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Post by johneaztec on Aug 26, 2019 17:11:51 GMT -8
Unlike the NFL, college football doesn't have preseason games. You can find out some things about players with intrasquad scrimmages, but you really don't know what you have until you play an opponent. I think Weber State is an excellent school to play in the first game, since they'll be competitive, but we should have the upper hand. I would hate to play a tough D1 opponent in our first game, because you need a game like this to get the kinks out, and find out some more about your players strengths and weaknesses. It's tough to "try things out" against a UCLA for example. UCLA would have the same dynamic. They would have to try things out against our defense too. Just an excuse for wasting a game on a subpar team. Did you want us to schedule a team that would create more of an opportunity for injuries so we're depleted against UCLA, etc...? Playing two tough games out of gate is ridiculous. This is a perfect time up game for us, that we need to play well in to win. |
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Post by fisher1fan on Aug 26, 2019 17:49:52 GMT -8
UCLA would have the same dynamic. They would have to try things out against our defense too. Just an excuse for wasting a game on a subpar team. The difference is that I don't care about UCLA trying out things, I care about the fact that we have more of an opportunity to try things out and play more players against a Weber State. I would understand your point a little better if we were playing a horrible team, but anybody who knows something about college football knows that Weber State is no gimme. Don't let the name fool you. If we go on and beat Weber State and then beat UCLA, fans will forget that we scheduled an FCS school. When a freshman comes to their first game of their college life (and possibly their only game), they experience The Mighty Weber State. The quality of the FCS team is not important. They just haven’t heard of them. Period. Like it or not, the goal is to attract new, lifelong SDSU fans. Weber state is a NAME that impresses, nor does FCS. The first game of the season is when the students create their first memory. It’s a boring one. Yawn..... Zzz. Then they don’t come back. The student section is sad by game 3 or 4 almost every year. Try to make it a FUN environment at the beginning of the year!! |
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Post by fisher1fan on Aug 26, 2019 17:59:37 GMT -8
UCLA would have the same dynamic. They would have to try things out against our defense too. Just an excuse for wasting a game on a subpar team. Did you want us to schedule a team that would create more of an opportunity for injuries so we're depleted against UCLA, etc...? Playing two tough games out of gate is ridiculous. This is a perfect time up game for us, that we need to play well in to win. All these excuses: Playing two normal (FBS) opponents is too hard for our school. If so, that’s sad. opportunity for injuries. Hahaha. It’s called football. We need a tune up - Our opponent wouldn’t get one. It’s hard to schedule. - we can schedule SEC and P6 schools but cannot find anyone in FBS to play the first game, year after year.  |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 26, 2019 19:46:44 GMT -8
The difference is that I don't care about UCLA trying out things, I care about the fact that we have more of an opportunity to try things out and play more players against a Weber State. I would understand your point a little better if we were playing a horrible team, but anybody who knows something about college football knows that Weber State is no gimme. Don't let the name fool you. If we go on and beat Weber State and then beat UCLA, fans will forget that we scheduled an FCS school. When a freshman comes to their first game of their college life (and possibly their only game), they experience The Mighty Weber State. The quality of the FCS team is not important. They just haven’t heard of them. Period. Like it or not, the goal is to attract new, lifelong SDSU fans. Weber state is a NAME that impresses, nor does FCS. The first game of the season is when the students create their first memory. It’s a boring one. Yawn..... Zzz. Then they don’t come back. The student section is sad by game 3 or 4 almost every year. Try to make it a FUN environment at the beginning of the year!! Do you think that fan base will be excited if they beat UCLA? Of course. So, hopefully the plan of playing a Weber State as a tune up, and not playing a Michigan will work. Hopefully everybody gets a lot of snaps, and there are no significant injuries. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 26, 2019 19:47:22 GMT -8
Did you want us to schedule a team that would create more of an opportunity for injuries so we're depleted against UCLA, etc...? Playing two tough games out of gate is ridiculous. This is a perfect time up game for us, that we need to play well in to win. All these excuses: Playing two normal (FBS) opponents is too hard for our school. If so, that’s sad. opportunity for injuries. Hahaha. It’s called football. We need a tune up - Our opponent wouldn’t get one. It’s hard to schedule. - we can schedule SEC and P6 schools but cannot find anyone in FBS to play the first game, year after year. To your first point, playing a Michigan type or somewhere along those lines, is absolutely a factor in possibly having more injuries than playing a Weber State in your FIRST game. If we were playing two cupcakes in a row, then maybe I would understand, but we're playing UCLA next. By the way, Weber State is no gimme. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 26, 2019 19:50:55 GMT -8
Did you want us to schedule a team that would create more of an opportunity for injuries so we're depleted against UCLA, etc...? Playing two tough games out of gate is ridiculous. This is a perfect time up game for us, that we need to play well in to win. All these excuses: Playing two normal (FBS) opponents is too hard for our school. If so, that’s sad. opportunity for injuries. Hahaha. It’s called football. We need a tune up - Our opponent wouldn’t get one. It’s hard to schedule. - we can schedule SEC and P6 schools but cannot find anyone in FBS to play the first game, year after year. It all comes down to the UCLA game. If they win that, then the fans should surely come, and your concern will go away. Let's hope that the strategy works, and they see a lot players in action, as well as gain some cohesiveness. And, of course win the game. |
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Post by McQuervo on Aug 27, 2019 5:01:44 GMT -8
Historically, we've played down to the level of competition. I still remember the Eastern Illinois and Cal Poly losses like they were yesterday. No more, please. Win the games you're expected to win. Oldie Out There’s no such thing as “playing down to the level of the competition.” That’s just a phrase that fans of s#!++y teams say after a disappointing performance. No, it is an actual reality. Emotion in College Ball is why most here watch, kids are not as focused when they expect to Win, they often don't prepare (both mentally and physically) for the opponent. We see it every year. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 27, 2019 5:25:20 GMT -8
This is the typical game where for many years SDSU would lose but under Rocky we just seem to struggle and pull away at the end. This is the best team we’ve faced in a long time in the gimme game and I wouldn’t be shocked with a new offense, Horton going extra vanilla and a bad DL that we end up losing.
I hope that’s just a hangover feeling from the Ohio butt kicking we received and not reality.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Aug 27, 2019 5:36:41 GMT -8
All these excuses: Playing two normal (FBS) opponents is too hard for our school. If so, that’s sad. opportunity for injuries. Hahaha. It’s called football. We need a tune up - Our opponent wouldn’t get one. It’s hard to schedule. - we can schedule SEC and P6 schools but cannot find anyone in FBS to play the first game, year after year. To your first point, playing a Michigan type or somewhere along those lines, is absolutely a factor in possibly having more injuries than playing a Weber State in your FIRST game. If we were playing two cupcakes in a row, then maybe I would understand, but we're playing UCLA next. By the way, Weber State is no gimme. Michigan is a pretty extreme example to use. He just mentioned a FBS team, so it could even be a Sun Belt or Conference USA opponent instead of FCS |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2019 6:00:19 GMT -8
To your first point, playing a Michigan type or somewhere along those lines, is absolutely a factor in possibly having more injuries than playing a Weber State in your FIRST game. If we were playing two cupcakes in a row, then maybe I would understand, but we're playing UCLA next. By the way, Weber State is no gimme. Michigan is a pretty extreme example to use. He just mentioned a FBS team, so it could even be a Sun Belt or Conference USA opponent instead of FCS Ok, but what he needs to understand is that Weber State is that caliber. He's worried that this game will turn off fans. In the long run, fans look at your overall record down the road. The fans are going to come to this game regardless, because it's the KGB game. If we beat UCLA, then that's a cure all. |
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Post by fisher1fan on Aug 27, 2019 7:08:57 GMT -8
Michigan is a pretty extreme example to use. He just mentioned a FBS team, so it could even be a Sun Belt or Conference USA opponent instead of FCS Ok, but what he needs to understand is that Weber State is that caliber. He's worried that this game will turn off fans. In the long run, fans look at your overall record down the road. The fans are going to come to this game regardless, because it's the KGB game. If we beat UCLA, then that's a cure all. No Weber St isn’t that caliber. They are a FCS school. Period. We have a very high attendance the first game and we waste attracting new faces with boring games. Don’t kid yourself. People come for the fireworks, then don’t come back. Nope, potential fans want to be entertained. Football Fans aren’t the target audience game 1. It is young young students and families who get a sample of the sport then get bored. We need to CONVERT potential into those fans. If we paired a fun opponent with KGB then more people will think, maybe I need to come to many games. Follow it up with a “named” opponent, like UCLA, and then you can grow the base It’s not that complicated |
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Post by jdaztec on Aug 27, 2019 8:17:34 GMT -8
I feel like the Skyshow Fan is probably a casual football fan. If we were to score a lot of points with exciting plays they would probably be hooked ( if that is possible) no matter who we are playing.
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Post by MarshallU on Aug 27, 2019 8:43:44 GMT -8
7.5 against a 1AA team... what a joke. West Virginia is only favored by 7 over James Madison. does that make it less a joke? |
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Post by Old School on Aug 27, 2019 8:50:35 GMT -8
We struggled against Sac State in the first half last season. Then we turned up the gas in the second half, rallied back to win. The momentum then carried over into the Arizona State game.
More of the same this season? We will see.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 27, 2019 11:30:01 GMT -8
This whole conversation is stupid...
Everyone, ok 95% of teams will start the year with a weaker opponent... or they are starting the year on the road in a “buy” game..
BSU plays FSU, Marshall, Portland State and BYU, this year they open with a tough game, but in some years they don’t, last year we opened with Stanford, this year Weber State.
Fresno State plays U$C, Minn, Sac State and New Mexico State, two P5 and then crap
USU plays Wake, Stoney Brook, LSU and BYU, first home game is Stoney Brook
SDSU plays Weber, UCLA, New Mexico State and BYU, next year we have a similar schedule and in 2021 we will start a run of at least two P5 games each year, with one solid G5 and one Buy game.
For now, the schedule is not the issue and students are not “lost” because we blow out UC Davis or struggle to beat Sac State, “fans” are won and lost with the UCLAs of the world.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2019 13:11:54 GMT -8
This whole conversation is stupid... Everyone, ok 95% of teams will start the year with a weaker opponent... or they are starting the year on the road in a “buy” game.. BSU plays FSU, Marshall, Portland State and BYU, this year they open with a tough game, but in some years they don’t, last year we opened with Stanford, this year Weber State. Fresno State plays U$C, Minn, Sac State and New Mexico State, two P5 and then crap USU plays Wake, Stoney Brook, LSU and BYU, first home game is Stoney Brook SDSU plays Weber, UCLA, New Mexico State and BYU, next year we have a similar schedule and in 2021 we will start a run of at least two P5 games each year, with one solid G5 and one Buy game. For now, the schedule is not the issue and students are not “lost” because we blow out UC Davis or struggle to beat Sac State, “fans” are won and lost with the UCLAs of the world. Your last sentence is what it boils down to. Even if we lose to Weber State, but beat UCLA, the fans stay. In other words, UCLA is the key to the beginning of the season. We could have played a JC team to start the season, and then beat UCLA and all's good. End of story. |
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Post by uncledougy on Aug 27, 2019 15:11:30 GMT -8
If the Aztecs played St Mary’s Sisters of the Blind (not real, just illustration) week 1, but had Marshall Faulk in the lineup, you would see 50k at the game.
So is it really the opponent that determines the crowd size??
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2019 16:53:47 GMT -8
If the Aztecs played St Mary’s Sisters of the Blind (not real, just illustration) week 1, but had Marshall Faulk in the lineup, you would see 50k at the game. So is it really the opponent that determines the crowd size?? I think many things determine a crowd size. Marshall Faulk, a high octane offense, a highly touted opponent, fireworks show, etc... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 14:44:36 GMT -8
Ok, but what he needs to understand is that Weber State is that caliber. He's worried that this game will turn off fans. In the long run, fans look at your overall record down the road. The fans are going to come to this game regardless, because it's the KGB game. If we beat UCLA, then that's a cure all. No Weber St isn’t that caliber. They are a FCS school. Period. We have a very high attendance the first game and we waste attracting new faces with boring games. Don’t kid yourself. People come for the fireworks, then don’t come back. Nope, potential fans want to be entertained. Football Fans aren’t the target audience game 1. It is young young students and families who get a sample of the sport then get bored. We need to CONVERT potential into those fans. If we paired a fun opponent with KGB then more people will think, maybe I need to come to many games. Follow it up with a “named” opponent, like UCLA, and then you can grow the base It’s not that complicated Ok, enough with the BS. The fact is, San Diego is a horrible sports community period. "One City, One Team." Or is it, One City Hardly Anyone Cares? The people of SD and a lot of students do not support their teams or universities and haven't for decades. That's especially true for SDSU. It shouldn't matter who the opponents are. Go to the games!! I grew up in SD, graduated an Aztec and have been going to games since the late 70's. Didn't miss a whole lot of games while attending SDSU either. They were free or 5 bucks for crying out loud!! That included watching terrible MBB teams. I currently live 800 miles away but still manage to get to some games because I care about my alma mater. There are a lot of Aztec alumni, boosters and supporters living in the San Diego area. But people in SD find excuses not to attend games regardless. The students excuses are even more ridiculous. So, I know it doesn't matter who the Aztecs schedule, or if the team is winning or losing, that produces the dismall crowds. Unless there's some kind of gimmick people don't show up. That's why they scheduled the Skyshow for this type of game. It doesn't matter who the teams are. The last Sh!+show game I attended was a joke. 20k at the game, then halfway through the 4th quarter, there is suddenly 50k creating a lot of commotion. People leave as fast as they came creating even more chaos. The people who go to the S#!+show don't give a crap about the game or who the Aztecs opponents are. Another poster claims at least schedule a Sun Belt or a Conference USA team. Yeah, scheduling the University of Louisiana at Monroe, Georgia Southern, Louisiana Tech, or Middle Tennessee will bring new more interested freshman and a s#!+load of people to the games. 👍 LMFAO!! Btw, how did the University of South Alabama work out for Aztecs in recent years? Give me break!! More examples, I was at the Stanford game 2 years ago and the Trees came in ranked. And while there was a nice crowd, it wasn't close to a sellout. No sellout last year when ranked ASU came to town either. The Aztecs started 6-1 and still no sellouts. Marshalll Faulk (STUD!!) did bring decent crowds. But again, not a bunch of sellouts as some posters are claiming. You can't keep blaming the opponents scheduled for the bad crowds. It's a community thing. The top 10-15 teams in FCS football are better than half of the G5 teams in the FBS. And Weber St has a very good team. If you have been paying attention, FCS teams have been beating G5 FBS teams lately. And just reminder, a lowly division 1AA Appalachian St, before joining the Sun Belt, beat Michigan at The Big House not that long ago. P5's do not schedule FCS teams that often because of fear of losing. And P5 teams also don't want to schedule the Aztecs for the same reason. Keep telling yourself that ANY FCS team isn't of SDSU caliber. Go to the games and quit whining!! For Students, the games are basically free and there is a trolley to get the ones who live on campus there and back. So there should be no excuses to attend games regardless of the opponent. Go Aztecs!! |
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Post by AzTex on Aug 28, 2019 15:11:22 GMT -8
No Weber St isn’t that caliber. They are a FCS school. Period. We have a very high attendance the first game and we waste attracting new faces with boring games. Don’t kid yourself. People come for the fireworks, then don’t come back. Nope, potential fans want to be entertained. Football Fans aren’t the target audience game 1. It is young young students and families who get a sample of the sport then get bored. We need to CONVERT potential into those fans. If we paired a fun opponent with KGB then more people will think, maybe I need to come to many games. Follow it up with a “named” opponent, like UCLA, and then you can grow the base It’s not that complicated Ok, enough with the BS. The fact is, San Diego is a horrible sports community period. "One City, One Team." Or is it, One City Hardly Anyone Cares? The people of SD and a lot of students do not support their teams or universities and haven't for decades. That's especially true for SDSU. It shouldn't matter who the opponents are. Go to the games!! I grew up in SD, graduated an Aztec and have been going to games since the late 70's. Didn't miss a whole lot of games while attending SDSU either. They were free or 5 bucks for crying out loud!! That included watching terrible MBB teams. I currently live 800 miles away but still manage to get to some games because I care about my alma mater. There are a lot of Aztec alumni, boosters and supporters living in the San Diego area. But people in SD find excuses not to attend games regardless. The students excuses are even more ridiculous. So, I know it doesn't matter who the Aztecs schedule, or if the team is winning or losing, that produces the dismall crowds. Unless there's some kind of gimmick people don't show up. That's why they scheduled the Skyshow for this type of game. It doesn't matter who the teams are. The last Sh!+show game I attended was a joke. 20k at the game, then halfway through the 4th quarter, there is suddenly 50k creating a lot of commotion. People leave as fast as they came creating even more chaos. The people who go to the S#!+show don't give a crap about the game or who the Aztecs opponents are. Another poster claims at least schedule a Sun Belt or a Conference USA team. Yeah, scheduling the University of Louisiana at Monroe, Georgia Southern, Louisiana Tech, or Middle Tennessee will bring new more interested freshman and a s#!+load of people to the games. 👍 LMFAO!! Btw, how did the University of South Alabama work out for Aztecs in recent years? Give me break!! More examples, I was at the Stanford game 2 years ago and the Trees came in ranked. And while there was a nice crowd, it wasn't close to a sellout. No sellout last year when ranked ASU came to town either. The Aztecs started 6-1 and still no sellouts. Marshalll Faulk (STUD!!) did bring decent crowds. But again, not a bunch of sellouts as some posters are claiming. You can't keep blaming the opponents scheduled for the bad crowds. It's a community thing. The top 10-15 teams in FCS football are better than half of the G5 teams in the FBS. And Weber St has a very good team. If you have been paying attention, FCS teams have been beating G5 FBS teams lately. And just reminder, a lowly division 1AA Appalachian St, before joining the Sun Belt, beat Michigan at The Big House not that long ago. P5's do not schedule FCS teams that often because of fear of losing. And P5 teams also don't want to schedule the Aztecs for the same reason. Keep telling yourself that ANY FCS team isn't of SDSU caliber. Go to the games and quit whining!! For Students, the games are basically free and there is a trolley to get the ones who live on campus there and back. So there should be no excuses to attend games regardless of the opponent. Go Aztecs!! You're right. Almost no one recognizes that the top FCS teams are very good. Because of their depth they might not succeed in a full G5 schedule, but for any given game the top teams can be formidable. Much like we were under Coryell as a College Division team. |
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