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Post by jdgaucho on Oct 3, 2012 10:07:08 GMT -8
thanks to picking up Butler and VCU, I think the Atlantic 10 will be stronger in conference RPI this year than the Mountain West.
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Oct 3, 2012 10:14:28 GMT -8
Bake sale!
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Post by monty on Oct 3, 2012 10:17:45 GMT -8
thanks to picking up Butler and VCU, I think the Atlantic 10 will be stronger in conference RPI this year than the Mountain West. Hell, they're a bball only and they're getting 500k/year/school, the MWC with football is getting 800k/year/school and the tv partners left that open to be reconsidered, read, lowering once Boise and to a much lesser extend state leaves. The a10 is going to flourish with increased exposure and with the MWC at best treading water with BYU and SDSU out of the league.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Oct 3, 2012 10:24:46 GMT -8
Damn CSUN's gym looks half the size of a high school gym. It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. On another point, isn't it sad how obsessed quickdraw is with SDSU?I guess he's just overly anxious to receive his annual verbal cornholing on the interwebs. Funny how conveniently a Ruble forgets what conference they were playing in when they won their lone natty. How ironic is it that it will be our home when we grab ours? Back then, the Big Dub was the 11th-ranked conference in terms of SoS (though I can't find any RPI data). And while Big Lots finished last season at a lowly 25th in RPI, our presence, the addition of BSU and Hawaii, and the continued improvement of the conference will bring the conference up into the middle-range of mid-majors within the next 2-3 years. I think somehwere well within the middle of the interquartile range (i.e., the middle of the middle) is a reasonable expectation within several years. That our addition is directly resulting in a 60% increase in regional TV coverage on FSN in hallowed recruiting grounds - from NoCal to the border, and from Hawaii to slowdraw's turd bowl of a city - should make it self-evident that the additional exposure will help recruiting efforts across every aisle of Big Lots, enabling all 2nd and 3rd-tier member schools to target achievable improvement across their respective programs. Will it ever be ranked among the majors, or as high as the Molehill Worst was last year? Hell no. But it will improve significantly, enough where I do envision our perrenial attendance at the Dance will include a favorable seed now and then. Gonzaga - the model we seem to be emulating - pulled a 4-seed as recently as 2009, when the WCC was ranked a very pedestrian 15th.
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Post by goaztecs on Oct 3, 2012 11:13:50 GMT -8
Damn CSUN's gym looks half the size of a high school gym. It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. Problem is they have no fan base nor funds.
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Post by monty on Oct 3, 2012 11:17:07 GMT -8
Damn CSUN's gym looks half the size of a high school gym. It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. Problem is they have no fan base nor funds. Why do they have to be in D1 then?
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Oct 3, 2012 11:25:22 GMT -8
One of the reasons IMO that RPI is a screwy metric is that it is kind of analogous to giving yourself a reach around. But in the absence of better metrics, you analyze what you got.
I agree that the organic improvement of a conference's performance, and thus their conference RPI, is a very slow process. However, that description does not accurately reflect the situation. I think it is very likely we will enter the conference as a top-10 or top-15 ranked program. The eight teams in the conference will pay us twice will receive a boost to their respective RPI as a result. Now, this only goes so far… one only has to look at Boise's or TCU's RPI last year to see a program still has to perform. But a solid part of the reason the middle-tier teams - i.e., CSU, the 'pokes, and AFA - had such respectable rankings was because they played us and the Rubes twice. It doesn't hurt their RPI when their conference betters played - and beat - teams of the caliber of UNC.
Anyone who claims that OOC games don't have any impact on seeding is either clinically retarded, a selectively forgetful Ruble, or in the case of slowdraw, both. UNLV finished third in the conference last year - both in the regular season and the conference championship, yet went into the tourney with the highest seed in the conference.
And with regards to OOC, both us and Boise will be playing four home-and-home games against the BE. That we'll almost certainly be drawing - at a minimum - 10x (just from our football program's share of TV revenue) what the Rubes will in all sports (in the Molehill, 'till or through 2016) means we will be able to find quality, high-RPI opponents to play throughout the season - like Gonzaga - enough to ensure we remain a relevant topic through the season.
Of course you have to finish with a bang down the stretch... But if the Rubes had dropped that 2OT game against the Gouchos, or even if they hadn't been as dominant as they were against the 'Heels, I doubt they would have gone in ranked higher than us after yet another classic choke down the stretch.
Meanwhile at the Hall of Justice, losing one of the two or three top-tier programs will negatively impact the Molehill's RPI, though admittedly to a significantly lessor degree than our presence should boost that of Big Lots.
But regardless of the amount of improvement - an unknown quantity that only time will reveal- it is important to note their will be an improvement in Big Lot's RPI, enough to make a 4-seed ('Zags in '09) or a 5-seed (Butler in '10 out of the 14th-ranked Horizon) a very real possibility.
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Post by insider on Oct 3, 2012 15:22:19 GMT -8
The level of competition isn't jumping off far unless you are excluding OOC schedules. The majority of games when it matters and the selection committee is watching will be in the #25th conference in RPI. To have a chance to make-up for that SDSU will need to not only need to schedule but win against ranked competetion early in the season. Scheduling that type of competition will get ever more difficult when they contemplate a loss against a team from the BW. These past few years and the next 2 will be completely different from the future. If you can get that type of opponent it will be tough getting a H&H. Scheduling a normal bW team with an almost gauranteed win is something completely different. Only time will tell over the next few years, say 2015 and beyond. If it were the other way around why would SDSU schedule an opponent like that? All the game matter equally, until you get to single elimination conference/ncaa tournament. The NCAA doesn't put added criteria into how you finish the season anymore, or else UNLV wouldn't have made the tourney. The committee looks at a number of things, RPI alone I still believe to be of very little important. What matters more is the numbers inside the numbers, what is the record vs top 50 and how many bad losses do you have? Do you really think the committee is going to care much whether the bad loss is against Northridge as apposed to someone like AFA? Probably not. Kind of like losing to good teams help RPI and beating bad ones hurt it I am sure the committee frowns at that. SDSU obviously has to beat good teams as well. There are still questions for SDSU basketball going forward, plenty of similar ones that would still be had in the MWC. The number one and most important question is exactly how good of a head coach will Brian Dutcher be? We will see.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Oct 3, 2012 15:40:28 GMT -8
Bake sale! ..Sent from my Samsung GS3.. Fullerton Finance.
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Post by jediwarrior on Oct 3, 2012 19:39:31 GMT -8
Damn CSUN's gym looks half the size of a high school gym. It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. Problem is they have no fan base nor funds. Northridge attendance for the Hawaii volleyball game was 734. That's actually pretty good for a volleyball game. In the WAC, lucky to break 100 to 200 fans. Side note: Northridge took Hawaii to 5 games. Hawaii pulled out game 5 -- 19-17. Hate to say it, but in volleyball, the BIG WEST has better attendance and better teams than the WAC. Actually, ...I don't hate saying it. Glad we're in the BIG WEST.
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Post by quickdraw on Oct 3, 2012 20:36:23 GMT -8
Damn CSUN's gym looks half the size of a high school gym. It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. Typical, still 1 year before you are even in the conference and already wanting terms and kick out other members because they don't measure up to your standards. Typical, sad but typical. Go Aztecs....
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Post by tonatiuh on Oct 3, 2012 23:07:19 GMT -8
You could be right, and you could be very wrong. UCR's plans for a new basketball arena are strong. What makes this plan so amazing is the fact that their current place where they play is only a few years old itself. They have had winning BB teams for many years (in Div. II), and are determined to become successful again in Div. I. Don't take them lightly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 7:22:50 GMT -8
A couple years ago, my good friend who graduated from CSUN showed my their version of SDSU360 magazine. It has an article about one of those obscure facts nobody keeps track of except universities. That fact was that over the previous X number of years, 25 maybe, of all universities in the country CSUN had like the 12th highest number of graduates go on to become attorneys. That seemed strange to me but in thinking about it, the place is a huge school. Not quite as big as SDSU, but very close. Something like 35K undergraduates. My guess is a lot of kids who aspire to be lawyers attend Northridge to keep costs down as an undergrad so they can put away as much as possible for law school. Anyway, if CSUN has that many graduates who become attorneys, I can't believe they couldn't hit up a bunch of them for that bake sale.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 7:29:06 GMT -8
It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. Problem is they have no fan base nor funds. Northridge attendance for the Hawaii volleyball game was 734. That's actually pretty good for a volleyball game. In the WAC, lucky to break 100 to 200 fans. Side note: Northridge took Hawaii to 5 games. Hawaii pulled out game 5 -- 19-17. Hate to say it, but in volleyball, the BIG WEST has better attendance and better teams than the WAC. Actually, ...I don't hate saying it. Glad we're in the BIG WEST. What do they charge to attend a volleyball game? $5? $10? In the scheme of things, it's all about earning money which can be funneled into a school's general fund to pay for new buildings, research laboratories, faculty salaries and the like. quickduh doesn't realize it but that's why his school emphasizes basketball over football. An article linked a year or so ago to the MWC board showed UNLV earns a pretty penny from the Thomas & Mack. So schools pay for themselves in various ways. However, I don't see volleyball ever being able to do that. Soccer maybe starting a couple decades from now but volleyball never.
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Post by monty on Oct 4, 2012 8:10:25 GMT -8
It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. Problem is they have no fan base nor funds. Northridge attendance for the Hawaii volleyball game was 734. That's actually pretty good for a volleyball game. In the WAC, lucky to break 100 to 200 fans. Side note: Northridge took Hawaii to 5 games. Hawaii pulled out game 5 -- 19-17. Hate to say it, but in volleyball, the BIG WEST has better attendance and better teams than the WAC. Actually, ...I don't hate saying it. Glad we're in the BIG WEST. Yea, because big west schools and Hawaii like volleyball. But the rest of the world says, who cares?
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Post by beefeater on Oct 4, 2012 9:10:57 GMT -8
Northridge attendance for the Hawaii volleyball game was 734. That's actually pretty good for a volleyball game. In the WAC, lucky to break 100 to 200 fans. Side note: Northridge took Hawaii to 5 games. Hawaii pulled out game 5 -- 19-17. Hate to say it, but in volleyball, the BIG WEST has better attendance and better teams than the WAC. Actually, ...I don't hate saying it. Glad we're in the BIG WEST. What do they charge to attend a volleyball game? $5? $10? In the scheme of things, it's all about earning money which can be funneled into a school's general fund to pay for new buildings, research laboratories, faculty salaries and the like. quickduh doesn't realize it but that's why his school emphasizes basketball over football. An article linked a year or so ago to the MWC board showed UNLV earns a pretty penny from the Thomas & Mack. So schools pay for themselves in various ways. However, I don't see volleyball ever being able to do that. Soccer maybe starting a couple decades from now but volleyball never. Never say never. Hawai'i can sell out the Sheriff center for volleyball matches. UCSB can draw 15K for a soccer match. These aren't normal situations but don't say it can never happen. If you want to talk about the scheme of things, the bulk of NCAA money comes from football, which is why SDSU joined the Big East. After, that a good chunk of change comes from basketball, which is why the BWC wanted SDSU badly enough to agree to shortening the schedule. After that you have certain programs at certain institutions which are atypical in that they actually make a profit, such as UCSB basketball or Hawai'i volleyball. Then, you have programs that make enough to break even. Everybody else loses money. At CSUN every program loses money. And there is little to no support from the administration to change the status quo. They made some nice improvements to the Matadome. Laugh all you want, but it's certainly better than it was a couple years ago. It's a prefect facility for volleyball now. They still need a basketball arena but it is doubtful if they will ever get one. The university spent all their money on a performing arts center instead. That's where their priorities lay. As a longtime BWC supporter, it's annoying that some of you choose to focus so much on CSUN as though they typify the BWC. In some ways, their problems speak to the money shortages at most California state funded colleges, but they are also the worst example of a member with an indifferent-to-hostile administration and an invisible fanbase in the BWC. Even though every (pre-existing) BWC member is a Cal state funded institution these aren't all cookie cutter schools and cookie cutter programs. It's also worth noting that in spite of everything, CSUN has had respectable results on the court since they joined the BWC. They've had about as much success in the BWC as Boise State had in the WAC. They've been to the NCAAT and they came close a couple times.
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Post by beefeater on Oct 4, 2012 9:47:45 GMT -8
People continue to say UCSB will be one of our main competitors I can say with confidence that won't be the case. UC Irvine, BSU, and Hawaii are in much better shape going forward than UCSB. Short term, i.e., next season, I agree with you. UCSB is very young and lost their anticipated top scorer to injury. I also think UCI has good potential but it is a program with very little history, has never even made it to the tournament. To move them above UCSB just because you like their latest flavor of a coach is a stretch. BSU & UH have potential because of nicer arenas but note that they've had these arenas for quite a while and they are what they are. Long term I disagree about UCSB, the Gauchos have done well recruiting (by Big West standards) the past two seasons should be well within the second tier to SDSU. This is premature but I project the tiers in the Big West in 2013-14 to break down like this: 1. SDSU 2. LB 3. UCSB, UH, BSU 4. UCI, UCD 5. CSUN, CSF, UCR I guess that is fair. UCSB has been putting more into their program for longer than UCI has. UCI, right now, is building a new weight room/training facility/academic center. It's long overdue. But, the UCSB facilities are still a slight step ahead, and Bob Williams has a much greater track record than Russell Turner. Fan support at UCSB is better and traditionally is better. Both universities have the same high appeal in terms of beach location and weather but UCSB's is slightly better. I think the good news for UCI is that there is more unfulfilled potential. If Turner keeps the program headed in the right direction, then in a few years there won't be a big gap between UCSB and UCI like there has been ever since the program started it's decline under Pat Douglass.
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Post by jediwarrior on Oct 4, 2012 11:48:34 GMT -8
Northridge attendance for the Hawaii volleyball game was 734. That's actually pretty good for a volleyball game. In the WAC, lucky to break 100 to 200 fans. Side note: Northridge took Hawaii to 5 games. Hawaii pulled out game 5 -- 19-17. Hate to say it, but in volleyball, the BIG WEST has better attendance and better teams than the WAC. Actually, ...I don't hate saying it. Glad we're in the BIG WEST. What do they charge to attend a volleyball game? $5? $10? In the scheme of things, it's all about earning money which can be funneled into a school's general fund to pay for new buildings, research laboratories, faculty salaries and the like. quickduh doesn't realize it but that's why his school emphasizes basketball over football. An article linked a year or so ago to the MWC board showed UNLV earns a pretty penny from the Thomas & Mack. So schools pay for themselves in various ways. However, I don't see volleyball ever being able to do that. Soccer maybe starting a couple decades from now but volleyball never. Hawaii hosted an NCAA volleyball tournament last year. Over 9k fans in the stands. Regular season games are never lower than 6k. Our baseball averages around 4K a game. So...those so-called "non-revenue" generating sports...can generate revenue for some schools. But I understand your point. Basketball is the big fish. SDSU and Boise should be working with the BIG EAST to get UNLV as the #14 member. UNLV is the best answer all around. They need to be BIG EAST and BIG WEST bound.
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Post by insider on Oct 4, 2012 11:49:59 GMT -8
It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. Typical, still 1 year before you are even in the conference and already wanting terms and kick out other members because they don't measure up to your standards. Typical, sad but typical. Go Aztecs.... UNLV fans are priceless.
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Post by jdgaucho on Oct 4, 2012 11:58:03 GMT -8
Yea, because big west schools and Hawaii like volleyball. But the rest of the world says, who cares? Nebraska does. I wouldn't doubt it if the Huskers turn a profit in volleyball. sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?columnist=voepel_mechelle&id=5903414 Same with Texas and Penn State. In any case, The Big Ten and Big 12 certainly care about volleyball. fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_volleyball_RB/2012/Attendance.pdf As a conference the B1G has been tops in the nation in average attendance the last five years. With regard to individual schools, the conference accounted for five of the top-10 teams in average attendance and ten of the top 50 for 2011. Hawaii led the nation in average attendance. Right behind were Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Penn State. Illinois was 9th. the Big 12 boasted four members in the top-25 with Texas leading the way at #6. Iowa State was 15th, Texas A&M #21 in their final year, and Kansas State #22. Even some Mountain West buddies of yours care: New Mexico at #16, CSU at #17 and TCU in their final year finished at #19. The rest of the world replies back - who cares about SDSU football and Boise wrestling?
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