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Post by Den60 on Dec 2, 2019 9:00:02 GMT -8
I don't think you can justify more than 35K for a stadium in San Diego. Maybe 40K if we were to get into the PAC-12 which is not even on the radar. Football attendance in the PAC-12 has been falling, in fact it has been declining in all of the P5 conferences though the PAC-12 has seen the largest decline of over 13% from 2013 - 2018 where their aggregate average was just 46.4K/game. Getting into a better conference, and really the PAC-12 is our only viable choice for a P5 conference, is one thing (a very difficult one as well) but in order to fill the seats in San Diego you have to win as well.
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Post by aztecfred on Dec 2, 2019 9:33:30 GMT -8
Pac 12 is never gonna happen! Get over it and move on! Big 12, AAC or BOR is all that could happen. I'm for any of them in that order.
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Dec 2, 2019 12:07:55 GMT -8
Post by AzTex on Dec 2, 2019 12:07:55 GMT -8
Pac 12 is never gonna happen! Get over it and move on! Big 12, AAC or BOR is all that could happen. I'm for any of them in that order. I think you're absolutely right. Short of a major reorganization, for reasons I can't imagine right now, the Pac 12 will never let us in. The Big 12 is the only P5 possibility and that's extremely slim, maybe less. For a Big 12 invite to happen, Texas and Oklahoma will probably have to move to other conferences. AAC or BOR are the only attractive options that have any reasonable chance of happening. Sadly, the most likely is for us to remain right where we are in the MW. |
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Dec 2, 2019 12:17:45 GMT -8
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 12:17:45 GMT -8
Screw you I can't stand "fans" like you who'd rather lose 52-51 than win 13-3. Although we tied BYU that game, SDSU lost more games than it won with "exciting" offenses. How many bowl games did that take us to under him, Tolner & Craft? Ten in a row with 9 under Rocky. Go root for the LA Chargers with your debunked opinions in a season the Aztecs beat UCLA, Fresno and BYU. You could all stay off the band wagon for all I care. You want the crowds back or not? Not using your debunked logic |
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Dec 2, 2019 12:20:55 GMT -8
Post by MarshallU on Dec 2, 2019 12:20:55 GMT -8
Screw you I can't stand "fans" like you who'd rather lose 52-51 than win 13-3. Although we tied BYU that game, SDSU lost more games than it won with "exciting" offenses. Go root for the LA Chargers with your debunked opinions in a season the Aztecs beat UCLA, Fresno and BYU. You could all stay off the band wagon for all I care.
You could be a little less angry and a little less hostile towards other SDSU fans and Aztec Mesa board members just for having a different opinion than yours.
Then again, you can continue to be hostile and end up like many others do, breaking forum rules out of temper tantrums and end up getting banned. Personally, I'd choose the more rational, reasonable option, but I can't make you do that. Just consider this advice from the Mod team. i never agree with anything you say... until now! |
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Dec 2, 2019 12:34:44 GMT -8
Post by Den60 on Dec 2, 2019 12:34:44 GMT -8
Pac 12 is never gonna happen! Get over it and move on! Big 12, AAC or BOR is all that could happen. I'm for any of them in that order. Should the BIG-12 get its best programs poached by the B10 then I could see perhaps a couple programs coming in in a BOR scenario but that would still be lower than a P-5 conference. We have already, and just recently, been rejected by the B-12 because of travel distance - and that is not going to change - so even a BOR scenario could leave us on the outside looking in. To me, the only real option for a P5 conference is the PAC-12 and the chances of that happening are slim and none and closer to the latter than the former. |
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Dec 2, 2019 12:51:11 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 12:51:11 GMT -8
More debunking...
If an "exciting offense and winning" are what's needed to increase attendance, then why did tOSU see a decade low attendance last year?
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Dec 2, 2019 13:18:33 GMT -8
Post by aztech on Dec 2, 2019 13:18:33 GMT -8
I don't think you can justify more than 35K for a stadium in San Diego. Maybe 40K if we were to get into the PAC-12 which is not even on the radar. Football attendance in the PAC-12 has been falling, in fact it has been declining in all of the P5 conferences though the PAC-12 has seen the largest decline of over 13% from 2013 - 2018 where their aggregate average was just 46.4K/game. Getting into a better conference, and really the PAC-12 is our only viable choice for a P5 conference, is one thing (a very difficult one as well) but in order to fill the seats in San Diego you have to win as well. Another thing you have to consider is when we play P5 teams, they'll bring a lot of traveling fans here. Besides, San Diego is after all a tourist city. It can be tricky however, you don't want too tough of an OOC schedule heavily weighted toward P5 schools. |
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Dec 2, 2019 13:46:54 GMT -8
Post by uncledougy on Dec 2, 2019 13:46:54 GMT -8
Well, let's face it - that is in part the byproduct of an anemic offense that's been put on the field for the last two seasons. San Diegans do not like to watch grind-it-out type football. Winning ugly is just ugly football to most football fans in San Diego. Want to get more people through the gates? Get a better, more exciting offense on the field while keeping a good defense. Win 42-27 every week and attendance will rise dramatically. It’s more like San Diegans are lame sports fans who don’t support their own teams...even if they win. Plus this town doesn’t care when the Aztecs play these truck stop universities. Maybe the new stadium will make a difference, but I think San Diegans want to see PAC 12, Big 12, Big 10 ACC and SEC opponents, not Weber St and BYU. Rocky has made it clear that these schools are VERY reluctant to come here. What P5 school wants to lose to San Diego Stinking State? What confuses me is the 200k+ alumni in the area can’t make the trip to see the Aztecs 6 times a year? |
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Dec 2, 2019 13:52:12 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Dec 2, 2019 13:52:12 GMT -8
It’s more like San Diegans are lame sports fans who don’t support their own teams...even if they win. Plus this town doesn’t care when the Aztecs play these truck stop universities. Maybe the new stadium will make a difference, but I think San Diegans want to see PAC 12, Big 12, Big 10 ACC and SEC opponents, not Weber St and BYU. Rocky has made it clear that these schools are VERY reluctant to come here. What P5 school wants to lose to San Diego Stinking State? What confuses me is the 200k+ alumni in the area can’t make the trip to see the Aztecs 6 times a year? Only a relatively small % of alums really care about sports... |
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Post by uncledougy on Dec 2, 2019 13:56:24 GMT -8
This forum is a microcosm of Aztec fans. Way too much bickering between Aztec fans....
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Dec 2, 2019 13:57:28 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 2, 2019 13:57:28 GMT -8
More debunking... If an "exciting offense and winning" are what's needed to increase attendance, then why did tOSU see a decade low attendance last year? Because it's in Ohio?? What did they drop to? 98k per game??? |
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Post by uncledougy on Dec 2, 2019 14:00:08 GMT -8
What confuses me is the 200k+ alumni in the area can’t make the trip to see the Aztecs 6 times a year? Only a relatively small % of alums really care about sports... I understand your point about alums caring about sports, maybe the new stadium will help. I see it as supporting the school whether you like sports or not. You get together with fellow alums for a good time out. |
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Dec 2, 2019 16:23:29 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Dec 2, 2019 16:23:29 GMT -8
Only a relatively small % of alums really care about sports... I understand your point about alums caring about sports, maybe the new stadium will help. I see it as supporting the school whether you like sports or not. You get together with fellow alums for a good time out. As a fellow sports fan and enthusiastic alum... I agree. But we are in the vast minority of graduates over the past several decades... the concept that going to a football game is the ultimate show of alumni support and camaraderie isn't totally shared. For some, coming back to campus to attend a concert might be a lot more interesting than football. However, I also agree that the Mission Valley expansion and new stadium could continue that culture change begun with hoops over the past decade. Another 'however'... what several posters here miss, or somewhat dance around, is that football (if not sports in general) attendance is down all over the country. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 16:26:58 GMT -8
More debunking... If an "exciting offense and winning" are what's needed to increase attendance, then why did tOSU see a decade low attendance last year? Because it's in Ohio?? What did they drop to? 98k per game??? It is still the lowest attendance number in a decade. So now geography is factor after being shown just having an exciting offense & winning isn't enough? I hope you didn't strain your back moving the goalposts. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 16:29:31 GMT -8
I understand your point about alums caring about sports, maybe the new stadium will help. I see it as supporting the school whether you like sports or not. You get together with fellow alums for a good time out. As a fellow sports fan and enthusiastic alum... I agree. But we are in the vast minority of graduates over the past several decades... the concept that going to a football game is the ultimate show of alumni support and camaraderie isn't totally shared. For some, coming back to campus to attend a concert might be a lot more interesting than football. However, I also agree that the Mission Valley expansion and new stadium could continue that culture change begun with hoops over the past decade. Another 'however'... what several posters here miss, or somewhat dance around, is that football (if not sports in general) attendance is down all over the country. One huge factor still being ignored is the game day experience costs too much. Just like dining out to casual restaurants is dying out due to the expense, so is physically attending the game. That's just one of many factors leading to a nation-wide issue of declining attendance. Having just an exciting offense and winning is pure fantasy to drive in fans when even those schools have seen a drop. |
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Dec 2, 2019 16:42:33 GMT -8
Post by rebar619 on Dec 2, 2019 16:42:33 GMT -8
That folks, was the average attendance this season at home. Total of 179,376. Ticks me off royally, since I was hoping, prior to the start of this season, that the amount of fans attending would end up making the idea of a future stadium with only 35k look silly (I continue to be a honk for a stadium that seats between 40-45k). The reality of the final results makes the need for a 35k seat venue look un-silly  Weber State.....40,222 Utah State....27,367 Wyoming.....28,758 Nevada.....27,973 Fresno State......26,876 BYU....28,180 The stadium is a depressing place to go to. It is not a case of winning, offense, or giveaways. SDCCU is a dump to go to. When the new stadium opens it will be easier to get people through the door. Not sure why people don't understand this. |
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Dec 2, 2019 16:44:54 GMT -8
Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 16:44:54 GMT -8
That folks, was the average attendance this season at home. Total of 179,376. Ticks me off royally, since I was hoping, prior to the start of this season, that the amount of fans attending would end up making the idea of a future stadium with only 35k look silly (I continue to be a honk for a stadium that seats between 40-45k). The reality of the final results makes the need for a 35k seat venue look un-silly Weber State.....40,222 Utah State....27,367 Wyoming.....28,758 Nevada.....27,973 Fresno State......26,876 BYU....28,180 The stadium is a depressing place to go to. It is not a case of winning, offense, or giveaways. SDCCU is a dump to go to. When the new stadium opens it will be easier to get people through the door. Not sure why people don't understand this. Yes, but what happens when that novelty wears off? A new stadium is a great short-term solution but every other issue sans the place being a dump still exists. |
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Dec 2, 2019 16:45:50 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Dec 2, 2019 16:45:50 GMT -8
That folks, was the average attendance this season at home. Total of 179,376. Ticks me off royally, since I was hoping, prior to the start of this season, that the amount of fans attending would end up making the idea of a future stadium with only 35k look silly (I continue to be a honk for a stadium that seats between 40-45k). The reality of the final results makes the need for a 35k seat venue look un-silly Weber State.....40,222 Utah State....27,367 Wyoming.....28,758 Nevada.....27,973 Fresno State......26,876 BYU....28,180 The stadium is a depressing place to go to. It is not a case of winning, offense, or giveaways. SDCCU is a dump to go to. When the new stadium opens it will be easier to get people through the door. Not sure why people don't understand this. Then why have a 35,000 seat stadium? Why not 40k or 45k? |
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Dec 2, 2019 16:55:10 GMT -8
Post by cmonaztecs on Dec 2, 2019 16:55:10 GMT -8
I don't know why u think QCOM is a dump. We thought it was pretty impressive, just needs a facelift. The parking was easy and it was almost full, the trolley stop is right there. Where are you going to park at SDSU west? And why do we need more retail? And there goes the Holiday Bowl. But I guess I'm beating a dead horse.
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