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Post by aztecx on Sept 18, 2009 12:29:33 GMT -8
If the kids play like they did the first two games, we should win. They made mistakes, but played hard the entire games. The points about the new offense and new defense are well made and should be considered. We are deeper this year than last and should be able to handle Idaho. As they say, we still must play the game. Last year (according to some Aztectalkers), it wasn't about the kids. It was about the Coach and staff getting them ready. I would assume that the same would hold true for this staff. After all, they are a "PROFESSIONAL STAFF", according to SGF. If they truly are, we should go up to Idaho and bounce these guys by 14 (and should win by 20) or more. No Excuses!!!! Steve, we all know you opinion of Chuck Long as head coach. What was your opinion of Elliott and Miller? Personally, I think the coordinators were the weakest part of the team. That and there seemed to be games where the players did not give 100% all the time. Just interested in your thoughts. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 18, 2009 13:01:33 GMT -8
I just don't think this year's team will lose self respect..... it appeared like last year's team did on a couple occasions. I would say losing to a team that you beat the previous year by 30 would mean that they have lost something......If not respect. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 18, 2009 13:02:24 GMT -8
Last year (according to some Aztectalkers), it wasn't about the kids. It was about the Coach and staff getting them ready. I would assume that the same would hold true for this staff. After all, they are a "PROFESSIONAL STAFF", according to SGF. If they truly are, we should go up to Idaho and bounce these guys by 14 (and should win by 20) or more. No Excuses!!!! I don't want to get into talking about something that we can never settle. I have yet to see any "giveup" in this team. The rest will remain unsaid. We saw it in the 4th quarter of the Southern Utah game. Lets hope we don't this weekend. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 18, 2009 13:11:52 GMT -8
Last year (according to some Aztectalkers), it wasn't about the kids. It was about the Coach and staff getting them ready. I would assume that the same would hold true for this staff. After all, they are a "PROFESSIONAL STAFF", according to SGF. If they truly are, we should go up to Idaho and bounce these guys by 14 (and should win by 20) or more. No Excuses!!!! Steve, we all know you opinion of Chuck Long as head coach. What was your opinion of Elliott and Miller? Personally, I think the coordinators were the weakest part of the team. That and there seemed to be games where the players did not give 100% all the time. Just interested in your thoughts. I'm not sure fans DO understand my opinion on Chuck Long. I think he was a bad head coach and a bad motivater.....but he was learning on the job and we signed him to turn around a program in 5 years. He was let go 2 years early. There is no way he could show that he could turn it around in 3 years (which was really 2 years because of the injuries last year) We signed him, knowing he had no experience and then fire him after 3 years (really 2), because he didn't know what he was doing? ____________________________________________________ I think Del Miller was way past his prime, but I also think it was a philosophy difference that made Aztec fans so pissed at him. He is much more conservative than Aztec fans would like to see. I would have been ok with Long getting rid of Miller though and bringing in a younger OC. Still it is real hard for me to judge Del Miller because... -His offensive had no offensive line. Thank you Tom Craft. -He had a frosh QB. -He had a fairly inexperienced receiving corps, with one of its top receivers actually a QB. -He had 4 pretty good "back up" running back, and no one in the backfield that I would call starting material. With all that, I'm not sure what fans expected to see. ____________________________________________________ Bob Elliot... I'm not sure what to think about him either. -His defensive line had 9 players out for most of the season, which ruined any chance to show what type of D. he had. -He was diagnosed with cancer. I'm not even sure how he was able to do his job. I also would not have been disappointed if Elliot went and I think he would have been gone (mostly because of his cancer) if Chuck Long had stayed. ____________________________________________________ In one way, I think Del Miller and Elliot were past their primes and burnt out on coaching. On the other hand, they both had very little to work with last year. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 18, 2009 14:18:20 GMT -8
I don't want to get into talking about something that we can never settle. I have yet to see any "giveup" in this team. The rest will remain unsaid. We saw it in the 4th quarter of the Southern Utah game. Lets hope we don't this weekend. I completely disagree. There were blown assignments, but no give up! |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 18, 2009 17:45:49 GMT -8
We saw it in the 4th quarter of the Southern Utah game. Lets hope we don't this weekend. I completely disagree. There were blown assignments, but no give up! Fair enough. We won't see any give up this weekend. I am sure of that. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 19, 2009 15:36:22 GMT -8
Man I hate losing, especially to Idaho. Are you kidding me? But I have to admit that I am bummed, but laughing my ass off reading the game thread on the "Ayatollah Board". NTU, who told me all last year that if the players are doing it on the field, that is a coaching problem. It is all on the coaching. CHUCK LONG MUST GO!!!! I feel out of my chair when I just looked at the Game Thread and here is what NTU said... ___________________________________________________ Copied and paste from Aztectalk.com Well, at least now we know.........new year, same 'ol Aztecs........ ___________________________________________________ And then he says.... Overall, I'm pretty disgusted in the lack of effort shown by this team, and that's entirely on the players. It looks like Hoke and Co. is going to have to consider a serious house cleaning. These guys just don't seem to want to be there. ____________________________________________________ Ohhhh I see......NOW its not the coaching.....ITS THE PLAYERS......Ohhhh Myyyyyy  |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 19, 2009 16:39:33 GMT -8
Man I hate losing, especially to Idaho. Are you kidding me? But I have to admit that I am bummed, but laughing my ass off reading the game thread on the "Ayatollah Board". NTU, who told me all last year that if the players are doing it on the field, that is a coaching problem. It is all on the coaching. CHUCK LONG MUST GO!!!! I feel out of my chair when I just looked at the Game Thread and here is what NTU said... ___________________________________________________ Copied and paste from Aztectalk.com Well, at least now we know.........new year, same 'ol Aztecs........ ___________________________________________________ And then he says.... Overall, I'm pretty disgusted in the lack of effort shown by this team, and that's entirely on the players. It looks like Hoke and Co. is going to have to consider a serious house cleaning. These guys just don't seem to want to be there. ____________________________________________________ Ohhhh I see......NOW its not the coaching.....ITS THE PLAYERS......Ohhhh Myyyyyy I'm not ready to give up on Brady Hoke. At this point that attitude would be ridiculous. But reality has set in. It's clear that this team, while not completely devoid of talent, does not yet have enough outstanding players to challenge the elite teams in our conference. Now, if Idaho goes on to win 7 regular season games and is invited to a bowl, maybe we can re-evaluate this loss. I'm not holding my breath on that one, though. However, if Idaho proves to be nothing more than a mildly improved team in a mediocre conference, then we will have to admit that San Diego State football has miles to go, as the poem says. Many miles to go. We simply must think in terms of a three or four year rebuilding process. The trouble is, that's where we were in 2002 and 2006. AzWm |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 19, 2009 16:53:04 GMT -8
Man I hate losing, especially to Idaho. Are you kidding me? But I have to admit that I am bummed, but laughing my ass off reading the game thread on the "Ayatollah Board". NTU, who told me all last year that if the players are doing it on the field, that is a coaching problem. It is all on the coaching. CHUCK LONG MUST GO!!!! I feel out of my chair when I just looked at the Game Thread and here is what NTU said... ___________________________________________________ Copied and paste from Aztectalk.com Well, at least now we know.........new year, same 'ol Aztecs........ ___________________________________________________ And then he says.... Overall, I'm pretty disgusted in the lack of effort shown by this team, and that's entirely on the players. It looks like Hoke and Co. is going to have to consider a serious house cleaning. These guys just don't seem to want to be there. ____________________________________________________ Ohhhh I see......NOW its not the coaching.....ITS THE PLAYERS......Ohhhh Myyyyyy Steve, nobody last year claimed there was a vast amount of talent on the team. Get over it. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 19, 2009 17:03:24 GMT -8
I don't think Lindley's comfortable with the new offense yet, but I have to wonder exactly when he injured his hand. Was it just before he was pulled or did he try to play through it. He looked sharper in the 2nd half. Still not great, but his passes looked crisper after he got treated at halftime.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 19, 2009 17:05:29 GMT -8
No turnovers by Idaho and two missed interceptions in the second quarter was the difference in this game. A "freebie" TD to start the game really, really hurt the cause. Add in all kinds of pass interference penalties and you are not going to beat many teams. Pretty much the "same ol", "same ol" to me.
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 19, 2009 18:16:39 GMT -8
Man I hate losing, especially to Idaho. Are you kidding me? But I have to admit that I am bummed, but laughing my ass off reading the game thread on the "Ayatollah Board". NTU, who told me all last year that if the players are doing it on the field, that is a coaching problem. It is all on the coaching. CHUCK LONG MUST GO!!!! I feel out of my chair when I just looked at the Game Thread and here is what NTU said... ___________________________________________________ Copied and paste from Aztectalk.com Well, at least now we know.........new year, same 'ol Aztecs........ ___________________________________________________ And then he says.... Overall, I'm pretty disgusted in the lack of effort shown by this team, and that's entirely on the players. It looks like Hoke and Co. is going to have to consider a serious house cleaning. These guys just don't seem to want to be there. ____________________________________________________ Ohhhh I see......NOW its not the coaching.....ITS THE PLAYERS......Ohhhh Myyyyyy I'm not ready to give up on Brady Hoke. At this point that attitude would be ridiculous. But reality has set in. It's clear that this team, while not completely devoid of talent, does not yet have enough outstanding players to challenge the elite teams in our conference. Now, if Idaho goes on to win 7 regular season games and is invited to a bowl, maybe we can re-evaluate this loss. I'm not holding my breath on that one, though. However, if Idaho proves to be nothing more than a mildly improved team in a mediocre conference, then we will have to admit that San Diego State football has miles to go, as the poem says. Many miles to go. We simply must think in terms of a three or four year rebuilding process. The trouble is, that's where we were in 2002 and 2006. AzWm I'm not giving up on Brady Hoke at all. But he was a "lateral" hire. If we were going to make a change, we needed to hire a big name like Bowden. I just find it amusing....in fact laughable...in fact I've never got more of a laugh in my life reading that thread on the "Ayatollah Board". I saw so many familiar names that slammed the hell out of me for explaining to them that everything wasn't Longs fault last year... And now to read them crying about the same things I told them about and they are happening to Brady Hoke....their savior. Some of the comments were just the silliest things I've ever read. Hey.....Chuck Long was not allowed any excuses.....NEITHER IS THE NEW STAFF!!!!! |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 19, 2009 18:18:32 GMT -8
Man I hate losing, especially to Idaho. Are you kidding me? But I have to admit that I am bummed, but laughing my ass off reading the game thread on the "Ayatollah Board". NTU, who told me all last year that if the players are doing it on the field, that is a coaching problem. It is all on the coaching. CHUCK LONG MUST GO!!!! I feel out of my chair when I just looked at the Game Thread and here is what NTU said... ___________________________________________________ Copied and paste from Aztectalk.com Well, at least now we know.........new year, same 'ol Aztecs........ ___________________________________________________ And then he says.... Overall, I'm pretty disgusted in the lack of effort shown by this team, and that's entirely on the players. It looks like Hoke and Co. is going to have to consider a serious house cleaning. These guys just don't seem to want to be there. ____________________________________________________ Ohhhh I see......NOW its not the coaching.....ITS THE PLAYERS......Ohhhh Myyyyyy Steve, nobody last year claimed there was a vast amount of talent on the team. Get over it. =Bob True =Bob.....But it is the same talent. The only thing that has changed was the staff. And the former staff beat that same team by 30. Hey =Bob......I wonder what todays final score would have been if we had 8 Defensive Lineman injured and not suited up? Maybe......60-20? |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 19, 2009 18:21:59 GMT -8
No turnovers by Idaho and two missed interceptions in the second quarter was the difference in this game. A "freebie" TD to start the game really, really hurt the cause. Add in all kinds of pass interference penalties and you are not going to beat many teams. Pretty much the "same ol", "same ol" to me. No excuses. Why didn't the team cause turnovers....Coaching? Why didn't the team intercept a pass?.....Defensive Coach inept? Who is the QB Coach? Hasn't he taught Lindley anything about throwing passes to the sidelines that can get picked off for TD's. That didn't happen with the last staff? Penalties? Where was the discipline? The last staff was called on it? Why not this one? Hey sdsuaztecs, I'm not trying to dog you, but these are all things I heard last year as to why Chuck Long HAD to be fired. No more excuses. What is good for one staff, is good for the new staff. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 19, 2009 20:00:30 GMT -8
This team needs a "W" against AF but won't get it. A "W" against New Mexico State will be critical to the rest of the season. A loss against the Aggies and we can start planning for the 2010 season.
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 19, 2009 20:39:34 GMT -8
I think we will beat the Aggies at home. That will make us 2-3.
We have to get at least 3 wins in conf.
All joking aside....I think Long would have won 5 games with this schedule.
We need at least 5 or I can't see it as a year of progress. I could maybe live with 4.
Three would be unacceptable.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 19, 2009 21:16:49 GMT -8
I think we will beat the Aggies at home. That will make us 2-3. We have to get at least 3 wins in conf. All joking aside....I think Long would have won 5 games with this schedule. We need at least 5 or I can't see it as a year of progress. I could maybe live with 4. Three would be unacceptable. We will, of course, never know that for sure. It's hard to imagine a Chuck Long team looking worse against Idaho than it did today. Well, maybe imaginable but not likely. I think we have to understand that 2009 is not so much about wins and losses as it is about improvement and building for the future. I have made statements contrary to that in the past, and with reason; namely, you just have to win a few games or your fan base will disappear almost completely. So, yes, we have to win some games. I would say a bare minimum to maintain at least the appearance of progress would be 4 victories. That means beating New Mexico St. and at least two in conference. Yes, I know, after today many of us are wondering whether we can win more than one MWC game this year. It's a legitimate concern, but I think Ws against Wyo and NMU are possible. Any road victory would be gravy. So, no, the ultimate test this year is not wins and losses, despite the fact that the Aztecs had better win a few more just to keep their heads above water. No, even more important than wins is to prevent the kind of embarrassment that took place in Moscow, Idaho this afternoon. No more inept performances, please! By the UNLV game we must look like the makings of a team that is going to win a lot in the future even if it can't win a lot this year. If the week to week improvement that I hope for does not take place, Hoke and company are not going to able to recruit players much if any better than the ones who made a laughing stock of our university today. Let the improvement become evident against AFA! AzWm |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 19, 2009 21:20:30 GMT -8
I just looked up the last 4 meeting Rocky Long had with Air Force.
His defense did not do bad against them. One year they gave up 45 points, but the other 3 years they held Air Force to about 24 points a game.
Lets hope we can score some points that day.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 20, 2009 9:23:53 GMT -8
True =Bob.....But it is the same talent. The only thing that has changed was the staff. And the former staff beat that same team by 30. Not the same team for Idaho, in particular the RB from Wazoo. Long would have gotten killed yesterday because Idaho's ground game would have accomplished much more against that crap defense of Elliot's. =Bob |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 20, 2009 11:52:09 GMT -8
True =Bob.....But it is the same talent. The only thing that has changed was the staff. And the former staff beat that same team by 30. Not the same team for Idaho, in particular the RB from Wazoo. Long would have gotten killed yesterday because Idaho's ground game would have accomplished much more against that crap defense of Miller's. =Bob =Bob....What would the score have been yesterday if Rocky Long had 8 Defensive Lineman out with injuries....60-20 Idaho?.......78-20 Idaho?? (2nd request on this question) By the way....Del Miller was the offensive coordinator last year, not defense. |
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