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Post by montyismyhomie on Aug 4, 2010 13:12:35 GMT -8
Let the record show he who first invoked his name...
this feels like someone chumming the water for sharks...
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Post by ramrodd23 on Aug 4, 2010 13:15:49 GMT -8
Not sure what you mean by OL of old. Miller and Quinones are only sophs. AND ( Long Haters, please don't turn this thread into a fisaco)... All of the Oline and Dline listed as #1's are Chuck Long recruits and Trask is a Craft recruit. There are also quite a few listed as back ups. That doesn't look to me that they are woefully weak. If they are woefully weak, what does that say about the new Olineman recruited the last two years? I only see one of them in the two deep (High School recruit). Hoke has only recruited one year of Olineman. Last year. So of course the depth chart is going to be Long players. Steve, if Long Oline man were so strong, why would Hoke go after so many JC Olineman last year? |
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Post by aztecx on Aug 4, 2010 13:52:49 GMT -8
If they are woefully weak, what does that say about the new Olineman recruited the last two years? I only see one of them in the two deep (High School recruit). Do yor really expect the OL recruited the last 2 years to have made an impact? There were no OL recruited in Hoke's first year because he was behind the curve in recruiting and he said with OL you have to be sure about them because you cannot have them change positions. So that is why there is no one from Hokes first class making an impact. And the last years class is not yet practiced, but one of the trues is listed on the depth chart. Two Juco OL are listed as 2nd string. That is even before they have practiced. I think that shows you what the current coaches think of last years OL from a performance perspective. I expect both of these players to be starters early in the season. If Hoke was happy with the OL, he would not have recruited 3 juco OL, IMO. |
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Post by seasonticketholder on Aug 4, 2010 14:36:41 GMT -8
Not sure what you mean by OL of old. Miller and Quinones are only sophs. AND ( Long Haters, please don't turn this thread into a fisaco)... All of the Oline and Dline listed as #1's are Chuck Long recruits and Trask is a Craft recruit. There are also quite a few listed as back ups. That doesn't look to me that they are woefully weak. If they are woefully weak, what does that say about the new Olineman recruited the last two years? I only see one of them in the two deep (High School recruit). I don't post much, mostly just like to read...but seriously, it's like you're begging this to turn into another Long conversation. |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 14:54:01 GMT -8
Let the record show he who first invoked his name... this feels like someone chumming the water for sharks... Let the record show that Chuck Long is on topic and always has been. It is where some take the argument that is the problem. |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 14:57:28 GMT -8
AND ( Long Haters, please don't turn this thread into a fisaco)... All of the Oline and Dline listed as #1's are Chuck Long recruits and Trask is a Craft recruit. There are also quite a few listed as back ups. That doesn't look to me that they are woefully weak. If they are woefully weak, what does that say about the new Olineman recruited the last two years? I only see one of them in the two deep (High School recruit). Hoke has only recruited one year of Olineman. Last year. So of course the depth chart is going to be Long players. Steve, if Long Oline man were so strong, why would Hoke go after so many JC Olineman last year? This is a very fair question. While Chuck Longs classes are now becoming Juniors, they are still young. I think any coach (that is allowed too) would not want to bring in 2 or so JC Oline bangers to shore up and help the overall run game etc. I didn't find it shocking that Hoke brought in a couple of JC Lineman (especially with Jeff Schemmel out of the AD position). I see the JC players as adding to what we already have and helping the 2 deep be even deeper. I see them as additions. |
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Post by aztec70 on Aug 4, 2010 15:01:23 GMT -8
Ronnie Hillman #1 at RB. He is not really a freshman, but he beat out all the returners. Hope that mean he is really good, and not that the rest are poor. Wouldn't be it sweet to see a great running back here again!  |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 15:08:40 GMT -8
If they are woefully weak, what does that say about the new Olineman recruited the last two years? I only see one of them in the two deep (High School recruit). Do yor really expect the OL recruited the last 2 years to have made an impact? There were no OL recruited in Hoke's first year because he was behind the curve in recruiting and he said with OL you have to be sure about them because you cannot have them change positions. So that is why there is no one from Hokes first class making an impact. And the last years class is not yet practiced, but one of the trues is listed on the depth chart. Two Juco OL are listed as 2nd string. That is even before they have practiced. I think that shows you what the current coaches think of last years OL from a performance perspective. I expect both of these players to be starters early in the season. If Hoke was happy with the OL, he would not have recruited 3 juco OL, IMO. No, I don't expect those young lineman to be there yet. The same as I didn't expect the Chuck Long young lineman would be there in their first 2 1/2 years on campus. IMO, when a coach brings in a JC Olineman (or 2), he wants to make a Oline deeper and more experienced. I see them as an addition.....Not players who come in because others were so bad. I hope both of the JC guys start. If they do, we are going to be deeper than most think at OLine. I also think it is good that the JC guys are listed on the 2-deep. If they weren't I would really have to question Brady and staff about it. If you recruit a JC OLineman, the only reason you would do so is if you think they guy can start or contribute right away. |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 15:11:21 GMT -8
AND ( Long Haters, please don't turn this thread into a fisaco)... All of the Oline and Dline listed as #1's are Chuck Long recruits and Trask is a Craft recruit. There are also quite a few listed as back ups. That doesn't look to me that they are woefully weak. If they are woefully weak, what does that say about the new Olineman recruited the last two years? I only see one of them in the two deep (High School recruit). I don't post much, mostly just like to read...but seriously, it's like you're begging this to turn into another Long conversation. With all due respect, I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. I made a comment about the Olineman (which is part of the topic of the Depth Chart), and then did just the opposite of what you are saying I did. I begged posters to NOT turn it in to a Long Hater thread. If I had not put that disclaimer on my post, others would have turned it into a hate thread anyway. In other words, I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. Although damned, I will continue to post my opinions on the Aztecs. That is why I come here. |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 15:16:25 GMT -8
Ronnie Hillman #1 at RB. He is not really a freshman, but he beat out all the returners. Hope that mean he is really good, and not that the rest are poor. Wouldn't be sweet to see a great running back here again! I am most excited about seeing Ronnie perform. |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Aug 4, 2010 15:23:52 GMT -8
Let the record show he who first invoked his name... this feels like someone chumming the water for sharks... Let the record show that Chuck Long is on topic and always has been. It is where some take the argument that is the problem. this is exactly what is sooooo frustrating about you steve, you can't even admit that you are just baiting people. your comment was inherently argumentative and you constantly seek to bring up this topic. just because you think someone else will bring it up does not mean that they will. one day you are saying you wont bring it up unless someone else does and then the next you are justifying bringing it up first because "you know" someone else will. thats called being a hypocrit. |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 15:32:41 GMT -8
Let the record show that Chuck Long is on topic and always has been. It is where some take the argument that is the problem. this is exactly what is sooooo frustrating about you steve, you can't even admit that you are just baiting people. your comment was inherently argumentative and you constantly seek to bring up this topic. just because you think someone else will bring it up does not mean that they will. one day you are saying you wont bring it up unless someone else does and then the next you are justifying bringing it up first because "you know" someone else will. thats called being a hypocrit. There is a reason I don't say I'm baiting people... It is because I'm not. I love sports and the Aztecs. I have talked about every conceivable topic of the Aztecs over the last 30 years on this board and in the community. I have talked about many controversial subjects. I can only be me....If some think I'm baiting, then so be it. I can only give my true opinions.....I can't control how others interpret my opinions. Go Hoke!!! Go Aztecs!!! |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Aug 4, 2010 15:36:36 GMT -8
you didn't address the being a hypocrit part though steve...
you know the part where i gave a specific example and you chose to ignore it and not refute that you do in fact contradict yourself on a regular basis and are therefore a hypocrit...
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Post by thomgeno on Aug 4, 2010 15:39:15 GMT -8
Steve did not bring up Chuck Long. One of the previous psoters did.  |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Aug 4, 2010 15:45:19 GMT -8
Steve did not bring up Chuck Long. One of the previous psoters did. WRONG geno, go back and read and you will find that steve was the first to mention anything about Long. |
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Post by monty on Aug 4, 2010 15:48:41 GMT -8
Ronnie Hillman #1 at RB. He is not really a freshman, but he beat out all the returners. Hope that mean he is really good, and not that the rest are poor. Wouldn't be sweet to see a great running back here again! How much of the depth chart is for motivation purposes? To stroke egos and light a fire under others. |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 15:52:19 GMT -8
you didn't address the being a hypocrit part though steve... you know the part where i gave a specific example and you chose to ignore it and not refute that you do in fact contradict yourself on a regular basis and are therefore a hypocrit... No problem. I didn't address it montyismyhomie, because people are tired of this type of talk. The MOD has asked me to ignore people who ask me silly questions, and I told him I would try that for the sake of the board....But since you keep bringing this up... Let me make this statement one more time... -As far as I am concerned, Chuck Long has always been on topic (since he became a candidate for the head coaching job)....AND always will be on topic. I have never varied from that....NEVER!!! -I have been asked by many on the board to quit talking about Chuck Long (why, I'm not sure). Some of them are close friends of mine. -I have always told people that asked me to quit talking about Chuck Long that I have no problem with that IF everybody else stops talking about Chuck Long too. -I even started two or 3 threads over the last two years, saying that I will stop talking about Chuck Long....IF everybody else does...Within 3 to 4 posts on those threads, some random poster would come on and blast me and Chuck Long about something, therefore making my attempt to help the board (and some of my friends) obsolete. So no, I'm not a hypocrit....And I wish if you were going to accuse me of being a hypocrit, you would at least get your story correct. |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 15:55:41 GMT -8
Now back to this thread...
I am really intrigued by the QB situation. Of course Lindley is #1.
I have a friend that is a football coach who really likes Bernards as the #2. He thinks Bernards is a little better than some think.
I have found that the staff is really amazed by Ryan Clark. A winner, a competitor, with a knack for scrambling, and a very high football IQ.
I don't want Lindley to go down, but would really like to blow out a couple of early opponents to see these guys in game action.
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 4, 2010 15:56:51 GMT -8
Ronnie Hillman #1 at RB. He is not really a freshman, but he beat out all the returners. Hope that mean he is really good, and not that the rest are poor. Wouldn't be sweet to see a great running back here again! How much of the depth chart is for motivation purposes? To stroke egos and light a fire under others. Great point. It is a big motivating tool. |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Aug 4, 2010 15:59:41 GMT -8
you still didn't answer my question...
you simply stated something you've regurgitated 100 times which did not contradict my factually correct story...
i will repeat for you:
"one day you are saying you wont bring it up unless someone else does and then the next you are justifying bringing it up first because "you know" someone else will. thats called being a hypocrit."
this behavior perpetuates the problem. you have to admit that you are now creating the problem and stop blaming other people. just admit it and we can all move on.
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