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Post by myownwords on Jul 21, 2012 10:07:37 GMT -8
I'm not taking your bait. Please re-read my earlier post. I've never taken a jab at ANY player. Yes to repeat, we took a step back last year, after Hoke left. We LOST the bowl remember?Aside from that, I'm not sure why you feel a need to get emotional and throw around personal insults. Have you been abused on this board by someone? Your responses are reasonable, but regarding the part I've put in bold above........I'd call it 'luck of the draw'. Things aligned for Hoke to give him a home game for his bowl, Rocky had the misfortune of basically playing a road game for his, and without a lot of advanced warning. Even then, it took a very controversial call to give us the loss. I expect improvement this year, but I'm not gonna cry the sky is falling if there isn't. Unless of course there's a huge dropoff. Your reasoning is possibly true. I don't agree with it, but I can see how many could come to that conclusion.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 21, 2012 10:11:31 GMT -8
When was the last time San Diego state had a top 40 recruiting class? Just curious if ever... The answer is never, although Rivals has been rating classes only since 2001. In 2003 and 2004, Craft had classes rated in the low fifties. Those were our highest rated ever. However, they were an illusion. As Brett Schrotenboer once pointed out, 48% of those two classes never suited up for more than one year. In the case of maybe half a dozen, it was just bad luck because of injuries. However, the great majority were academic casualties who either never qualified for admission or who flunked out of school after their first year. As an aside, the most senior host on Rivals Radio is of the opinion no FBS school should ever hire a head coach who doesn't have significant experience as a head coach and/or coordinator at schools where scholarships and APR factor into recruiting. Since Craft had just two years as a coordinator, the Rivals guy would have said he didn't meet the minimum qualifications to replace Ted Tollner. The illusory nature of those two classes are proof of the validity of that theory. But I never said we did have teams in the 40's. But unless we do soon (or at the very least in the 50's) we will be bottom dwellers in the Big East.
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 21, 2012 10:36:43 GMT -8
handed to y'all again.
Hoke had the fortune of playing a home game vs a service academy team that we were more talented than and already played their system of offense before. Long and company played ULL at their home, with their best team ever, loaded with a TE n Cor that got drafted on top of the crazy calls.. You don't have to agree with crap to get it handed back in ur face.
As for opinions, everyone has them and not all of them have to be pro SDSU and homer esq. however if u dish out negative pessimistic crap, that has no basis and fictitious, then be ready for Aztec supporters to lay down the law.. Here's u and gonzo arguments
1. SDSU better start being in top of country recruiting or else bottom dwellers. Fact SDSU has never finished in the upper tier in recruiting and the so called best class on paper was a complete and utter bust!! So your already trying to state Rocky n Co better do something that has never been done before or else they are losers in your world.. Good luck with that!
2. Only offer sheets n beating out people who yall see is worthy make up a successful recruit.. Bull spit... Staff recruits who they want for their systems, their evaluations, their style, and if that style keeps on producing quality student athletes like V Brown M Burris, L McFadden, G Escobar... Then u can take ur 5 star offered by everyone in country (Baxter) recruits and lay in bed with them all you want.
3. Rocky is no c Peterson.. Obviously not just as I compare yall to Mel Kiper with ur knowledge or lack there of. But here's the fact, he took the worst team in the NCAA n made them a .500 team that WHOOPED OUR ASS constantly. He's the same guy that also took us to 8-4 and a bowl in his first year as well. There's only a handful of exceptional coaches.. Cough, that's y they are EXCEPTIONAL DUHHHH, and every year teams are going after the same 7-10 coaches. However, there are plenty of really good football coaches and so far he has proven that he's one of them.. 8-4 in first year.. U arguing that?
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 21, 2012 10:38:55 GMT -8
Things aligned for Hoke to give him a home game for his bowl, Rocky had the misfortune of basically playing a road game for his, and without a lot of advanced warning. Even then, it took a very controversial call to give us the loss. Agreed. However, let's be real. We had 500 yards of offense against Wyoming but scored just 27 points. And our defense, which Rocky coordinates, allowed the Cowboys to gain more yards than against any opponent not named Texas State. So we lost. At home. But for that loss, we would not have ended up in the N.O. Bowl. Instead we would have played Temple in the New Mexico Bowl. Maybe we would have gotten blown out like Wyoming did, but we would have played them on a neutral field SDSU has played on more than a dozen times. True, and I don't want this to turn into a Hoke vs Rocky debate, because I have respect for both coaches. But remember, Hoke lost to Wyo in San Diego as well (in his 1st yr as HC here, just like Rocky), in a game he had absolutely no business losing.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 21, 2012 11:03:45 GMT -8
Agreed. However, let's be real. We had 500 yards of offense against Wyoming but scored just 27 points. And our defense, which Rocky coordinates, allowed the Cowboys to gain more yards than against any opponent not named Texas State. So we lost. At home. But for that loss, we would not have ended up in the N.O. Bowl. Instead we would have played Temple in the New Mexico Bowl. Maybe we would have gotten blown out like Wyoming did, but we would have played them on a neutral field SDSU has played on more than a dozen times. True, and I don't want this to turn into a Hoke vs Rocky debate, because I have respect for both coaches. But remember, Hoke lost to Wyo in San Diego as well (in his 1st yr as HC here, just like Rocky), in a game he had absolutely no business losing. You and I can agree on that. I've always liked Rocky, even when he was at New Mexico. My problem comes with the HC position. I fear that this administration may slip back into the comfort zone of the Tollner and Craft era. And 6 or 7 wins a year ain't cuttin' it for me anymore. And we'll be luck to get that in the Big East, if there aren't significant strides. I expect more.
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 21, 2012 11:04:38 GMT -8
I love the 3 stooges.. Always finding ways n stats to try and make things look bad.. 8-4 regular season 8-5 overall.. I take it you were cheering during the 2-10 years and gettn beat 70-7.. I guess everyone wants to return to those days.. Y'all make me sick!
It took Fish and Co almost a decade.. Maybe more and now We are the premiere team out west.. But y'all are prolly the same people demanding him being fired one minute to kissn his tushy now!
How about we be thankful for another bowl, eight win season, some national award list guys, in the first year and let's see where it goes..
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 21, 2012 11:14:24 GMT -8
I expect more?? I project?? What are the winning lottery numbers? Please tell me cuz you obviously have every answer to every thing in the entire universe! It's amazing!! You truly have a gift.. Right along the lines of mrs Cleo, long island medium, whoopy in ghost!! And you wonder why ur getting scrutinized!! It has to be the optimism that just oozes from every one of your post!
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Post by k5james on Jul 21, 2012 11:22:12 GMT -8
8-4 in first year.. U arguing that? I'll "argue that." We were 8- 5. We were 1-5 against teams with winning records. The "one" was against Air Force, which finished 7-6. Does this kind of stat look familiar to anyone except me? Yeah, 2010...
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Post by myownwords on Jul 21, 2012 11:59:55 GMT -8
Points to consider, regarding recruiting: According to Rivals, Rocky's rankings at New Mexico his last 3 years were:
Rocky at New Mexico (Three years prior to this he averaged about the same) 2006 91 2007 101 2008 95 (Rocky quit before season ended)
New coach at New Mexico (lousy coach, but evidently a better recruiter)
2009 83 2010 80 2011 81 2012 83
SDSU under Hoke 2009 103 (took over for a fired Chuck Long) 2010 73 2011 60 (though Hoke left weeks before signing day)
First full year of Rocky's recruiting: 2012 97
You see the trend?
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 21, 2012 12:13:25 GMT -8
Yeah.. As I mentioned before a trend to find stats to bolster your weak ass arguments.. How about these apples
Scout 2010 77tied because had 27 commits 2011 93rd country
2012 72 with lesser commits and full year.
U see a trend
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Post by bschmurda on Jul 21, 2012 12:13:39 GMT -8
Points to consider, regarding recruiting: According to Rivals, Rocky's rankings at New Mexico his last 3 years were: Rocky at New Mexico (Three years prior to this he averaged about the same) 2006 91 2007 101 2008 95 (Rocky quit before season ended) New coach at New Mexico (lousy coach, but evidently a better recruiter) 2009 83 2010 80 2011 81 2012 83 SDSU under Hoke 2009 103 (took over for a fired Chuck Long) 2010 73 2011 60 (though Hoke left weeks before signing day) First full year of Rocky's recruiting: 2012 97 You see the trend? This is assuming Rivals rating are accurate
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 21, 2012 12:17:51 GMT -8
not to further bolster my argument of having so called 4-5 star cats that were recruited to new Mexico after rocky left.. And how are those guys fairing there?? Hook line sinker! Okay gotta go be relevant now, have fun.
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Post by k5james on Jul 21, 2012 12:18:04 GMT -8
Points to consider, regarding recruiting: According to Rivals, Rocky's rankings at New Mexico his last 3 years were: Rocky at New Mexico (Three years prior to this he averaged about the same) 2006 91 2007 101 2008 95 (Rocky quit before season ended) New coach at New Mexico (lousy coach, but evidently a better recruiter) 2009 83 2010 80 2011 81 2012 83 SDSU under Hoke 2009 103 (took over for a fired Chuck Long) 2010 73 2011 60 (though Hoke left weeks before signing day) First full year of Rocky's recruiting: 2012 97 You see the trend? Really? We've already had the discussion on Rivals' BS rating of our class last year how many times now? Scout had us at 72 247 had us at 75
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Post by myownwords on Jul 21, 2012 12:18:31 GMT -8
Points to consider, regarding recruiting: According to Rivals, Rocky's rankings at New Mexico his last 3 years were: Rocky at New Mexico (Three years prior to this he averaged about the same) 2006 91 2007 101 2008 95 (Rocky quit before season ended) New coach at New Mexico (lousy coach, but evidently a better recruiter) 2009 83 2010 80 2011 81 2012 83 SDSU under Hoke 2009 103 (took over for a fired Chuck Long) 2010 73 2011 60 (though Hoke left weeks before signing day) First full year of Rocky's recruiting: 2012 97 You see the trend? This is assuming Rivals data is accurate Of course, but it's the closest thing to "objective" that we have, yes? I mean as far as ranking the recruiting, they're probably close...in general. Certainly, no team with a 99 ranking will be confused with one at say, 24 for a season. It shows an average or generalization and reasonable expectation of coming performance.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 21, 2012 12:23:44 GMT -8
Points to consider, regarding recruiting: According to Rivals, Rocky's rankings at New Mexico his last 3 years were: Rocky at New Mexico (Three years prior to this he averaged about the same) 2006 91 2007 101 2008 95 (Rocky quit before season ended) New coach at New Mexico (lousy coach, but evidently a better recruiter) 2009 83 2010 80 2011 81 2012 83 SDSU under Hoke 2009 103 (took over for a fired Chuck Long) 2010 73 2011 60 (though Hoke left weeks before signing day) First full year of Rocky's recruiting: 2012 97 You see the trend? Really? We've already had the discussion on Rivals' BS rating of our class last year how many times now? Scout had us at 72 247 had us at 75 Yes we did and I understand your point. I suspect that those two may be closer to the truth, but who's to say? I was looking at relativity and comparisons using the same rating service for those comparisons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 13:13:11 GMT -8
Points to consider, regarding recruiting: According to Rivals, Rocky's rankings at New Mexico his last 3 years were: Rocky at New Mexico (Three years prior to this he averaged about the same) 2006 91 2007 101 2008 95 (Rocky quit before season ended) New coach at New Mexico (lousy coach, but evidently a better recruiter) 2009 83 2010 80 2011 81 2012 83 SDSU under Hoke 2009 103 (took over for a fired Chuck Long) 2010 73 2011 60 (though Hoke left weeks before signing day) First full year of Rocky's recruiting: 2012 97 You see the trend? Geezus H. Kuhryste! How many times do you have to be told that Rivals' 2012 ratings were dog crap? I'll answer my own question. An infinite number of times. Also, Mike Locklsley's recruits were the UNM version of Tom Craft. Rule #1 was this. Make your top priority the signing of the best football players. Rule #2 was there are no other rules, so if the kid is dumber than dirt, try to sneak him into school and enroll him in Basket Weaving 101, Archery, Ping-pong and Philosophy of Thumb Twiddling and then hope like hell he can pass them and retain his eligibility. I've been patient (Chuck) long enough. You must be either thick in the head or the world's biggest Rocky hater.
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Post by RockNFish on Jul 21, 2012 13:14:45 GMT -8
Yeah.. As I mentioned before a trend to find stats to bolster your weak ass arguments.. How about these apples Scout 2010 77tied because had 27 commits 2011 93rd country 2012 72 with lesser commits and full year. U see a trend Given that this is the only "objective" evidence - looks like we're heading towards a nationa championship!
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Post by myownwords on Jul 21, 2012 14:25:52 GMT -8
Points to consider, regarding recruiting: According to Rivals, Rocky's rankings at New Mexico his last 3 years were: Rocky at New Mexico (Three years prior to this he averaged about the same) 2006 91 2007 101 2008 95 (Rocky quit before season ended) New coach at New Mexico (lousy coach, but evidently a better recruiter) 2009 83 2010 80 2011 81 2012 83 SDSU under Hoke 2009 103 (took over for a fired Chuck Long) 2010 73 2011 60 (though Hoke left weeks before signing day) First full year of Rocky's recruiting: 2012 97 You see the trend? Geezus H. Kuhryste! How many times do you have to be told that Rivals' 2012 ratings were dog crap? I'll answer my own question. An infinite number of times. Also, Mike Locklsley's recruits were the UNM version of Tom Craft. Rule #1 was this. Make your top priority the signing of the best football players. Rule #2 was there are no other rules, so if the kid is dumber than dirt, try to sneak him into school and enroll him in Basket Weaving 101, Archery, Ping-pong and Philosophy of Thumb Twiddling and then hope like hell he can pass them and retain his eligibility. I've been patient (Chuck) long enough. You must be either thick in the head or the world's biggest Rocky hater. Sorry, I can not dismiss a valid national evaluation service as easily as you and James evidently do. And my ex-wife would say thick in the head, as opposed to a Rocky hater. In fact, I don't think I hate anyone, not even my ex.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jul 21, 2012 14:56:48 GMT -8
To be fair to both sides, no one should be using just one of the rating services as an example. A better way for us to compare this would be to take the average ranking from all of the major services.
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Post by ernieaztec on Jul 22, 2012 1:49:13 GMT -8
i hope next yr we will get in the 50s
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