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Post by Xolotl on Apr 6, 2018 16:40:03 GMT -8
I wrote JDWicker and asked what his plans are for the women's basketball coaching job. He wrote back and said, he is sticking with Terry and supports her whole hardly. Oh well, guess we have to put up with a bottom feeder for who knows how long. JDW doesn't have the will to improve that sport. Did you follow up with a "why?" ? No but if you read my last comment it's not a far stretch to assume the JD want's to distance himself from the Burn's situation. He was Ass AD at the time. Also from the paper they must have signed a 7 year contract? Which is way wild |
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Post by tonatiuh on Apr 16, 2018 18:44:00 GMT -8
Many times an AD's statement that they are sticking with a coach right now can be interpreted to mean that they will let you know when they are making
a decision to the contrary. Like they say when the AD says he backs/supports you that could mean you are on your way out soon.
You know I have heard this same expression many times from an AD who wishes to be in control, and doesn't want anyone to know until they make their announcement about letting the coach go. Since she has until the end of this month (30th) before her contracts expires he may be waiting until then to make the announcement. It has happened so many times in the past exactly like that. So, we will see if he really does support Terry or not.
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Post by Frantic on May 27, 2018 16:11:15 GMT -8
From goaztecs.com: "The Aztecs finished the regular season in a three-way tie for eighth place with Utah State and Air Force at 5-13. Since they went 0-3 against those teams, they will be the No. 10 seed in the Mountain West Tournament." The Aztecs finished one game above SJSU for dead last. Head coach Stacie Terry, in her first job as head coach anywhere, is paid $236,000 per year. She inherited a team that finished 1st in conference and won 27 games the year before she was hired. Since being hired in 2013, the program has regressed: 2014: 9-9, 6th 2015: 8-10, 7th 2016: 6-12, 9th 2017: 6-12, 9th 2018: 5-13, 10th Seriously, Terry is paid $20,000 per month for those results? Terry's contract was up on April 30. Are the taxpayers are still paying Terry $20K per month in her quest for 11th place? |
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Post by standiego on Jun 1, 2018 14:41:43 GMT -8
take it Coach is coming back . What is the outlook for 2018-19 , returning players and recruits ?
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Post by aztecforlife2006 on Jun 1, 2018 15:04:10 GMT -8
She should quit to move closer to Hutson
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 1, 2018 16:15:26 GMT -8
take it Coach is coming back . What is the outlook for 2018-19 , returning players and recruits ? Yes, she's coming back & at an event last week she mentioned they are taking a page from men's hoops and looking hard at transfers. Can't recall the specifics on the players she talked about, but she seemed optimistic. |
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Post by dlangford9 on Jun 1, 2018 20:28:53 GMT -8
Why the heck is she coming back?! She is horrible, she has been horrible for years and her contract was up!
Since the athletic department is throwing money in the trash for coaches for the women’s basketball, maybe so they should’ve at least employed several homeless people and spread it around.
Really... $1.18M over 5 years to be one of the worst teams in the country, at a school with history and support.... and she gets another contract? What is wrong with this society?
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Post by obboy13 on Jun 2, 2018 15:03:33 GMT -8
Why the heck is she coming back?! She is horrible, she has been horrible for years and her contract was up! Since the athletic department is throwing money in the trash for coaches for the women’s basketball, maybe so they should’ve at least employed several homeless people and spread it around. Really... $1.18M over 5 years to be one of the worst teams in the country, at a school with history and support.... and she gets another contract? What is wrong with this society? Slow down there killer. First off, she's not "horrible." Her record is horrible, and she has yet to demonstrate she can turn it around, but that doesn't make her "horrible." Second, it's not society, nor even emblematic thereof, it's women's freaking basketball. SDSU has a history and has supported their team...at least whenever the team has been a winner. You need to look no further than the previous coach who built the program up from the bottom, not once but twice. The problem is not societal, it's a function of the athletics administration, and how much they want to or can afford to improve the program. At this point responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of J. D. Wicker, and it's my guess he's betting that so long as the Aztecs meet their Title IX requirements, and MBB, FB, and BB keep winning along with occasional success from the minor sports, hardly anybody will care about WBB. Nothing else could explain a new contract for Ms. Terry. |
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Post by Frantic on Jun 2, 2018 22:47:51 GMT -8
Slow down there killer. First off, she's not "horrible." Her record is horrible, and she has yet to demonstrate she can turn it around, but that doesn't make her "horrible." Second, it's not society, nor even emblematic thereof, it's women's freaking basketball. SDSU has a history and has supported their team...at least whenever the team has been a winner. You need to look no further than the previous coach who built the program up from the bottom, not once but twice. The problem is not societal, it's a function of the athletics administration, and how much they want to or can afford to improve the program. At this point responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of J. D. Wicker, and it's my guess he's betting that so long as the Aztecs meet their Title IX requirements, and MBB, FB, and BB keep winning along with occasional success from the minor sports, hardly anybody will care about WBB. Nothing else could explain a new contract for Ms. Terry. First off, Stacie Terry is a horrible head coach. I'm sure Terry is a nice person, but she is a horrible coach or a horrible recruiter, take your pick. Terry inhereited a 27-win team that won the MWC. She's had five years to prove her worth. Each year is worse than the last. Of course no one cares about women's basketball. 100 people show up to the games, excluding family and friends and ushers and concession people. So why pay someone $220K per year of your tax dollars (+ penson, benifits, etc.) for those results? For $80K per year I'm confident SDSU can find someone to achieve the same results. Expect more. Meeting Title IX requirements isn't good enough, as the program sinks to from 1st to 11th place in the crappy MWC. |
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Post by fisher1fan on Jun 2, 2018 23:19:31 GMT -8
Slow down there killer. First off, she's not "horrible." Her record is horrible, and she has yet to demonstrate she can turn it around, but that doesn't make her "horrible." Second, it's not society, nor even emblematic thereof, it's women's freaking basketball. SDSU has a history and has supported their team...at least whenever the team has been a winner. You need to look no further than the previous coach who built the program up from the bottom, not once but twice. The problem is not societal, it's a function of the athletics administration, and how much they want to or can afford to improve the program. At this point responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of J. D. Wicker, and it's my guess he's betting that so long as the Aztecs meet their Title IX requirements, and MBB, FB, and BB keep winning along with occasional success from the minor sports, hardly anybody will care about WBB. Nothing else could explain a new contract for Ms. Terry. First off, Stacie Terry is a horrible head coach. I'm sure Terry is a nice person, but she is a horrible coach or a horrible recruiter, take your pick. Terry inhereited a 27-win team that won the MWC. She's had five years to prove her worth. Each year is worse than the last. Of course no one cares about women's basketball. 100 people show up to the games, excluding family and friends and ushers and concession people. So why pay someone $220K per year of your tax dollars (+ penson, benifits, etc.) for those results? For $80K per year I'm confident SDSU can find someone to achieve the same results. Expect more. Meeting Title XI requirements isn't good enough, as the program sinks to from 1st to 11th place in the crappy MWC. Go to City College. Pay their 2nd assistant $80k. You’d probably get better results |
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 3, 2018 11:29:57 GMT -8
Slow down there killer. First off, she's not "horrible." Her record is horrible, and she has yet to demonstrate she can turn it around, but that doesn't make her "horrible." Second, it's not society, nor even emblematic thereof, it's women's freaking basketball. SDSU has a history and has supported their team...at least whenever the team has been a winner. You need to look no further than the previous coach who built the program up from the bottom, not once but twice. The problem is not societal, it's a function of the athletics administration, and how much they want to or can afford to improve the program. At this point responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of J. D. Wicker, and it's my guess he's betting that so long as the Aztecs meet their Title IX requirements, and MBB, FB, and BB keep winning along with occasional success from the minor sports, hardly anybody will care about WBB. Nothing else could explain a new contract for Ms. Terry. First off, Stacie Terry is a horrible head coach. I'm sure Terry is a nice person, but she is a horrible coach or a horrible recruiter, take your pick. Terry inhereited a 27-win team that won the MWC. She's had five years to prove her worth. Each year is worse than the last. Of course no one cares about women's basketball. 100 people show up to the games, excluding family and friends and ushers and concession people. So why pay someone $220K per year of your tax dollars (+ penson, benifits, etc.) for those results? For $80K per year I'm confident SDSU can find someone to achieve the same results. Expect more. Meeting Title IX requirements isn't good enough, as the program sinks to from 1st to 11th place in the crappy MWC. 1. The team she "inherited" lost 4 starters; she "inherited" a very different team. 2. She has never finished in 11th; her average finish has been between 7th and 8th (bad, but never 11th) 3. Do you know how her salary compares to the other coaches in the league? 4. If you offer $80k you'd get a JC coach and tell every coach you're looking at you dont care about womens hoops. She definitely hasn't had success on the court but even if they did it wouldn't make a significant difference. I'm not privy to her new contract; it could be year to year for all we know, and another bad year and she heads to Fresno. But she is good with donors, recruits good kids, and isnt embarrassing the program either. It could be a lot worse. It just isn't a priority. |
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Post by aztech on Jun 3, 2018 14:57:15 GMT -8
First off, Stacie Terry is a horrible head coach. I'm sure Terry is a nice person, but she is a horrible coach or a horrible recruiter, take your pick. Terry inhereited a 27-win team that won the MWC. She's had five years to prove her worth. Each year is worse than the last. Of course no one cares about women's basketball. 100 people show up to the games, excluding family and friends and ushers and concession people. So why pay someone $220K per year of your tax dollars (+ penson, benifits, etc.) for those results? For $80K per year I'm confident SDSU can find someone to achieve the same results. Expect more. Meeting Title IX requirements isn't good enough, as the program sinks to from 1st to 11th place in the crappy MWC. 1. The team she "inherited" lost 4 starters; she "inherited" a very different team. 2. She has never finished in 11th; her average finish has been between 7th and 8th (bad, but never 11th) 3. Do you know how her salary compares to the other coaches in the league? 4. If you offer $80k you'd get a JC coach and tell every coach you're looking at you dont care about womens hoops.She definitely hasn't had success on the court but even if they did it wouldn't make a significant difference. I'm not privy to her new contract; it could be year to year for all we know, and another bad year and she heads to Fresno. But she is good with donors, recruits good kids, and isnt embarrassing the program either. It could be a lot worse. It just isn't a priority. So what you're saying is she's the best we can do for the money she's making? I seriously doubt that there aren't any diamonds in the rough out there who wish to coach a Div-1 program, JC or otherwise. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 3, 2018 16:16:56 GMT -8
1. The team she "inherited" lost 4 starters; she "inherited" a very different team. 2. She has never finished in 11th; her average finish has been between 7th and 8th (bad, but never 11th) 3. Do you know how her salary compares to the other coaches in the league? 4. If you offer $80k you'd get a JC coach and tell every coach you're looking at you dont care about womens hoops.She definitely hasn't had success on the court but even if they did it wouldn't make a significant difference. I'm not privy to her new contract; it could be year to year for all we know, and another bad year and she heads to Fresno. But she is good with donors, recruits good kids, and isnt embarrassing the program either. It could be a lot worse. It just isn't a priority. So what you're saying is she's the best we can do for the money she's making? I seriously doubt that there aren't any diamonds in the rough out there who wish to coach a Div-1 program, JC or otherwise. Didnt say that at all. We may or may not find a better coach but unless you're certain you can and will with womens hoops it's not a critical issue. It's not like declining attendance in 2019 v 2018 will impact the bottom line, and she may turn things around. They're just not ready to change everything yet. |
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Post by Frantic on Jun 3, 2018 16:34:24 GMT -8
First off, Stacie Terry is a horrible head coach. I'm sure Terry is a nice person, but she is a horrible coach or a horrible recruiter, take your pick. Terry inhereited a 27-win team that won the MWC. She's had five years to prove her worth. Each year is worse than the last. Of course no one cares about women's basketball. 100 people show up to the games, excluding family and friends and ushers and concession people. So why pay someone $220K per year of your tax dollars (+ penson, benifits, etc.) for those results? For $80K per year I'm confident SDSU can find someone to achieve the same results. Expect more. Meeting Title IX requirements isn't good enough, as the program sinks to from 1st to 11th place in the crappy MWC. 1. The team she "inherited" lost 4 starters; she "inherited" a very different team. 2. She has never finished in 11th; her average finish has been between 7th and 8th (bad, but never 11th) 3. Do you know how her salary compares to the other coaches in the league? 4. If you offer $80k you'd get a JC coach and tell every coach you're looking at you dont care about womens hoops. She definitely hasn't had success on the court but even if they did it wouldn't make a significant difference. I'm not privy to her new contract; it could be year to year for all we know, and another bad year and she heads to Fresno. But she is good with donors, recruits good kids, and isnt embarrassing the program either. It could be a lot worse. It just isn't a priority. 1. Terry inherited a winning program, with back-to-back 1st place finishes in the MWC. That mojo is obviously gone. Terry has now been there FIVE years, these are all her players, her system, her program. 2. I know Terry's teams have not finished 11th, but she's sure trying! The program is treading toward 11th, after finishing 10th last year. You can point to the average finish if 7th and 8th, but I point to the downward trend. Also remember, the MWC sucks in women's BB so 7th or 8th is an embarrassment. 3. How does Terry's salary compare? According to this website, Terry is the fourth highest paid coach in the league - in her first head coaching job anywhere. www.abqjournal.com/community-data/mountain-west-coach-contracts . 4. SDSU serious about winning? If SDSU was serious about winning I don't understand why they pay Terry top dollar to drive the program into the ground, and then keep her on when her contract expires. Last year the team lost 10 of its last 12 to close the season. Whatever, I'm done with this debate. |
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Post by jmarshall on Jun 3, 2018 20:47:07 GMT -8
Good.
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Post by aztech on Jun 3, 2018 20:55:03 GMT -8
So what you're saying is she's the best we can do for the money she's making? I seriously doubt that there aren't any diamonds in the rough out there who wish to coach a Div-1 program, JC or otherwise. Didnt say that at all. We may or may not find a better coach but unless you're certain you can and will with womens hoops it's not a critical issue. It's not like declining attendance in 2019 v 2018 will impact the bottom line, and she may turn things around. They're just not ready to change everything yet. She has had plenty of time to turn things around. For the amount of money she's being paid we should all expect better. So you say it's not a critical issue and they're not ready to change everything yet. That is so lame. Wicker could have offered the same money for another candidate. The $212K she's being paid is not chump change. |
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 4, 2018 4:06:23 GMT -8
If we double the salary do we get more ticket sales to pay for it? No.
We need money for a football stadium. It makes sense to me to not bother spending more money now.
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Post by vision on Jun 4, 2018 6:29:28 GMT -8
doesn't matte if she is a GOOD or BAD coach. I am actually sure she is GOOD, but the results are not there. Perhaps its time for new blood, to start from scratch. She doesn't have to be BAD to make a switch. She's not clicking with SDSU, and it has nothing to do with her salary.
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 4, 2018 6:40:26 GMT -8
Would you want to run a business and fire someone with the current political climate and our history?
My girl friend got a participation trophy that was the back half of a horse for finishing last in bowling.
So now you know were to buy them.
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Post by obboy13 on Jun 4, 2018 7:39:16 GMT -8
Slow down there killer. First off, she's not "horrible." Her record is horrible, and she has yet to demonstrate she can turn it around, but that doesn't make her "horrible." Second, it's not society, nor even emblematic thereof, it's women's freaking basketball. SDSU has a history and has supported their team...at least whenever the team has been a winner. You need to look no further than the previous coach who built the program up from the bottom, not once but twice. The problem is not societal, it's a function of the athletics administration, and how much they want to or can afford to improve the program. At this point responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of J. D. Wicker, and it's my guess he's betting that so long as the Aztecs meet their Title IX requirements, and MBB, FB, and BB keep winning along with occasional success from the minor sports, hardly anybody will care about WBB. Nothing else could explain a new contract for Ms. Terry. First off, Stacie Terry is a horrible head coach. I'm sure Terry is a nice person, but she is a horrible coach or a horrible recruiter, take your pick. Terry inhereited a 27-win team that won the MWC. She's had five years to prove her worth. Each year is worse than the last. Of course no one cares about women's basketball. 100 people show up to the games, excluding family and friends and ushers and concession people. So why pay someone $220K per year of your tax dollars (+ penson, benifits, etc.) for those results? For $80K per year I'm confident SDSU can find someone to achieve the same results. Expect more. Meeting Title IX requirements isn't good enough, as the program sinks to from 1st to 11th place in the crappy MWC. Having a tough time here Frantic. Unless I'm misunderstanding your post, it seems as if we have no major disagreement at all. My only issues with the first poster, were that he personalized his attack on Ms. Terry, and that he blamed "society" for her being allowed to continue...that's it. I never said she wasn't a horrible head coach, but I'll stand by my statement that "her record is horrible, and she has yet to demonstrate she can turn it around." For me that is reason enough to not renew her contract. As to his suggestion that society is to blame, that's ludicrous on its face. Now to your points. Your statement that "no one cares about women's basketball," is not supported by history. When Coach Burns twice brought the program back to relevancy, fans showed up. However, San Diego State fans, front-runners that we are, aren't interested in losing programs, hence the number of empty seats at WBB games. So why pay someone $220,000 per year for those results? How the heck should I know? I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have fired Beth Burns. If you really want to know why, ask the person I suggested was responsible for her new contract...J. D. Wicker. I gave my opinion as to why he did it, but that was only my opinion. If you've got a better or different reason, I'd be interested to hear it. $80,000 a year huh? That's a bit out of touch Frantic. I bet even you wouldn't work for that kind of salary (I know I wouldn't) but it seems somewhat contradictory to your next statement, "expect more." What's it going to be then, are we going to expect more, pay less, or continue to reward failure? Ask J.D. |
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