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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 22, 2022 19:05:12 GMT -8
vanlifewanderer.com/2022/04/11/los-angeles-crime-rate/Draconian measures indeed. CA Prop 47 passed in 2014 and look at the graph for violent crime in LA, for example, in and after 2014. Now nearly doubled since 2013. If a policy reduces public safety, it is, in fact, a failed policy. But, but Prop 47 wasn't "Progressive enough". Well here is your chance to open a Bodega in downtown LA and show us how Gascone's more progressive policies are working. I'm sure you want to give away your goods and services for free just like the 7/11 owner did  😂 🤣 How tf did reclassification of crimes create a spike in violent crimes? Pray tell, how an administrative change for non-violent crimes helped spur a violent crime wave. You really don't know what reduces or increases crime, don't ya? You just love the police state and totalitarianism. Whatever...I just want what you just smoked before you hallucinated like you just did. Is it legal? So keeping felons and would-be felons on the street longer than they would be otherwise and mental giants think that it won't affect our crime rates. An SDSU Degree? |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 23, 2022 2:28:48 GMT -8
😂 🤣 How tf did reclassification of crimes create a spike in violent crimes? Pray tell, how an administrative change for non-violent crimes helped spur a violent crime wave. You really don't know what reduces or increases crime, don't ya? You just love the police state and totalitarianism. Whatever...I just want what you just smoked before you hallucinated like you just did. Is it legal? So keeping felons and would-be felons on the street longer than they would be otherwise and mental giants think that it won't affect our crime rates. An SDSU Degree? These were non-violent offenses. Try again Actually, try for the very first time in your life. Thanks for devaluing all of our degrees with your fascist takes |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 23, 2022 16:06:57 GMT -8
So keeping felons and would-be felons on the street longer than they would be otherwise and mental giants think that it won't affect our crime rates. An SDSU Degree? These were non-violent offenses. Try again Actually, try for the very first time in your life. Thanks for devaluing all of our degrees with your fascist takes Do you actually think that violent criminals do not also commit non violent crimes? Devalued indeed. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 24, 2022 5:31:46 GMT -8
These were non-violent offenses. Try again Actually, try for the very first time in your life. Thanks for devaluing all of our degrees with your fascist takes Do you actually think that violent criminals do not also commit non violent crimes? Devalued indeed. Do you think? So according to you all non-violent criminals are also violent criminals who haven't been caught. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 24, 2022 10:26:28 GMT -8
Do you actually think that violent criminals do not also commit non violent crimes? Devalued indeed. Do you think? So according to you all non-violent criminals are also violent criminals who haven't been caught. Show me where I said "all". For those slow on the uptake: The crime rate went up significantly after Prop 47 was passed. Why so? Many Three Strike felons in prison had one or more of their previous convictions resentenced and were back on the street in due course. Some two strike felons, who would have been taken off the street when caught on their third felony, now often only receive a misdemeanor charge and are back on the street in due course. Some petty criminals who are now encouraged by the lower risk and same reward for their criminal activity have increased their petty crime rates (See the increase of incidents of Smash and Grab as proof). And Murphy's Law tells us that within the act of petty crimes, things can and do go wrong and a violent crime occurs (~interaction with resistant victims, etc). As you seemingly agreed with me, some Felons are apt to perpetrate both violent and non-violent crimes. As I stated before, when more felons and would be felons the are on the street, the more the crime rates go up, including violent crime rates. When public policy fails to make the public safer, it is failed public policy. Democrats control the laws of California and Los Angeles, so their negligence in addressing this increase in violent crime is effectively criminal negligence. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 30, 2022 1:20:43 GMT -8
Do you think? So according to you all non-violent criminals are also violent criminals who haven't been caught. Show me where I said "all". For those slow on the uptake: The crime rate went up significantly after Prop 47 was passed. Why so? Many Three Strike felons in prison had one or more of their previous convictions resentenced and were back on the street in due course. Some two strike felons, who would have been taken off the street when caught on their third felony, now often only receive a misdemeanor charge and are back on the street in due course. Some petty criminals who are now encouraged by the lower risk and same reward for their criminal activity have increased their petty crime rates (See the increase of incidents of Smash and Grab as proof). And Murphy's Law tells us that within the act of petty crimes, things can and do go wrong and a violent crime occurs (~interaction with resistant victims, etc). As you seemingly agreed with me, some Felons are apt to perpetrate both violent and non-violent crimes. As I stated before, when more felons and would be felons the are on the street, the more the crime rates go up, including violent crime rates. When public policy fails to make the public safer, it is failed public policy. Democrats control the laws of California and Los Angeles, so their negligence in addressing this increase in violent crime is effectively criminal negligence. I love how each post of yours screams, "I'm an authoritarian who hates freedom!" So you still "think" in the old school totalitarian model of the worse the punishment, the better the deterrent when we have the longest sentences globally for the pettiest of crimes in the developed world. Hell, add in our world's worst recidivism rates built into our justice system & private sector and we're really terrible compared to the globe. How have they all managed to have lower crime rates without turning their nations into police states with long sentences for all crimes including a revolving door for recidivism rates? Reading those words right now is the first time you've ever had that thought |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 30, 2022 6:40:20 GMT -8
Show me where I said "all". For those slow on the uptake: The crime rate went up significantly after Prop 47 was passed. Why so? Many Three Strike felons in prison had one or more of their previous convictions resentenced and were back on the street in due course. Some two strike felons, who would have been taken off the street when caught on their third felony, now often only receive a misdemeanor charge and are back on the street in due course. Some petty criminals who are now encouraged by the lower risk and same reward for their criminal activity have increased their petty crime rates (See the increase of incidents of Smash and Grab as proof). And Murphy's Law tells us that within the act of petty crimes, things can and do go wrong and a violent crime occurs (~interaction with resistant victims, etc). As you seemingly agreed with me, some Felons are apt to perpetrate both violent and non-violent crimes. As I stated before, when more felons and would be felons the are on the street, the more the crime rates go up, including violent crime rates. When public policy fails to make the public safer, it is failed public policy. Democrats control the laws of California and Los Angeles, so their negligence in addressing this increase in violent crime is effectively criminal negligence. I love how each post of yours screams, "I'm an authoritarian who hates freedom!" So you still "think" in the old school totalitarian model of the worse the punishment, the better the deterrent when we have the longest sentences globally for the pettiest of crimes in the developed world. Hell, add in our world's worst recidivism rates built into our justice system & private sector and we're really terrible compared to the globe. How have they all managed to have lower crime rates without turning their nations into police states with long sentences for all crimes including a revolving door for recidivism rates? Reading those words right now is the first time you've ever had that thought In the U.S., it seems, leniency leads to even more crime, so I don't get your point. Are you saying it has to get worse before it gets better? That is a "the check is in the mail" promise that will likely end up as a lie. Since leftists now days wallow in racism, let's ask the question "Why do Asians, for example, commit less crimes than others generally?" Does it have to do with sentencing guidelines? Not at all. It has to do with many other things outside the legal system and that is where we need to go for solutions. The stage one thinking that says 'just don't punish criminal behavior and crime will go away" is idiotic. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Sept 5, 2022 7:26:37 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 13, 2023 7:24:13 GMT -8
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mall-operator-westfield-gives-up-san-francisco-centre-latest-business-to-pull-back-from-city/ar-AA1csGpjPeople are leaving CA for a variety of reasons but for sure some believe California's future is a lost cause because their belief that Democrat political control going forward is an inevitability. I admit that I share some of their pessimism but put my hope in the fact that all of the people can't be fooled all of the time. My hope also is that the fate of the cities Democrats have ruined (~SF, Portland, Chicago, NY, Baltimore, etc.) will serve as examples to be avoided vs just being harbingers for the future for the rest of Democrat controlled states.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 13, 2023 7:26:34 GMT -8
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mall-operator-westfield-gives-up-san-francisco-centre-latest-business-to-pull-back-from-city/ar-AA1csGpjPeople are leaving CA for a variety of reasons but for sure some believe California's future is a lost cause because their belief that Democrat political control going forward is an inevitability. I admit that I share some of their pessimism but put my hope in the fact that all of the people can't be fooled all of the time. My hope also is that the fate of the cities Democrats have ruined (~SF, Portland, Chicago, NY, Baltimore, etc.) will serve as examples to be avoided vs just being harbingers for the future for the rest of Democrat controlled states. Right. Until you realize GOP-led states are basically the same or worse. Oddly enough. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 13, 2023 8:30:21 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 13, 2023 8:33:58 GMT -8
You realize people move for a variety of reasons, right? Cost of living, job opportunities, family obligations....I don't think it's a conscientious thing to say "Yeah, I want to live in Mississippi or West Virginia because it's Republican-led." Dumb. Yeah, whatever, is right. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 13, 2023 12:29:40 GMT -8
Let's set aside for the moment the Leftists vs Conservatives blame game. I do not vote for either, so believe that I am a (at least somewhat  ) neutral observer. The problem of crime, especially in many of our big cities, is growing alarmingly. It is growing to the point at which there is a general trend toward people leaving those areas and heading for places where they believe they will be less likely to become victims of crime. (Lower tax rates are also an incentive to move.) Saying that crime is also a problem in Red states does not mean that places like San Francisco and Chicago are not in serious trouble. Frankly, I fear that the problem of crime (and homelessness, too) has gotten so bad in so many areas that there may be no good solutions. I hope I am wrong. If I am right, then many of our big cities may become ghost towns reminiscent of the Manhattan portrayed in the move Escape From New York. One more thing. Calling posters with different opinions Fascists is totally uncalled for and contrary to the spirit of this site. AzWm Edit: This site confirms what I said above about people moving from areas subject to excessive crime. www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-move-to-from/ |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 13, 2023 12:39:04 GMT -8
You realize people move for a variety of reasons, right? Cost of living, job opportunities, family obligations....I don't think it's a conscientious thing to say "Yeah, I want to live in Mississippi or West Virginia because it's Republican-led." Dumb. Yeah, whatever, is right. Then why are states with such high rates of crime on the go-from areas? The other reasons you mention would seem to inspire people to more TO California, New York, etc. Why do those states appear on the list of people moving OUT and not on the list of people moving IN? |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 13, 2023 12:50:37 GMT -8
Here's another factor of interest. I believe I am correct in saying that a relatively small number of people who commit a particular type of crime are responsible for a very large percentage of those crimes. I refer to shop lifting. Changes in the rules dealing with such crimes have resulted in a big increase in shoplifting cases. Those changes may have been well intended, but their effect has been decidedly negative.
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 13, 2023 13:25:30 GMT -8
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mall-operator-westfield-gives-up-san-francisco-centre-latest-business-to-pull-back-from-city/ar-AA1csGpjPeople are leaving CA for a variety of reasons but for sure some believe California's future is a lost cause because their belief that Democrat political control going forward is an inevitability. I admit that I share some of their pessimism but put my hope in the fact that all of the people can't be fooled all of the time. My hope also is that the fate of the cities Democrats have ruined (~SF, Portland, Chicago, NY, Baltimore, etc.) will serve as examples to be avoided vs just being harbingers for the future for the rest of Democrat controlled states. "Democrat ruined cities". Wow, pretty easy world view so you don't have to think. Did you read the Union this morning about how many seniors (55 and older) are trying to live off their social security? The lady they featured makes $1800 a month from SS and came up against medical issues..so she had to rent a moving van to live in. There are thousands of certifiably crazy people living in the streets, and there is no place to put them. Fall through the cracks in California, and you are just screwed. I know Republicans are big on safety nets, but what would you do to fix SF, or San Diego's homeless downtown issues? Name one country, or big city, in the world that is as good (quality of life) as it was 30-40 years ago? I can think of one that is still pretty darn good, and that's Iceland. But other than that, I can't think of others. So the Democrats ruined the World? I go back to critical mass and carrying capacity...and I'm sticking to it. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 13, 2023 13:28:31 GMT -8
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mall-operator-westfield-gives-up-san-francisco-centre-latest-business-to-pull-back-from-city/ar-AA1csGpjPeople are leaving CA for a variety of reasons but for sure some believe California's future is a lost cause because their belief that Democrat political control going forward is an inevitability. I admit that I share some of their pessimism but put my hope in the fact that all of the people can't be fooled all of the time. My hope also is that the fate of the cities Democrats have ruined (~SF, Portland, Chicago, NY, Baltimore, etc.) will serve as examples to be avoided vs just being harbingers for the future for the rest of Democrat controlled states. "Democrat ruined cities". Wow, pretty easy world view so you don't have to think. Did you read the Union this morning about how many seniors (55 and older) are trying to live off their social security? The lady they featured makes $1800 a month from SS and came up against medical issues..so she had to rent a moving van to live in. There are thousands of certifiably crazy people living in the streets, and there is no place to put them. Fall through the cracks in California, and you are just screwed. I know Republicans are big on safety nets, but what would you do to fix SF, or San Diego's homeless downtown issues? Name one country, or big city, in the world that is as good (quality of life) as it was 30-40 years ago? I can think of one that is still pretty darn good, and that's Iceland. But other than that, I can't think of others. So the Democrats ruined the World? I go back to critical mass and carrying capacity...and I'm sticking to it. Shoot, the whole WORLD IS not doing so well, let alone states and countries. It's a far cry from the simpler, more safe times of my youth. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 13, 2023 13:39:26 GMT -8
"Democrat ruined cities". Wow, pretty easy world view so you don't have to think. Did you read the Union this morning about how many seniors (55 and older) are trying to live off their social security? The lady they featured makes $1800 a month from SS and came up against medical issues..so she had to rent a moving van to live in. There are thousands of certifiably crazy people living in the streets, and there is no place to put them. Fall through the cracks in California, and you are just screwed. I know Republicans are big on safety nets, but what would you do to fix SF, or San Diego's homeless downtown issues? Name one country, or big city, in the world that is as good (quality of life) as it was 30-40 years ago? I can think of one that is still pretty darn good, and that's Iceland. But other than that, I can't think of others. So the Democrats ruined the World? I go back to critical mass and carrying capacity...and I'm sticking to it. Shoot, the whole WORLD IS not doing so well, let alone states and countries. It's a far cry from the simpler, more safe times of my youth. John, I agree, although during my youth we had Zodiac, Son of Sam, and other serial killers, plus plenty if crime in certain areas. For example in the early 70's you weren't walking into west Oakland, unless you were local. Now we have the Internet, so we know 50x more bad $#!+ than before. And as I mentioned, there are fewer safety nets and higher living costs. I have grand kids, my knee finally finally went on the blink at 69, and I know whats coming in future years for me. Having said that, there is no way I'd wanna be 15 again right now! |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 13, 2023 13:51:37 GMT -8
Shoot, the whole WORLD IS not doing so well, let alone states and countries. It's a far cry from the simpler, more safe times of my youth. John, I agree, although during my youth we had Zodiac, Son of Sam, and other serial killers, plus plenty if crime in certain areas. For example in the early 70's you weren't walking into west Oakland, unless you were local. Now we have the Internet, so we know 50x more bad $#!+ than before. And as I mentioned, there are fewer safety nets and higher living costs. I have grand kids, my knee finally finally went on the blink at 69, and I know whats coming in future years for me. Having said that, there is no way I'd wanna be 15 again right now! Yes, I agree. With the internet there's more to tell, so to speak. I grew up in the San Marcos/Escondido area and we never locked our doors in the 60's and 70's. If you don't lock your doors now, you're crazy, and just asking for it. That's just one example of how times have changed. There were certainly areas, back then, that you stayed away from, for sure. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 13, 2023 13:54:02 GMT -8
John, I agree, although during my youth we had Zodiac, Son of Sam, and other serial killers, plus plenty if crime in certain areas. For example in the early 70's you weren't walking into west Oakland, unless you were local. Now we have the Internet, so we know 50x more bad $#!+ than before. And as I mentioned, there are fewer safety nets and higher living costs. I have grand kids, my knee finally finally went on the blink at 69, and I know whats coming in future years for me. Having said that, there is no way I'd wanna be 15 again right now! Yes, I agree. With the internet there's more to tell, so to speak. I grew up in the San Marcos/Escondido area and we never locked our doors in the 60's and 70's. If you don't lock your doors now, you're crazy, and just asking for it. That's just one example of how times have changed. There were certainly areas, back then, that you stayed away from, for sure. Don't give out my address, but I still leave my front door and car unlocked...but not that often and I pick my spots!..live in Poway..quiet street. |
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) neutral observer. The problem of crime, especially in many of our big cities, is growing alarmingly. It is growing to the point at which there is a general trend toward people leaving those areas and heading for places where they believe they will be less likely to become victims of crime. (Lower tax rates are also an incentive to move.)