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Post by steveaztec on Sept 17, 2009 8:55:49 GMT -8
I believe many Aztec fans were saying last year...."No More Excuses".
If we truly are not going to use anymore excuses (like injuries-9 at one position)....there would be no excuse for us to not beat Idaho by 25 or more.
We have a deeper team than last year.....We don't have any injuries....We have a better head coach than last year....We have a better staff than last year...our entire team (which was very young last year) has one more year of experience.
(According to some on Aztectalk) We got rid of the worst coach in NCAA History...And the worst staff in history....A coach that had no game plan and couldn't call plays....A coach that couldn't motivate...A coach that had lost his players....A coach that his players would not listen to him (And I'm sure some Aztec fans, or at least two I know of, think Chuck Long was probably a mass murderer too).
With all of those changes, you mean to tell me that those same Aztec fan who wanted to literally hang Chuck Long and fire him at half time of his first game against UTEP 3 years ago.....Are going to accept...
Eeeking out a victory or losing to Idaho, a team that Chuck Long (with all his downfalls listed above) beat by 30 points?
With the Chuck Long staff being so pathetic and this new staff being (SGF's words).....A "PROFESSIONAL STAFF"......Why would you accept anything less than a 20-25 point victory Saturday.
Unless........OOps, everybody got mad at me on the other board for saying the LH word.......you were just a "Long Hater".
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Hey, I love Brady Hoke. In fact, I met him last night for the first time and talked to him. Great guy. Stand up guy.......
But I took a lot of heat (and was censored by the Ayatollah of Aztectalk) for NOT agreeing with all of you that Chuck Long was a mass murderer and the blame for everything in the Aztec program.
25 point win Saturday....NO EXCUSES!!!!
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 17, 2009 11:00:00 GMT -8
I believe many Aztec fans were saying last year...."No More Excuses". If we truly are not going to use anymore excuses (like injuries-9 at one position)....there would be no excuse for us to not beat Idaho by 25 or more. We have a deeper team than last year.....We don't have any injuries....We have a better head coach than last year....We have a better staff than last year...our entire team (which was very young last year) has one more year of experience. (According to some on Aztectalk) We got rid of the worst coach in NCAA History...And the worst staff in history....A coach that had no game plan and couldn't call plays....A coach that couldn't motivate...A coach that had lost his players....A coach that his players would not listen to him (And I'm sure some Aztec fans, or at least two I know of, think Chuck Long was probably a mass murderer too). With all of those changes, you mean to tell me that those same Aztec fan who wanted to literally hang Chuck Long and fire him at half time of his first game against UTEP 3 years ago.....Are going to accept... Eeeking out a victory or losing to Idaho, a team that Chuck Long (with all his downfalls listed above) beat by 30 points? With the Chuck Long staff being so pathetic and this new staff being (SGF's words).....A "PROFESSIONAL STAFF"......Why would you accept anything less than a 20-25 point victory Saturday. Unless........OOps, everybody got mad at me on the other board for saying the LH word.......you were just a "Long Hater". ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hey, I love Brady Hoke. In fact, I met him last night for the first time and talked to him. Great guy. Stand up guy....... But I took a lot of heat (and was censored by the Ayatollah of Aztectalk) for NOT agreeing with all of you that Chuck Long was a mass murderer and the blame for everything in the Aztec program. 25 point win Saturday....NO EXCUSES!!!! Steve, I for one will take a 3-point win.....or even a last minute field goal to win by 1!! baby steps. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 17, 2009 12:00:38 GMT -8
Ohhh, a win is a win for me. I will take a 1 point win.
But my question is to Long Haters? How will they justify (in their own warped agenda driven minds) a 1 point win by Hoke.......when Coach Long beat the same team one year ago by close to 30?
I am laughing my ass off as I type from lurking/reading Aztectalk, where a group of "Long Haters" are making up more excuses as to why this game is tough. How can they type that stuff with a straight face.
Chuck Long beat them by 30 and we are better, deeper, and injury free this year, with a "PROFESSIONAL STAFF" (according to SGF).
Embarrassing flip flop by "Long Haters".
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 17, 2009 13:43:32 GMT -8
A win, even if by a point, is vital this Saturday. But I surely hope we dominate. That would give the team a boost as if prepares for the AFA.
AzWm
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Post by aztecx on Sept 17, 2009 15:23:19 GMT -8
I believe many Aztec fans were saying last year...."No More Excuses". If we truly are not going to use anymore excuses (like injuries-9 at one position)....there would be no excuse for us to not beat Idaho by 25 or more. We have a deeper team than last year.....We don't have any injuries....We have a better head coach than last year....We have a better staff than last year...our entire team (which was very young last year) has one more year of experience. (According to some on Aztectalk) We got rid of the worst coach in NCAA History...And the worst staff in history....A coach that had no game plan and couldn't call plays....A coach that couldn't motivate...A coach that had lost his players....A coach that his players would not listen to him (And I'm sure some Aztec fans, or at least two I know of, think Chuck Long was probably a mass murderer too). With all of those changes, you mean to tell me that those same Aztec fan who wanted to literally hang Chuck Long and fire him at half time of his first game against UTEP 3 years ago.....Are going to accept... Eeeking out a victory or losing to Idaho, a team that Chuck Long (with all his downfalls listed above) beat by 30 points? With the Chuck Long staff being so pathetic and this new staff being (SGF's words).....A "PROFESSIONAL STAFF"......Why would you accept anything less than a 20-25 point victory Saturday. Unless........OOps, everybody got mad at me on the other board for saying the LH word.......you were just a "Long Hater". ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hey, I love Brady Hoke. In fact, I met him last night for the first time and talked to him. Great guy. Stand up guy....... But I took a lot of heat (and was censored by the Ayatollah of Aztectalk) for NOT agreeing with all of you that Chuck Long was a mass murderer and the blame for everything in the Aztec program. 25 point win Saturday....NO EXCUSES!!!! The problem is that this is year 1 of a new coaching staff. New offense. New Defense. The offense we are using is completely different from the spread we used last year. It will take time to turn the team into a power team from a finesse team. On defense, we are completely changing the system and going to the 3-3-5 that everyone says take time to get the hang of. For that reason, the defense will struggle at times this year. Comparing a coaching staff in game 3 as opposed to YEAR 3 is nonsense. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 17, 2009 18:00:07 GMT -8
I believe many Aztec fans were saying last year...."No More Excuses". If we truly are not going to use anymore excuses (like injuries-9 at one position)....there would be no excuse for us to not beat Idaho by 25 or more. We have a deeper team than last year.....We don't have any injuries....We have a better head coach than last year....We have a better staff than last year...our entire team (which was very young last year) has one more year of experience. (According to some on Aztectalk) We got rid of the worst coach in NCAA History...And the worst staff in history....A coach that had no game plan and couldn't call plays....A coach that couldn't motivate...A coach that had lost his players....A coach that his players would not listen to him (And I'm sure some Aztec fans, or at least two I know of, think Chuck Long was probably a mass murderer too). With all of those changes, you mean to tell me that those same Aztec fan who wanted to literally hang Chuck Long and fire him at half time of his first game against UTEP 3 years ago.....Are going to accept... Eeeking out a victory or losing to Idaho, a team that Chuck Long (with all his downfalls listed above) beat by 30 points? With the Chuck Long staff being so pathetic and this new staff being (SGF's words).....A "PROFESSIONAL STAFF"......Why would you accept anything less than a 20-25 point victory Saturday. Unless........OOps, everybody got mad at me on the other board for saying the LH word.......you were just a "Long Hater". ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hey, I love Brady Hoke. In fact, I met him last night for the first time and talked to him. Great guy. Stand up guy....... But I took a lot of heat (and was censored by the Ayatollah of Aztectalk) for NOT agreeing with all of you that Chuck Long was a mass murderer and the blame for everything in the Aztec program. 25 point win Saturday....NO EXCUSES!!!! The problem is that this is year 1 of a new coaching staff. New offense. New Defense. The offense we are using is completely different from the spread we used last year. It will take time to turn the team into a power team from a finesse team. On defense, we are completely changing the system and going to the 3-3-5 that everyone says take time to get the hang of. For that reason, the defense will struggle at times this year. Comparing a coaching staff in game 3 as opposed to YEAR 3 is nonsense. By paragraph... 1. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 2. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 3. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 4. I 100% agree. I told Long Haters they were crazy for saying that Chuck Long needed to go after his first game against UTEP in his first year. No coach (unless he does something illegal) should be judged until sometime during his 4th year after taking over a program as bad as ours. |
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Post by aztecx on Sept 17, 2009 19:23:31 GMT -8
By paragraph... 1. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 2. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 3. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 4. I 100% agree. I told Long Haters they were crazy for saying that Chuck Long needed to go after his first game against UTEP in his first year. No coach (unless he does something illegal) should be judged until sometime during his 4th year after taking over a program as bad as ours. Steve I don't understand what you mean in 1, 2 and 3 |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 17, 2009 20:19:23 GMT -8
By paragraph... 1. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 2. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 3. I agree and mentioned that last year if we made a change with Long. Long Haters laughed and scoffed at me saying I was wrong. 4. I 100% agree. I told Long Haters they were crazy for saying that Chuck Long needed to go after his first game against UTEP in his first year. No coach (unless he does something illegal) should be judged until sometime during his 4th year after taking over a program as bad as ours. Steve I don't understand what you mean in 1, 2 and 3 I'm sorry. I confuse some with that. I was taking your paragraphs by numbers... Answer to paragraph #1... Answer to paragraph #1...etc. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 17, 2009 21:31:51 GMT -8
For me Steve, I'm still not sold on the fact that Long's O'line recruits are all that. So I'm still worried about the all important trenches. They seem a little shaky. Hopefully, they'll come around starting with the Idaho game!!! So you can have 1 more year of experience, but if those players with that extra year of experience on the lines don't have much talent, then experience won't matter much.
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 17, 2009 21:45:48 GMT -8
I understand.
Here is my take on them. There are 16 or 17 in the frosh/soph class. Hoke is going to bring in more, and hopfefully (as you and I agree on), some big bruising JC O Lineman that will make a difference.
I never expected all 17 of Longs OLine recruits to make it big. I think he got the best he could and in quantity because that is the spot he needed to fill the most.
If we can get 8 of those 17 to contribute, it was an outstanding job of recruiting.
In the two deep alone this year, we already have some players who are contribuing very well including...
-Tommie Draheim----Soph Left Tackle.
-Mike Matumua----Soph Left Guard.
-Alec Johnson----Soph Left Guard.
-Trask Iosefa---Junior Center (I think he was also a Long).
-Emilio Rivera----Soph Right Guard.
-Kurtis Gunther---Soph Right tackle.
***Brian Millholland, who is out for the year and the player Chuck Long thought would make the most impact the quickest of all OLine recruites.
So we are already getting good production out of 7 of them.....especially since most are still only sophs and a couple of redshirt frosh.
If Hoke can add he own special touch to that group, we will be ok in that area for the next 4-5 years.
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 17, 2009 21:47:15 GMT -8
For me Steve, I'm still not sold on the fact that Long's O'line recruits are all that. So I'm still worried about the all important trenches. They seem a little shaky. Hopefully, they'll come around starting with the Idaho game!!! So you can have 1 more year of experience, but if those players with that extra year of experience on the lines don't have much talent, then experience won't matter much. According to Brady Hoke last night at ClaimJumpers, the frosh/soph class of Olineman that Chuck Long recruited do have potential and are good athletes with upside. I asked him the question myself. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 18, 2009 7:45:22 GMT -8
The problem we have had with this program is that every coach since Gilbert has not been given the time to build 'his' team. The exception was Tollner. Every new head coach has his own system and must implement it with the players from the previous regime. Some had initial success (Stoltz, Lugenbill) while the others didn't and paid for it. Long wasn't left much by Craft and couldn't rebuild fast enough. Hoke will now benefit from the O-Line that was recruited by Long. Long was also hampered by the fact that he was learning on the job as he had never been a head coach before. If he had inherited a successful program he could have gotten away with it. He didn't and paid the price.
I believe that this program, SDSU Football, is out of excuses and out of time. An experienced head coach should have been hired instead of Craft and instead of Long. Now that we are seven years removed from Tollner and in a poor economic environment, there is only time for success. If Hoke cannot pull it off then I think major college football is dead in San Diego.
I also have met him and believe that the 'Sleeping Giant' might finally awake.
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Post by aztecx on Sept 18, 2009 7:47:22 GMT -8
Steve,
My point is that you saying we should win by 25. If we beat Idaho last year by 30 we should win this year no excuses does not take into account that this is a new coaching staff with a completely new D and O so there will be growing pains.
In Craft's last year he beat BYU and Utah. But no one was saying Long should beat those 2 teams in Longs 1st year.
I agree we should win on Sat. But Idaho looks improved. We are on the road and we are implementing a new system on O and D. Not the same circumstances as last year.
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 18, 2009 7:54:14 GMT -8
The problem we have had with this program is that every coach since Gilbert has not been given the time to build 'his' team. The exception was Tollner. Every new head coach has his own system and must implement it with the players from the previous regime. Some had initial success (Stoltz, Lugenbill) while the others didn't and paid for it. Long wasn't left much by Craft and couldn't rebuild fast enough. Hoke will now benefit from the O-Line that was recruited by Long. Long was also hampered by the fact that he was learning on the job as he had never been a head coach before. If he had inherited a successful program he could have gotten away with it. He didn't and paid the price. I believe that this program, SDSU Football, is out of excuses and out of time. An experienced head coach should have been hired instead of Craft and instead of Long. Now that we are seven years removed from Tollner and in a poor economic environment, there is only time for success. If Hoke cannot pull it off then I think major college football is dead in San Diego. I also have met him and believe that the 'Sleeping Giant' might finally awake. I agree that if this staff can't do it, we are in serious danger of losing the program. However, I have great confidence in this staff. Finally, we have a coaching staff with a proven record and experience. We are going to do it.... a bit slower than we would like, but surely. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 18, 2009 9:56:39 GMT -8
The problem we have had with this program is that every coach since Gilbert has not been given the time to build 'his' team. The exception was Tollner. Every new head coach has his own system and must implement it with the players from the previous regime. Some had initial success (Stoltz, Lugenbill) while the others didn't and paid for it. Long wasn't left much by Craft and couldn't rebuild fast enough. Hoke will now benefit from the O-Line that was recruited by Long. Long was also hampered by the fact that he was learning on the job as he had never been a head coach before. If he had inherited a successful program he could have gotten away with it. He didn't and paid the price. I believe that this program, SDSU Football, is out of excuses and out of time. An experienced head coach should have been hired instead of Craft and instead of Long. Now that we are seven years removed from Tollner and in a poor economic environment, there is only time for success. If Hoke cannot pull it off then I think major college football is dead in San Diego. I also have met him and believe that the 'Sleeping Giant' might finally awake. Ahhh....Very well said. I agree with everything you said 100%, except the death of the program. I will even agree with even that IF the Aztecs go 2-10 three more straight years, but I don't see 2-10 happening again any time soon. |
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 18, 2009 10:01:09 GMT -8
Steve, My point is that you saying we should win by 25. If we beat Idaho last year by 30 we should win this year no excuses does not take into account that this is a new coaching staff with a completely new D and O so there will be growing pains. In Craft's last year he beat BYU and Utah. But no one was saying Long should beat those 2 teams in Longs 1st year. I agree we should win on Sat. But Idaho looks improved. We are on the road and we are implementing a new system on O and D. Not the same circumstances as last year. Good points AztecX. My comments (inititial posts) are directed at "Long Haters" like SGF, NTU, and a group of others on the other board. The ones that think Chuck Long was a mass murderer, the devil himself. It is a firm "jab" in thier sides....Or a "thorn", which I can be when I want too. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 18, 2009 10:25:19 GMT -8
If the kids play like they did the first two games, we should win. They made mistakes, but played hard the entire games. The points about the new offense and new defense are well made and should be considered. We are deeper this year than last and should be able to handle Idaho. As they say, we still must play the game.
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Post by steveaztec on Sept 18, 2009 11:11:16 GMT -8
If the kids play like they did the first two games, we should win. They made mistakes, but played hard the entire games. The points about the new offense and new defense are well made and should be considered. We are deeper this year than last and should be able to handle Idaho. As they say, we still must play the game. Last year (according to some Aztectalkers), it wasn't about the kids. It was about the Coach and staff getting them ready. I would assume that the same would hold true for this staff. After all, they are a "PROFESSIONAL STAFF", according to SGF. If they truly are, we should go up to Idaho and bounce these guys by 14 (and should win by 20) or more. No Excuses!!!! |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 18, 2009 12:11:05 GMT -8
If the kids play like they did the first two games, we should win. They made mistakes, but played hard the entire games. The points about the new offense and new defense are well made and should be considered. We are deeper this year than last and should be able to handle Idaho. As they say, we still must play the game. Last year (according to some Aztectalkers), it wasn't about the kids. It was about the Coach and staff getting them ready. I would assume that the same would hold true for this staff. After all, they are a "PROFESSIONAL STAFF", according to SGF. If they truly are, we should go up to Idaho and bounce these guys by 14 (and should win by 20) or more. No Excuses!!!! I don't want to get into talking about something that we can never settle. I have yet to see any "giveup" in this team. The rest will remain unsaid. |
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 18, 2009 12:15:43 GMT -8
I just don't think this year's team will lose self respect..... it appeared like last year's team did on a couple occasions.
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