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Post by coolethan on Mar 31, 2012 21:36:17 GMT -8
Bball>>Tom. Bball actually produces original thoughts, Tom just regurgitates a bunch of stuff he reads off of other websites (mainly ASR). Throw a "my sources told me" in & now you're a self-proclaimed insider. Do your thing BBA.
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Post by AztecTom on Mar 31, 2012 21:38:18 GMT -8
Bball>>Tom. Bball actually produces original thoughts, Tom just regurgitates a bunch of stuff he reads off of other websites (mainly ASR). Throw a "my sources told me" in & now you're a self-proclaimed insider. Do your thing BBA. Nice try ethan since I don't have a subscription to ASR. Like I have said, I have proven myself and having sources for years. Keep trolling bud! Troll on player
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 31, 2012 21:50:44 GMT -8
I don't necessarily agree with this because Jamaal got on everybody's radar THIS year. So if he has a lottery pick type of year, then it won't matter how far the team goes. He'll get his. True but lets say SDSU had performed well enough to advance to the Final Four this year. Jamaal would be considered for the lottery right now. The only reason Jeremy Lamb is so highly touted is because of how well UCONN did last year to go along with his stellar contributions. Jamaal had a better year on a better team than Jeremy Lamb this year but Lambs stock is protected by last years team success to go along with his good performance.... So no matter how high Jamaal's stock rises next year, he'll be benefiting from the teams wins this year that helped put him on the map. He'd have to completely tank it next year to not be considered in the 1st rd. It sounds like you're agreeing with me. I think. Jamaal is "protected" from here on out because this year he got on the radar. Once you're on the radar, people won't forget about you. They'll keep track of you. So like I said, even if we don't go far next year as a team, Jamaal will still get drafted where he should based on his individual accomplishments.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Mar 31, 2012 22:03:05 GMT -8
True but lets say SDSU had performed well enough to advance to the Final Four this year. Jamaal would be considered for the lottery right now. The only reason Jeremy Lamb is so highly touted is because of how well UCONN did last year to go along with his stellar contributions. Jamaal had a better year on a better team than Jeremy Lamb this year but Lambs stock is protected by last years team success to go along with his good performance.... So no matter how high Jamaal's stock rises next year, he'll be benefiting from the teams wins this year that helped put him on the map. He'd have to completely tank it next year to not be considered in the 1st rd. It sounds like you're agreeing with me. I think. Jamaal is "protected" from here on out because this year he got on the radar. Once you're on the radar, people won't forget about you. They'll keep track of you. So like I said, even if we don't go far next year as a team, Jamaal will still get drafted where he should based on his individual accomplishments. This is true. He won't fall out of the 1st rd. However, playing on a Final Four team could easily boost him into lottery consideration because he'll have a larger platform on which to impress scouts who heavily weigh their opinions of players on NCAA tournament performance. The same is true for every potential NBA prospect.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 31, 2012 22:08:18 GMT -8
It sounds like you're agreeing with me. I think. Jamaal is "protected" from here on out because this year he got on the radar. Once you're on the radar, people won't forget about you. They'll keep track of you. So like I said, even if we don't go far next year as a team, Jamaal will still get drafted where he should based on his individual accomplishments. This is true. He won't fall out of the 1st rd. However, playing on a Final Four team could easily boost him into lottery consideration because he'll have a larger platform on which to impress scouts who heavily weigh their opinions of players on NCAA tournament performance. The same is true for every potential NBA prospect. I agree with you that it could catipult him into the lottery if he went off in the final four against great competion.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Mar 31, 2012 22:16:47 GMT -8
Bball>>Tom. Bball actually produces original thoughts, Tom just regurgitates a bunch of stuff he reads off of other websites (mainly ASR). Throw a "my sources told me" in & now you're a self-proclaimed insider. Do your thing BBA. Nice try ethan since I don't have a subscription to ASR. Like I have said, I have proven myself and having sources for years. Keep trolling bud! Troll on player Tom relies on sources to tell him what to think because he lacks the capacity to form original opinions from a rational mind. He's comfortable going with the majority and will quickly jump ship if someone becomes hot news. He'll turn from a badger to a supporter in the blink of an eye. He says "No chance" today but a year from now you'll see a "Congrats on being drafted in the lottery Jamaal, you deserve it!" From our very own Aztec Tom. You gotta love the guy.
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Post by AztecTom on Mar 31, 2012 22:23:58 GMT -8
Nice try ethan since I don't have a subscription to ASR. Like I have said, I have proven myself and having sources for years. Keep trolling bud! Troll on player Tom relies on sources to tell him what to think because he lacks the capacity to form original opinions from a rational mind. He's comfortable going with the majority and will quickly jump ship if someone becomes hot news. He'll turn from a badger to a supporter in the blink of an eye. He says "No chance" today but a year from now you'll see a "Congrats on being drafted in the lottery Jamaal, you deserve it!" From our very own Aztec Tom. You gotta love the guy. Troll on with ethan player!
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Post by Azthetic on Mar 31, 2012 23:06:15 GMT -8
I voted NO only because he is going lottery THIS year! Believe that.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Mar 31, 2012 23:11:31 GMT -8
Marshon Brooks had some amazing workouts and he still dropped to the bottom of the 1st Rd. Once scouts have their minds made up about who's who, its very hard to change their minds. Jamaal would have a chance at the end of the 1st rd, but lottery just isn't realistic this year. Next year it's pretty close to guaranteed considering how good the team will be.
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Post by danloc09 on Mar 31, 2012 23:35:45 GMT -8
Guys I'm facebook friends with Zuma
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Post by AztecTom on Apr 1, 2012 0:07:59 GMT -8
Guys I'm facebook friends with Zuma LMFAO!!! Wow, that's bad ass and im jealous. Ask him for us why he got $#!+ canned.
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Post by enolt08 on Apr 1, 2012 0:39:54 GMT -8
Does anybody realize how hard it is to get into the NBA?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Apr 1, 2012 6:01:14 GMT -8
Does anybody realize how hard it is to get into the NBA? Extremely hard for the average player. But when you're one of the best and you're on the NBA radar, its quite easy.
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Post by nonpostpete on Apr 1, 2012 10:51:18 GMT -8
It is a great goal for Jamaal to strive to become worthy of a lottery pick in the NBA Draft. He has enough size for an NBA SG and he has enough athleticism. Physically, he obviously needs to continue working on his outside shot and his ball-handling, as those skills are not currently NBA 2G caliber. Mentally, he needs to continue developing his decision making skills.
Jamaal has come a long way in a short time. It will be fun to watch how far he can take his game development.
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Post by bearfoot on Apr 1, 2012 11:31:06 GMT -8
Size and athleticism are definitely not an issue.. and JF being drafted in the first round or the lottery is not crazy talk by any means. I'm starting to question if some of people on this board watch or have even played basketball before.. I think people on this forum follow basketball very closely and for the most part have respectable basketball knowledge, but they're just not used to seeing NBA talent at San Diego State... so automatically they assume the nations recognizable elite are always going to be better than the talent at their own school. This is evident in the recent idolization of SDSU alumnist Kawhi Leonard who was good enough (not great) to get drafted 1 pick outside of the lottery. He's being labeled the best Aztec player ever even though he's not considered NBA All Star material just yet. To suggest that Jamaal's talent is superior to Kawhi's is considered blasphemy to the average Aztecmesa poster even though Jamaal has arguably superior individual accomplishments up to this point in their respective college careers. If Jamaal had a North Carolina jersey on and averaged 20/10 in the ACC and was named POY and All American, these very same fans would have a completely different opinion of the exact same skill set. The general bias of how most fans and scouts judge talent exist even with how we judge our own players. First, M cage was the best. You had to see him to understand how great he was. So there goes that straw man. Second, it make very little sense to different player's stats who played on different teams. (There goes another) Third, JF would could get up to 10 minutes a game at UNC, so your supposition that JF would get 20/10 has no basis. Finally, and perhaps most germane to this topic, as Ziegler pointed out, if Coach's bench was half as deep this season as it will be next, JF would have been benched right after some of those gigantic brain farts. He got to play about 35 minutes a game because there was no bench. As you posted a long time ago, give JF lots of floor time and he will produce. You were right, and he did cut down on his bonehead plays as the season rolled along, but he still had his moments right up to the end. As for his spot in next season's draft, if he improves his ball handling (learns how to use his left hand) and improves his jumper as much as he did last summer, he has a chance to be drafted. Back to my "finally" point. He will be competing with several great players next season, and MUST learn to skip the bonehead moments, and lay off the refs.
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Post by danloc09 on Apr 1, 2012 11:38:10 GMT -8
This thread is so damn hilarious. I don't even think Jamaal has ONE NBA ready skill right now. He scores, but not efficiently, he's an okay rebounder, but that's a luxury for a guard. He's a decent defender, not great, gets lost off ball too much. He doesn't take care of the ball well enough. Could he improve enough to make the league someday? Sure. But he wouldn't be drafted right now, and that's not just me saying that, that's every credible draft site around. To say he's not even in the top 100 prospects because he lost in the first round is silly.
Jamaal is a really good college player, why can't we just enjoy that?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Apr 1, 2012 12:17:41 GMT -8
This thread is so damn hilarious. I don't even think Jamaal has ONE NBA ready skill right now. He scores, but not efficiently, he's an okay rebounder, but that's a luxury for a guard. He's a decent defender, not great, gets lost off ball too much. He doesn't take care of the ball well enough. Could he improve enough to make the league someday? Sure. But he wouldn't be drafted right now, and that's not just me saying that, that's every credible draft site around. To say he's not even in the top 100 prospects because he lost in the first round is silly. Jamaal is a really good college player, why can't we just enjoy that? Not efficient shooting? 46% FG as a starter. Lead all MWC guards. 88% FT, lead conference in attempts. Led team in rebounds as a guard rebounding against post players. NBA Athleticism, clutch gene, hustle factor.... Draft Express doesn't have in the top 100 but NBAdraft.net has in in the top 50.
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Post by danloc09 on Apr 1, 2012 12:22:53 GMT -8
I said credible. And he's 56 on that site.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Apr 1, 2012 13:03:48 GMT -8
I said credible. And he's 56 on that site. Who determines the credibility of draft boards?
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Post by danloc09 on Apr 1, 2012 13:29:06 GMT -8
I think experience and general opinion, but you're right, you can use that site if you want, it's personal preference. In my experience DraftExpress has been the best, but maybe that's just me.
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