Dec 1, 2019 9:29:58 GMT -8
That folks, was the average attendance this season at home. Total of 179,376. Ticks me off royally, since I was hoping, prior to the start of this season, that the amount of fans attending would end up making the idea of a future stadium with only 35k look silly (I continue to be a honk for a stadium that seats between 40-45k). The reality of the final results makes the need for a 35k seat venue look un-silly Weber State.....40,222 Utah State....27,367 Wyoming.....28,758 Nevada.....27,973 Fresno State......26,876 BYU....28,180 The attendance will continue to erode until we can get rid of the 7:30PM start time. If you want to see numbers that justify a 40k seat stadium, try a family friendly 1:15 PM start time. Changing coaches, offensive schemes, etc., is all just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. My 7-year old's normal bedtime is 7:30PM. I do drag him to every home game but we never stay for the second half. I have a close friend who does the same because of his 3-year old. We have another friend who used to go but no longer does because she values her young son's sleep schedule. Those of you who do not have young kids may not understand the constraints they can put on your schedule, but it is a big deal. Tailgating and cheering for a team is a great family bonding time, but the start time rules it out for many, many families who would otherwise being buying 3-10 tickets per game. Maybe a compromise of a 6pm start time is something to consider.The reality is that there will be games that start at crazy times and even day based on TV. ^pm wold let the gates open at 4pm and the games would be over by about 9pm. |
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Dec 1, 2019 9:30:19 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 9:30:19 GMT -8
Yes, our lack of offense has been frustrating, but... If you can’t appreciate and enjoy the excellent play of our defense and special teams then you are neither a fan of football or SDSU. Good gawd, we beat UCLA, BYU and Fresno - without an offense. A defense that held every team well below their average and kept us in EVERY game is just as awesome as any high scoring offense! There is no reason, just excuses, why SD doesn’t support their team. Go Aztecs! No, in San Diego there are so many things to do it's a competition. You don't seem to get that. SDSU is COMPETITING for the entertainment dollars of would be fans in San Diego. To EARN those entertainment dollars SDSU has to put an entertaining product on the field. The basketball program put an entertaining team on the court, and fans came in droves. San Diego is a frontrunners' town. The people here support winners who are entertaining. They won't waste their money on losers, and they won't waste their money on bad football or basketball. The Aztecs have played bad football all year long - bad on the side of the ball that people come to watch. A vast majority of football fans are there to watch the offense. That's just a fact, and our offense was TERRIBLE the last two seasons. Awful. So the attendance numbers reflect that fact. |
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Dec 1, 2019 9:52:59 GMT -8
Post by gocoaztec on Dec 1, 2019 9:52:59 GMT -8
Yes, our lack of offense has been frustrating, but... If you can’t appreciate and enjoy the excellent play of our defense and special teams then you are neither a fan of football or SDSU. Good gawd, we beat UCLA, BYU and Fresno - without an offense. A defense that held every team well below their average and kept us in EVERY game is just as awesome as any high scoring offense! There is no reason, just excuses, why SD doesn’t support their team. Go Aztecs! No, in San Diego there are so many things to do it's a competition. You don't seem to get that. SDSU is COMPETITING for the entertainment dollars of would be fans in San Diego. To EARN those entertainment dollars SDSU has to put an entertaining product on the field. The basketball program put an entertaining team on the court, and fans came in droves. What does SD have that any other medium or larger city doesn’t have? And don’t say “the beach” - nobody is at the beach at 7:30 at night. No, it’s even worse than that. 22,000 for a home championship game on a beautiful night? SD has never won or excelled at anything - at least in the last 20 years or so. The people are like drugged zombies who have little community spirit. It’s sad to see how bad it’s become. The offense has been bad, but the defense has been great, and the team has won more than they’ve lost. No, it reflects an apathetic city which promotes a self-centered lifestyle. Go Aztecs! |
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Dec 1, 2019 10:01:07 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 10:01:07 GMT -8
No, in San Diego there are so many things to do it's a competition. You don't seem to get that. SDSU is COMPETITING for the entertainment dollars of would be fans in San Diego. To EARN those entertainment dollars SDSU has to put an entertaining product on the field. The basketball program put an entertaining team on the court, and fans came in droves. What does SD have that any other medium or larger city doesn’t have? And don’t say “the beach” - nobody is at the beach at 7:30 at night. No, it’s even worse than that. 22,000 for a home championship game on a beautiful night? SD has never won or excelled at anything - at least in the last 20 years or so. The people are like drugged zombies who have little community spirit. It’s sad to see how bad it’s become. The offense has been bad, but the defense has been great, and the team has won more than they’ve lost. No, it reflects an apathetic city which promotes a self-centered lifestyle. Go Aztecs! Wow, that almost sounds like self-loathing for having been part of a city that you clearly hate. That's really kind of sad. What is there to do in San Diego that most mid to small sized cities don't have? Major concerts. Better clubs. The zoo. Sea World. And people do go to the beach at night when it's warm. And the better weather makes doing things outside possible in San Diego when it's impractical and improbable elsewhere. |
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Post by perch on Dec 1, 2019 10:05:10 GMT -8
This is a true story. At one of our "exciting" games in the past I looked over and my wife was asleep. The wife of our friends next to us was asleep. I looked at another nearby friends wife and she was reading a book! Does this tell you something??
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Dec 1, 2019 10:06:51 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 10:06:51 GMT -8
This is a true story. At one of our "exciting" games in the past I looked over and my wife was asleep. The wife of our friends next to us was asleep. I looked at another nearby friends wife and she was reading a book! Does this tell you something?? They don't like football?? |
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Dec 1, 2019 10:13:07 GMT -8
For some bizarre reason I recently watched a replay of 52-52. The Aztecs that night were defensively helpless against Ty Detmer. But on offense Luginbill had a dazzling array of weapons that probably would have schooled this year’s Aztec defense. So when the Cougars showed up, how did the town respond? With one of the largest, loudest, most boisterous crowds in this city’s history. And that was an entire generation ago. Luginbill wasn’t my favorite guy, but he understood that football is supposed to be entertainment. People pay money to see it because they want to have a good time. This Aztec team is anything but. Fans in my section squirmed in their seats for every home game, last night’s win included. You want the fans back? Put the excitement back. Screw you I can't stand "fans" like you who'd rather lose 52-51 than win 13-3. Although we tied BYU that game, SDSU lost more games than it won with "exciting" offenses. How many bowl games did that take us to under him, Tolner & Craft? Ten in a row with 9 under Rocky. Go root for the LA Chargers with your debunked opinions in a season the Aztecs beat UCLA, Fresno and BYU. You could all stay off the band wagon for all I care. You want the crowds back or not? |
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Post by gocoaztec on Dec 1, 2019 11:10:20 GMT -8
What does SD have that any other medium or larger city doesn’t have? And don’t say “the beach” - nobody is at the beach at 7:30 at night. No, it’s even worse than that. 22,000 for a home championship game on a beautiful night? SD has never won or excelled at anything - at least in the last 20 years or so. The people are like drugged zombies who have little community spirit. It’s sad to see how bad it’s become. The offense has been bad, but the defense has been great, and the team has won more than they’ve lost. No, it reflects an apathetic city which promotes a self-centered lifestyle. Go Aztecs! Wow, that almost sounds like self-loathing for having been part of a city that you clearly hate. That's really kind of sad. What is there to do in San Diego that most mid to small sized cities don't have? Major concerts. Better clubs. The zoo. Sea World. And people do go to the beach at night when it's warm. And the better weather makes doing things outside possible in San Diego when it's impractical and improbable elsewhere. Major concerts - no more than other cities, and SD has poorer venues than most. Better clubs - you gotta be kidding me. The zoo - better than most. Must be really busy every Saturday night in November. Sea World - see above, except with all the baggage of “Blackfish”. The beach at night in November? I think that it’s often difficult for those who have never left SD to see it’s shortcomings - they’ve lived the “America’s Finest City” propaganda for too long. I grew up in SD (at the beach) and graduated from SDSU - and I was as big a fan of all things SD as anyone, until my job took me to live in other places. Then, as I continued to visit my beloved SD over the years, I could more clearly see the deterioration of the social fabric and the lack of a united community spirit. There was a time when SD was a can-do city - from building the first airplane to fly non-stop across the Atlantic, to the first rocket to orbit an astronaut. SD built the model for multi-use stadiums, the worlds best zoo, hosted the world fair, and attracted pro teams in football, basketball and baseball. The city donated land to make the vision of a second great university a reality. What do these things all have in common? They are relatively ancient history. SD lost it’s 2 NBA teams and it’s NFL franchise. SD let the model stadium fall into disrepair, and was unable to replace it with a modern stadium as scores of other, smaller cities have done. SDSU has had to fight just to get the right to buy unused land at market value. People used to feel that SDSU was woven into the fabric of SD - it was a part of their family. Now, few even care. Is it sad? Yes, it’s very sad. But, I am by nature an optimist, so I continue to hope for a reawakening of America’s Finest City. Go Aztecs! |
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Dec 1, 2019 11:17:48 GMT -8
Post by AccessBowlTime on Dec 1, 2019 11:17:48 GMT -8
For some bizarre reason I recently watched a replay of 52-52. The Aztecs that night were defensively helpless against Ty Detmer. But on offense Luginbill had a dazzling array of weapons that probably would have schooled this year’s Aztec defense. So when the Cougars showed up, how did the town respond? With one of the largest, loudest, most boisterous crowds in this city’s history. And that was an entire generation ago. Luginbill wasn’t my favorite guy, but he understood that football is supposed to be entertainment. People pay money to see it because they want to have a good time. This Aztec team is anything but. Fans in my section squirmed in their seats for every home game, last night’s win included. You want the fans back? Put the excitement back. Somewhere there must exist a happy medium. |
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Post by hoobs on Dec 1, 2019 12:03:04 GMT -8
Folks need to stop complaining / wanting the university to change start times. Those are dictated by the conference's media contract. And before someone suggests it... no, going independent doesn't solve anything as the 7:30pm timeslot would remain the inventory that broadcasters need to fill from west coast teams. The Pac12 has the same problem.
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Dec 1, 2019 13:31:46 GMT -8
Post by jp92grad on Dec 1, 2019 13:31:46 GMT -8
For some bizarre reason I recently watched a replay of 52-52. The Aztecs that night were defensively helpless against Ty Detmer. But on offense Luginbill had a dazzling array of weapons that probably would have schooled this year’s Aztec defense. So when the Cougars showed up, how did the town respond? With one of the largest, loudest, most boisterous crowds in this city’s history. And that was an entire generation ago. Luginbill wasn’t my favorite guy, but he understood that football is supposed to be entertainment. People pay money to see it because they want to have a good time. This Aztec team is anything but. Fans in my section squirmed in their seats for every home game, last night’s win included. You want the fans back? Put the excitement back. College memories, I still blame that game on the San Diego Chicken, for those at the game they remember! He came out at the end of the 3rd quarter and put on that skit with his little chickides coming out of that egg. This delayed the game over 10 minutes and SDSU never could regain their momentum again, that's my story and am sticking to it. Damn them BYU people. On a side note, I went in typical so-cal attire (shorts, t-shirt and flipflops) and had a few to many refreshments (smuggled in of course) and by the end of the game was feeling to pain. I was sicker then a dog (they called it a form of walking pneumonia) for almost a week after that game. The combination of pre-game and game time festivities along with night time temps late into the night added with the outcome still haunts me to this day. I always enjoy SDSU beating BYU in everything, but to be honest I would prefer that SDSU never plays BYU in any sport ever again. Go Aztecs! |
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Dec 1, 2019 13:43:39 GMT -8
Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Dec 1, 2019 13:43:39 GMT -8
That folks, was the average attendance this season at home. Total of 179,376. Ticks me off royally, since I was hoping, prior to the start of this season, that the amount of fans attending would end up making the idea of a future stadium with only 35k look silly (I continue to be a honk for a stadium that seats between 40-45k). The reality of the final results makes the need for a 35k seat venue look un-silly Weber State.....40,222 Utah State....27,367 Wyoming.....28,758 Nevada.....27,973 Fresno State......26,876 BYU....28,180 The attendance will continue to erode until we can get rid of the 7:30PM start time. If you want to see numbers that justify a 40k seat stadium, try a family friendly 1:15 PM start time. Changing coaches, offensive schemes, etc., is all just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. My 7-year old's normal bedtime is 7:30PM. I do drag him to every home game but we never stay for the second half. I have a close friend who does the same because of his 3-year old. We have another friend who used to go but no longer does because she values her young son's sleep schedule. Those of you who do not have young kids may not understand the constraints they can put on your schedule, but it is a big deal. Tailgating and cheering for a team is a great family bonding time, but the start time rules it out for many, many families who would otherwise being buying 3-10 tickets per game. I have to disagree that the start time is the major factor in low attendance. In the 70's under Coryell and Gilbert we averaged close to 50K and almost all the games started at 7pm. I was in elementary school so the late start time did not affect attendance of families. I will agree that we played a more exciting brand of offense. Student attendance is lacking because they don't go after the fraternities, sororities and clubs on campus to encourage us the way AD Fred Miller did. He came to our fraternity house and sold us on needing us to be successful. We bought a block of 40 tickets at $3 per person for the season. We tailgated as a group and sat together. If the AD now would do this I think it would create greater attendance than just giving all students free tickets GA seating style in the student section. It also would pay off 20 years from now when alums continue to support the program in attendance and donations. Go Aztecs! |
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Post by zurac315 on Dec 1, 2019 14:11:03 GMT -8
In the past we often excelled at playing high-scoring, exciting football and losing. Where did that get us? And I love it when people talk about all the other stuff there is to do in San Diego that keeps down attendance. Like there is nothing to do anywhere else? Lately we have been doing very well with limited resources. We don't even pay our head coach what Fresno State does and we are going to get to the "next level?" What is the next level? How many schools have actually pulled that off? Precious few I would bet. To do that we would at least need another school president like good, old Malcolm Love and a ton of resources. People who can't enjoy our present successes are in for a long and probably disappointing ride. A new and more inviting stadium where we can keep some of the income may help a bit.
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Dec 1, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -8
Post by cmonaztecs on Dec 1, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -8
Perhaps Horton would open up the offense with a stronger throwing QB.
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Dec 2, 2019 5:27:29 GMT -8
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 5:27:29 GMT -8
LMAO You mean just like how UCLA only averaged 43k in a stadium that seats more than twice that WITH an "exciting offense" in a city with even more people and alums? FYI, that's a record low since UCLA moved to the RB for home games...in 1982 And again, they run an "exciting offense" What's comically stupid is a fellow alumnus forgetting what makes a hypotheses valid. So, because UCLA underperformed with their attendance (and they did) that means that taking population and the number of alumni into consideration isn't valid. That's absurd. There's a reason why professional teams don't go into small cities like Reno - not enough of a population base to sell tickets to. Oh, and having a losing record will also negatively affect attendance, and UCLA has been losing more than winning for several years. The fanbase has been turned off by constant losing. How do you get good attendance? Have exciting games and win more than you lose. It's really pretty simple. Boring games, even if you win, do not bring in casual fans. Losing games do not bring in casual fans. You need to play exciting, entertaining football and win to draw larger crowds. And the bigger the population base is the easier it is to get those bigger crowds when you're winning and playing exciting football. This isn't rocket science. Bahahaha. LMFAO! You're right about only one thing...it isn't science. Otherwise, you'd make at least one attempt to test your faulty hypothesis. According to you, both winning more and providing an exciting offense is the formula for success in increasing attendance. Please explain the drop in attendance for the 2019 MWC West Division Champions who run arguably the most exciting offense in the nation. |
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