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Post by quickdraw on Oct 1, 2012 16:36:04 GMT -8
Going into the bW SDSU will be the cream for a few years. The challenge comes in try to keep a team and fans motivated to excel when the level of competition drops off so far. This article talked about the other teams in the bW being motivated to step up in competition because of SDSU coming to town. Including teams like BSU and Hawaii into the discussion is a bit ludicrous.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 17:45:42 GMT -8
quickduh! quickduh! quickduh!
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Post by insider on Oct 1, 2012 17:56:39 GMT -8
Going into the bW SDSU will be the cream for a few years. The challenge comes in try to keep a team and fans motivated to excel when the level of competition drops off so far. This article talked about the other teams in the bW being motivated to step up in competition because of SDSU coming to town. Including teams like BSU and Hawaii into the discussion is a bit ludicrous. The level of competition isn't jumping off far unless you are excluding OOC schedules.
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Post by quickdraw on Oct 1, 2012 18:10:21 GMT -8
Going into the bW SDSU will be the cream for a few years. The challenge comes in try to keep a team and fans motivated to excel when the level of competition drops off so far. This article talked about the other teams in the bW being motivated to step up in competition because of SDSU coming to town. Including teams like BSU and Hawaii into the discussion is a bit ludicrous. The level of competition isn't jumping off far unless you are excluding OOC schedules. The majority of games when it matters and the selection committee is watching will be in the #25th conference in RPI. To have a chance to make-up for that SDSU will need to not only need to schedule but win against ranked competetion early in the season. Scheduling that type of competition will get ever more difficult when they contemplate a loss against a team from the BW. These past few years and the next 2 will be completely different from the future. If you can get that type of opponent it will be tough getting a H&H. Scheduling a normal bW team with an almost gauranteed win is something completely different. Only time will tell over the next few years, say 2015 and beyond. If it were the other way around why would SDSU schedule an opponent like that?
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Post by spartanmark on Oct 1, 2012 18:53:55 GMT -8
SDSU is going to go through the Big West like a knife through warm butter. Back "in the day" when UNLV was in the BW, nobody could compete with UNLV either. I do remember a time or two when we had more then one bid, but it was pretty much UNLV and the 7 dwarfs. I remember a Tark quote when he said it was pretty easy being the HC at UNLV. It wasn't like he had to beat Kentucky or Duke, all he needed to do was beat CSU-Fullerton. ;D
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Post by quickdraw on Oct 1, 2012 19:55:28 GMT -8
SDSU is going to go through the Big West like a knife through warm butter. Back "in the day" when UNLV was in the BW, nobody could compete with UNLV either. I do remember a time or two when we had more then one bid, but it was pretty much UNLV and the 7 dwarfs. I remember a Tark quote when he said it was pretty easy being the HC at UNLV. It wasn't like he had to beat Kentucky or Duke, all he needed to do was beat CSU-Fullerton. ;D Yeah I was there at those games and with the exception of 90 & 91 season we would sit and watch while we consistantly got 10-13 seeds. You only get that high of a seed if you kicked butt all year and hads big wins. The bW won't be garnering any 3/4 seeds
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Post by jdgaucho on Oct 1, 2012 20:28:26 GMT -8
The majority of games when it matters and the selection committee is watching will be in the #25th conference in RPI. To have a chance to make-up for that SDSU will need to not only need to schedule but win against ranked competition early in the season. Scheduling that type of competition will get ever more difficult when they contemplate a loss against a team from the BW. These past few years and the next 2 will be completely different from the future. If you can get that type of opponent it will be tough getting a H&H. Scheduling a normal bW team with an almost gauranteed win is something completely different. Only time will tell over the next few years, say 2015 and beyond. If it were the other way around why would SDSU schedule an opponent like that? Because I can't see SDSU or UNLV being too stubborn to continue the series.Murray State had a solid non-conference schedule last year. Was not a murderer's row like Long Beach, but nice nonetheless. They wound up with a #6 seed. Going 27-1 probably had something to do with it too, considering the Ohio Valley was ranked 21st in conference RPI. Now that they have Belmont as a conference foe it's more likely the OVC is a two-bid league this year. "Scheduling a normal bW team with an almost guaranteed win is something completely different. " Like UNLV did with UCSB in '06, '07 and '10 right ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) ? You won in '11 which was a classic so I'll give ya that. These were a pair of H&H's too, btw. So why replace us with UCI and Hawaii this year?
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Post by jdgaucho on Oct 1, 2012 20:31:07 GMT -8
SDSU is going to go through the Big West like a knife through warm butter. Back "in the day" when UNLV was in the BW, nobody could compete with UNLV either. I do remember a time or two when we had more then one bid, but it was pretty much UNLV and the 7 dwarfs. I remember a Tark quote when he said it was pretty easy being the HC at UNLV. It wasn't like he had to beat Kentucky or Duke, all he needed to do was beat CSU-Fullerton. ;D Tark also said the toughest place to play was Santa Barbara. www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/shark-bytes/2010/dec/17/tark-blog-1217/
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Post by yougotslaughtered on Oct 1, 2012 20:47:00 GMT -8
SDSU is going to go through the Big West like a knife through warm butter. Back "in the day" when UNLV was in the BW, nobody could compete with UNLV either. I do remember a time or two when we had more then one bid, but it was pretty much UNLV and the 7 dwarfs. I remember a Tark quote when he said it was pretty easy being the HC at UNLV. It wasn't like he had to beat Kentucky or Duke, all he needed to do was beat CSU-Fullerton. ;D Yeah I was there at those games and with the exception of 90 & 91 season we would sit and watch while we consistantly got 10-13 seeds. You only get that high of a seed if you kicked butt all year and hads big wins. The bW won't be garnering any 3/4 seeds Yes...being realistic, right now...if a team in the BW doesnt completely dominate and win upwards of 28 wins or something, I dont see many 4,5,6,7 seeds at all. That includes SDSU. That's true...but I also feel that once you give it a few years, the respect of the conference will go up. The better teams of the conference (SDSU, LBSU, Boise, UCSB) definitely have the ability and resources to put together some quality/winning teams that can make it to the tournament along with SDSU. Once that happens, the BW can easily be viewed the same way the Ohio Valley conference is viewed...which we can agree isnt all that bad at all...or yes even the WCC (even if the comparisons to Gonzaga are starting to get annoying)
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Post by manicwater on Oct 1, 2012 21:52:44 GMT -8
The big west is garbage! The shorter the stay there the better.
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 1, 2012 22:16:12 GMT -8
This is a good sign for the league. If all the teams could improve enough to get all the teams with an RPI of less than 200, half the teams under 100, and 3 teams under 50, with one top 10. That should make the league a two bid conference with the every two or three years a third team. That would be a decent basketball conference.
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Post by enolt08 on Oct 2, 2012 10:05:43 GMT -8
This is a good sign for the league. If all the teams could improve enough to get all the teams with an RPI of less than 200, half the teams under 100, and 3 teams under 50, with one top 10. That should make the league a two bid conference with the every two or three years a third team. That would be a decent basketball conference. What you just described is what the MWC has been the last few years (in terms of the RPI). The Big West has a loooooong way to go for that. Not saying it can't be done but it took the MWC 10+ years to do that and the MWC started at a much better starting point.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Oct 2, 2012 11:19:28 GMT -8
Going into the bW SDSU will be the cream for a few years. The challenge comes in try to keep a team and fans motivated to excel when the level of competition drops off so far. This article talked about the other teams in the bW being motivated to step up in competition because of SDSU coming to town. Including teams like BSU and Hawaii into the discussion is a bit ludicrous. SDSU going to BW is evidently already having a positive impact. It’s only natural for other programs to step up their game if they wish to compete at a higher level. The challenge for our program shall always be to win the NCAA Championship not keeping our team and Aztec fans motivated to excel due to “lesser” competition. If we keep winning and being ranked, we’ll continue to attract good recruits and The V will sell out. When Fisher was hired, he boldly stated that he wants to win a championship at SDSU. As you’re well aware, we’ve taken huge strides to get where we are today and will continue to make the climb until we reach the pinnacle. What’s so ludicrous about BSU and Hawaii being included in the discussion? They too need to step it up just like the rest.
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Post by quickdraw on Oct 2, 2012 17:08:13 GMT -8
This is a good sign for the league. If all the teams could improve enough to get all the teams with an RPI of less than 200, half the teams under 100, and 3 teams under 50, with one top 10. That should make the league a two bid conference with the every two or three years a third team. That would be a decent basketball conference. What do you think the bW has been doing all of these years, not trying? Well not much anyway. It takes a constant motivated effort with the total support of your University for years and years to make those kinds of moves. They have just tried to mantain their programs and have not made any serious efforts as a whole to be relevant. Even the article that started this thread talks about a new floor, new paint, an AC unit and a study. That type of efforts will get you more of the same. The bW will have maybe 3 or 4 serious teams being pulled down by 8. Good luck with those odds. It is good enough for those guys but I thought SDSU was building for a championship. For all of the talk about how the MWC was holding back SDSU football I don't see where you can think the bW will allow SDSU BB to thrive. Can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try, but keep trying.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Oct 2, 2012 19:01:36 GMT -8
This is a good sign for the league. If all the teams could improve enough to get all the teams with an RPI of less than 200, half the teams under 100, and 3 teams under 50, with one top 10. That should make the league a two bid conference with the every two or three years a third team. That would be a decent basketball conference. What do you think the bW has been doing all of these years, not trying? Well not much anyway. It takes a constant motivated effort with the total support of your University for years and years to make those kinds of moves. They have just tried to mantain their programs and have not made any serious efforts as a whole to be relevant. Even the article that started this thread talks about a new floor, new paint, an AC unit and a study. That type of efforts will get you more of the same. The bW will have maybe 3 or 4 serious teams being pulled down by 8. Good luck with those odds. It is good enough for those guys but I thought SDSU was building for a championship. For all of the talk about how the MWC was holding back SDSU football I don't see where you can think the bW will allow SDSU BB to thrive. Can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try, but keep trying. We can only make do with what we can control and that is to win our games. You can continue making condescending remarks about our future situation in the Big West if that'll make you feel better about yourself but, even in a stronger league, your school still has to win their games to make it to the postseason. We can only hope that with increased TV revenue and additional money from the Big Dance, our conference mates would pour more money into their basketball programs so the BW as a whole will improve. It'll certainly take some time but SDSU will continue to thrive because, as I previously stated, our objective is to win a national championship. We're going to wish our league mates the best but we're not going to lose sleep over with what they don't do. In sum, we're fully cognizant of the cards we were dealt with but Fisher and the staff knows how to make the most of it and turn it into a positive for us which is evidenced by their experience in turning a coaching graveyard into a program considered to be one of the best in the west.
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Post by quickdraw on Oct 2, 2012 19:17:16 GMT -8
What do you think the bW has been doing all of these years, not trying? Well not much anyway. It takes a constant motivated effort with the total support of your University for years and years to make those kinds of moves. They have just tried to mantain their programs and have not made any serious efforts as a whole to be relevant. Even the article that started this thread talks about a new floor, new paint, an AC unit and a study. That type of efforts will get you more of the same. The bW will have maybe 3 or 4 serious teams being pulled down by 8. Good luck with those odds. It is good enough for those guys but I thought SDSU was building for a championship. For all of the talk about how the MWC was holding back SDSU football I don't see where you can think the bW will allow SDSU BB to thrive. Can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try, but keep trying. We can only make do with what we can control and that is to win our games. You can continue making condescending remarks about our future situation in the Big West if that'll make you feel better about yourself but, even in a stronger league, your school still has to win their games to make it to the postseason. We can only hope that with increased TV revenue and additional money from the Big Dance, our conference mates would pour more money into their basketball programs so the BW as a whole will improve. It'll certainly take some time but SDSU will continue to thrive because, as I previously stated, our objective is to win a national championship. We're going to wish our league mates the best but we're not going to lose sleep over with what they don't do. In sum, we're fully cognizant of the cards we were dealt with but Fisher and the staff knows how to make the most of it and turn it into a positive for us which is evidenced by their experience in turning a coaching graveyard into a program considered to be one of the best in the west. Absolutely
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Post by beefeater on Oct 3, 2012 7:48:39 GMT -8
1 Big Ten 0.5804 2 Big East 0.5680 3 Big 12 0.5647 4 SEC 0.5629 5 Mountain West 0.5563 6 ACC 0.5520 7 Atlantic 10 0.5343 8 Missouri Valley 0.5258 9 Pac 12 0.5257 10 Conference USA 0.5251 11 West Coast 0.5104 12Western Athletic 0.5063 13 Horizon League 0.4933 14 Colonial Athletic 0.4929 15 Ivy League 0.4926 16 Summit League 0.4854 17 MAAC 0.4851 18 Mid-American 0.4832 19 Atlantic Sun 0.4813 20 Sun Belt 0.4807 21 Ohio Valley 0.4738 22 Patriot League 0.4715 23 Southern 0.4635 24 Northeast 0.4610 25 Big West 0.4587 26 Big Sky 0.4580 27 Big South 0.4526 28 Southland 0.4509 29 America East 0.4341 30 MEAC 0.4323 31 Independent 0.4243 32 Great West 0.4112 33 SWAC 0.4073
Take a photo, because the gap will never be this wide again. If this were the stock market, now would be the time to sell high and buy low. The MWC is going to fall back down to earth. It's not going to remain above the Pac12. The overall level of quality in the MWC is going to decline. It's still going to be a good conference, but what happened last year and what may happen this year is the absolute peak. It's downhill after this. The BWC will not reach the level of the MWC but it can narrow the gap with the WCC. In a few years, the table is going to look a lot different than it does now.
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Post by goaztecs on Oct 3, 2012 7:54:51 GMT -8
Damn CSUN's gym looks half the size of a high school gym.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 9:14:10 GMT -8
Damn CSUN's gym looks half the size of a high school gym. It's a complete joke. Northridge should just be given an ultimatum that if they want to remain in the Big Lots, they need to hold a fund drive which would get together the down payment for a new arena. Give them like three years to get it done with the caveat that if they don't want to or can't, they leave. On another point, isn't it sad how obsessed quickdraw is with SDSU?
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Post by jdgaucho on Oct 3, 2012 10:04:31 GMT -8
notice that the WAC was 12th last year. That will only drop from here faster than Rocky Long's chances of coaching beyond next year.
Even though Denver and UT Arlington arrive this year which is good, Seattle arrives as well and Nevada left which is bad. Next year UTA and Choo Choo U (Utah State) leave. So even if the conference finds a way to survive it will be in the bottom 10 nationally.
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