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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 10:56:08 GMT -8
We still have over five months to go, but I'm putting my money on this thread as the Worst Of The Year! It would have to finish pretty high in the race to be named Most Embarrassing Thread of the Year, too. Well, it would only be embarrassing if somebody from one of the "major" conferences were to read it. It is the silly season, but really! AzWm Just wait till the football team loses a game and 30 guys log into to say that the loss was due to Coach Long keeping his arms crossed during the game. There is a bottomless well of moronic commentary yet to be read!
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Post by k5james on Aug 16, 2012 10:58:31 GMT -8
We still have over five months to go, but I'm putting my money on this thread as the Worst Of The Year! It would have to finish pretty high in the race to be named Most Embarrassing Thread of the Year, too. Well, it would only be embarrassing if somebody from one of the "major" conferences were to read it. It is the silly season, but really! AzWm Just wait till the football team loses a game and 30 guys log into to say that the loss was due to Coach Long keeping his arms crossed during the game. Theere is a bottomless well of moronic commentary yet to be read! Yeah, those are always great.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 11:43:50 GMT -8
please admit that your "Let's take our talents to the WAC if the BW doesn't add Boise" declaration was arrogant, baseless, and ultimately rediculous. Not ridiculous at all and your comment is absolutely speculative. It's obvious no effort was ever made to save the WAC since Boise decided it would eventually be admitted to the BLC. Boise's admission to the BLC simply took BE intervention. Once the BE settled with WVU, Pitt and Syracuse on exit penalties which, IIRC, were cumulatively ~$22.5M, a portion of that was designated to Boise to help defray travel expenses for BLC members other than SDSU. Had the BE blown off Boise's overtures in that regard, Boise would have made some effort to save the WAC but the fact Boise never made any such effort is proof the BE simply told Boise it needed to be patient in order to get the monetary commitment. Maybe Boise would have been unsuccessful in trying to save the WAC, but we'll never know since no effort was ever made. So your bold statement above is just silly. Viewing it from surface level, my statement would seem rather bold and spectacular. I don't think it is without merit, though. Even with Boise hemming and hawing the WAC still could have invited Utah Valley, CSU Bakersfield and Texas-PanAm. Ideal? Eff no! But bringing them in would make it 7/8 and at least ensure a conference for basketball. First order of business is securing a future as an Olympic conference at the bare minimum. Instead the WAC brass are so obsessed with remaining FBS that it paralyzed them into doing nothing at all up to this point. Inviting six FCS schools up? having a WACeast? At best, they will be without football for at least one year. At worst, the WAC ceases to exist come July 2013. Seattle, Denver, NMSU and Idaho - not a bad core to build around. Unfortunately for them, they wasted the entire summer waiting for Boise to decide if they stay or go. And even had they joined with SDSU the WAC would've still needed one more to reach the minimum requirement of 7 for basketball. Plus the major resentment would have remained. We know if Idaho gets an invite to the MWC they're gone. Denver and Seattle to anywhere not named the Big Sky, they're gone. NMSU gallops into the sunset towards C-USA or the MWC if they ever receive that call. Such a weak foundation would not last long. The difference between the WAC now and the Big West in 2000-2001? The latter quickly accepted that football was not coming back for a long time (if ever), and invites to Northridge and Davis were issued. Men's soccer was reinstated as a Big West sponsored sport to satisfy the multisport requirement. Again, ensuring survival as an Olympic conference first and foremost. All the members tried to make it work and as you can see, it did. Edit: Looks like Idaho has just signed off on killing the WAC. They are poised for football independence and to join the Big Sky in everything else.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 16, 2012 12:16:50 GMT -8
Had enough UCSB propaganda for one thread? Oh, by the way, did I mention that UCI has won three of the last six Men's Volleyball National Championships? As for the whole Boise thing, I try to look at it to see who won and who lost. I always want a win-win if possible, so let's see who won . . . Boise? yeah, I think Boise won. They wanted in the conference and they got it. SDSU? yeah, pretty much ditto the BWC? well, not totally sure until the details come out, but let's say they probably won. They wanted travel subsidy and something extra. At the very least they got travel and Boise adds something to the conference, so that's a win. Hey, looks like everybody wins. . . . . . except The Show. You guys LOSE. Somebody's changed his tune...
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Post by monty on Aug 16, 2012 13:14:05 GMT -8
Had enough UCSB propaganda for one thread? Oh, by the way, did I mention that UCI has won three of the last six Men's Volleyball National Championships? As for the whole Boise thing, I try to look at it to see who won and who lost. I always want a win-win if possible, so let's see who won . . . Boise? yeah, I think Boise won. They wanted in the conference and they got it. SDSU? yeah, pretty much ditto the BWC? well, not totally sure until the details come out, but let's say they probably won. They wanted travel subsidy and something extra. At the very least they got travel and Boise adds something to the conference, so that's a win. Hey, looks like everybody wins. . . . . . except The Show. You guys LOSE. Somebody's changed his tune... Daddy SDSU tells Big Lots what to think
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 13:19:00 GMT -8
Somebody's changed his tune... Daddy SDSU tells Big Lots what to think Doesn't Boise have the pimp cane in this situation?
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Post by monty on Aug 16, 2012 13:28:14 GMT -8
Daddy SDSU tells Big Lots what to think Doesn't Boise have the pimp cane in this situation? They got us in the Big Least, we got them in the Big Lots, it's a symbiotic relationship and y'all are just barnacles on the hull of our buses
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 16, 2012 13:51:49 GMT -8
Doesn't Boise have the pimp cane in this situation? They got us in the Big Least, we got them in the Big Lots, it's a symbiotic relationship and y'all are just barnacles on the hull of our buses Must have missed the fine print. It says UCR is to be the windshield wipers that cleans off the crud New Mexico, UNLV and co. hurl at the bus.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 16, 2012 17:50:04 GMT -8
Zactly, James. There's a reason why Arizona (too damn hot), ASU (same as Arizona), Colorado (to cold and you can't run at altitude), Oregon (rains to much; slip in mud constantly), USC (players wondering too far from the field risk being shot in a drive by), Utah (religious rules prevent it) and WSU (too damn cold) all don't play soccer. Zactly, James. There's a reason why Arizona (too damn hot), ASU (same as Arizona), Colorado (to cold and you can't run at altitude), Oregon (rains to much; slip in mud constantly), USC (players wondering too far from the field risk being shot in a drive by), Utah (religious rules prevent it) and WSU (too damn cold) all don't play soccer.[/quote]
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Post by beefeater on Aug 16, 2012 21:36:35 GMT -8
Had enough UCSB propaganda for one thread? Oh, by the way, did I mention that UCI has won three of the last six Men's Volleyball National Championships? As for the whole Boise thing, I try to look at it to see who won and who lost. I always want a win-win if possible, so let's see who won . . . Boise? yeah, I think Boise won. They wanted in the conference and they got it. SDSU? yeah, pretty much ditto the BWC? well, not totally sure until the details come out, but let's say they probably won. They wanted travel subsidy and something extra. At the very least they got travel and Boise adds something to the conference, so that's a win. Hey, looks like everybody wins. . . . . . except The Show. You guys LOSE. Somebody's changed his tune... No, I said from the very beginning that Boise State would be an above average basketball program, have excellent tennis, and a pretty good softball program. I never said they add nothing. You guys were the ones crying like babies about Boise being a MUST HAVE because otherwise you wouldn't be able to swallow joining the BWC, acting like Boise was going to make or break the conference. My point all along was that Boise was NOT a MUST HAVE and that if they were to join it would be for right price, because we could take them or leave them. Don't confuse me with ccman who thinks adding Boise State is the end of the world. I never said that and never thought that.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 16, 2012 21:53:40 GMT -8
You know, for a sport that nobody cares about, it's funny how there's a thread on this board caring about it.
Too bad for those of you that thumb your nose at everything but football and basketball. You have to pretend not to be interested or care about anything else now or be revealed as lying hypocrites! Congrats!
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 17, 2012 1:13:34 GMT -8
Zactly, James. There's a reason why Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Oregon, USC, Utah and WSU all don't play soccer. yet Stanford, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State and Washington all play. So what does it say about them? that new Big East you want to be a full member of? everyone not named Houston plays too. With the ridiculous strictures of CalNOW, the CSU schools have a very tough time maintaining large men's sports teams, esp if they have football. The UC doesn't have those restraints.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 17, 2012 1:15:22 GMT -8
We still have over five months to go, but I'm putting my money on this thread as the Worst Of The Year! It would have to finish pretty high in the race to be named Most Embarrassing Thread of the Year, too. Well, it would only be embarrassing if somebody from one of the "major" conferences were to read it. It is the silly season, but really! AzWm Just wait till the football team loses a game and 30 guys log into to say that the loss was due to Coach Long keeping his arms crossed during the game. There is a bottomless well of moronic commentary yet to be read! Or that it is year 4 of Hoke's 5 year plan and we should be winning 11 games consistently...
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 17, 2012 1:19:34 GMT -8
You know, for a sport that nobody cares about, it's funny how there's a thread on this board caring about it. Too bad for those of you that thumb your nose at everything but football and basketball. You have to pretend not to be interested or care about anything else now or be revealed as lying hypocrites! Congrats! No one here doesn't care about other sports. There are a number of us here that lettered in Oly Sports. When it comes to program survival in desperate financial times, it is Football primarily and basketball that drive the bus.
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Post by monty on Aug 17, 2012 7:41:53 GMT -8
Just wait till the football team loses a game and 30 guys log into to say that the loss was due to Coach Long keeping his arms crossed during the game. There is a bottomless well of moronic commentary yet to be read! Or that it is year 4 of Hoke's 5 year plan and we should be winning 11 games consistently... How dare we expect the football coach that has been here for 4 years to win games with the 8th easiest schedule in the country. How dare we.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 18, 2012 1:06:04 GMT -8
You know, for a sport that nobody cares about, it's funny how there's a thread on this board caring about it. Too bad for those of you that thumb your nose at everything but football and basketball. You have to pretend not to be interested or care about anything else now or be revealed as lying hypocrites! Congrats! No one here doesn't care about other sports. There are a number of us here that lettered in Oly Sports. When it comes to program survival in desperate financial times, it is Football primarily and basketball that drive the bus. No, you are wrong. If I learned one thing from the brilliant minds at AztecMesa, it is that if you care about something other than football or basketball, then you automatically lack the sophistication to understand the difference between a revenue generating sport, a revenue losing sport, and a revenue neutral sport. It is through my education here that I learned that this is actually the cause of the Big West's financial problems. People here cannot possibly care about other sports, else they would believe those sports generate revenue and then SDSU would stop supporting basketball and football and they would be in financial trouble just like the Big West. No, you must all be pure of revenue-generating mind! There is no other explanation for SDSU's success! Thank you for enlightening me, Aztecs!
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 18, 2012 3:49:01 GMT -8
No one here doesn't care about other sports. There are a number of us here that lettered in Oly Sports. When it comes to program survival in desperate financial times, it is Football primarily and basketball that drive the bus. No, you are wrong. If I learned one thing from the brilliant minds at AztecMesa, it is that if you care about something other than football or basketball, then you automatically lack the sophistication to understand the difference between a revenue generating sport, a revenue losing sport, and a revenue neutral sport. It is through my education here that I learned that this is actually the cause of the Big West's financial problems. People here cannot possibly care about other sports, else they would believe those sports generate revenue and then SDSU would stop supporting basketball and football and they would be in financial trouble just like the Big West. No, you must all be pure of revenue-generating mind! There is no other explanation for SDSU's success! Thank you for enlightening me, Aztecs! Riiight anteater. No need to troll and bait. We have higher aspirations than most schools in the BW. I get it, and it takes money to field programs like that and compete at a higher level. Our Oly Sports are about to get back full coaching staffs and better facilities and support in a very economically and CalNOW constrained environment. Comments like yours make me happy that we are merely passing through the BW for those sports while the Oly Sports situation develops.
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Post by monty on Aug 18, 2012 5:46:04 GMT -8
No one here doesn't care about other sports. There are a number of us here that lettered in Oly Sports. When it comes to program survival in desperate financial times, it is Football primarily and basketball that drive the bus. No, you are wrong. If I learned one thing from the brilliant minds at AztecMesa, it is that if you care about something other than football or basketball, then you automatically lack the sophistication to understand the difference between a revenue generating sport, a revenue losing sport, and a revenue neutral sport. It is through my education here that I learned that this is actually the cause of the Big West's financial problems. People here cannot possibly care about other sports, else they would believe those sports generate revenue and then SDSU would stop supporting basketball and football and they would be in financial trouble just like the Big West. No, you must all be pure of revenue-generating mind! There is no other explanation for SDSU's success! Thank you for enlightening me, Aztecs! oh great, the little baby is back. Go ahead and like your water polo and volleyball - just don't pretend like they really matter.
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Post by titanczar on Aug 18, 2012 8:03:14 GMT -8
Not ridiculous at all and your comment is absolutely speculative. It's obvious no effort was ever made to save the WAC since Boise decided it would eventually be admitted to the BLC. Boise's admission to the BLC simply took BE intervention. Once the BE settled with WVU, Pitt and Syracuse on exit penalties which, IIRC, were cumulatively ~$22.5M, a portion of that was designated to Boise to help defray travel expenses for BLC members other than SDSU. Had the BE blown off Boise's overtures in that regard, Boise would have made some effort to save the WAC but the fact Boise never made any such effort is proof the BE simply told Boise it needed to be patient in order to get the monetary commitment. Maybe Boise would have been unsuccessful in trying to save the WAC, but we'll never know since no effort was ever made. So your bold statement above is just silly. Viewing it from surface level, my statement would seem rather bold and spectacular. I don't think it is without merit, though. Even with Boise hemming and hawing the WAC still could have invited Utah Valley, CSU Bakersfield and Texas-PanAm. Ideal? Eff no! But bringing them in would make it 7/8 and at least ensure a conference for basketball. First order of business is securing a future as an Olympic conference at the bare minimum. Instead the WAC brass are so obsessed with remaining FBS that it paralyzed them into doing nothing at all up to this point. Inviting six FCS schools up? having a WACeast? At best, they will be without football for at least one year. At worst, the WAC ceases to exist come July 2013. Seattle, Denver, NMSU and Idaho - not a bad core to build around. Unfortunately for them, they wasted the entire summer waiting for Boise to decide if they stay or go. And even had they joined with SDSU the WAC would've still needed one more to reach the minimum requirement of 7 for basketball. Plus the major resentment would have remained. We know if Idaho gets an invite to the MWC they're gone. Denver and Seattle to anywhere not named the Big Sky, they're gone. NMSU gallops into the sunset towards C-USA or the MWC if they ever receive that call. Such a weak foundation would not last long. The difference between the WAC now and the Big West in 2000-2001? The latter quickly accepted that football was not coming back for a long time (if ever), and invites to Northridge and Davis were issued. Men's soccer was reinstated as a Big West sponsored sport to satisfy the multisport requirement. Again, ensuring survival as an Olympic conference first and foremost. All the members tried to make it work and as you can see, it did. Edit: Looks like Idaho has just signed off on killing the WAC. They are poised for football independence and to join the Big Sky in everything else. I agree with most of what you said, but the big difference between the WAC and BW in 2001, is that WAC four isn't stable at all. The BW in 2001 was a group of CA schools with little to no option to move to other conferences, no matter what the delusional LB fans think, nobody wanted them. BTW, the BW added Riverside, not Davis in 2001. The ONLY BW school that had any hope of a conference invite was UOP. They finally got their invitation 10-11 years later. The WAC has two schools, Idaho & NMSU, that would move to another football conference in a heart beat. Two other schools that would accept a WCC invitation in a heart beat. I wanted the WAC to stay around because of the AQ in hoops. We all know if the WAC is dead, that bid to March Madness isn't going to a mid major, but to the 12th place team in the Big 10 or ACC or SEC.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 18, 2012 8:13:24 GMT -8
No, you are wrong. If I learned one thing from the brilliant minds at AztecMesa, it is that if you care about something other than football or basketball, then you automatically lack the sophistication to understand the difference between a revenue generating sport, a revenue losing sport, and a revenue neutral sport. It is through my education here that I learned that this is actually the cause of the Big West's financial problems. People here cannot possibly care about other sports, else they would believe those sports generate revenue and then SDSU would stop supporting basketball and football and they would be in financial trouble just like the Big West. No, you must all be pure of revenue-generating mind! There is no other explanation for SDSU's success! Thank you for enlightening me, Aztecs! Riiight anteater. No need to troll and bait. We have higher aspirations than most schools in the BW. I get it, and it takes money to field programs like that and compete at a higher level. Our Oly Sports are about to get back full coaching staffs and better facilities and support in a very economically and CalNOW constrained environment. Comments like yours make me happy that we are merely passing through the BW for those sports while the Oly Sports situation develops. Just making a point is all. And, no offense, but you don't need to pretend that a little sarcasm on my part is the reason you don't want to be in the BWC. It's got nothing to do with me. The SDSU superiority is all Aztec. Enjoy your "passing through." Maybe start growing a beard to mark the hours until you are free to leave this terrible burden behind.
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