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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 13:49:24 GMT -8
In my opinion, Terry Bowden would have come in here, put butts in the seats (a minimum of 25,000 per game and probably more) his first year. He would have won 6 games last year and followed it up with our best recruiting class this University has ever seen. That is the impact we needed. I love Brady Hoke, but attendance went down again, and we won 4 games with our weakest schedule we have ever had. Recruiting seems fairly good, but certainly not the best in our history. That is the difference between Brady Hoke and Terry Bowden in my opinion. Not just your opinion, Steve. Among the reasons I liked Bowden was exactly that. There's a reason he was getting like $10K per motivational speech. As much as I like Brady Hoke, he will never sell tickets that way. Also, without breaking confidences (and you know what I'm referring to), I had heard that making those speeches and investing wisely, Bowden has more money than he knows what to do with and would have been a Tony Gwynn. In other words, he would have been willing to essentially work for minimum wage so he could put half a mil of what would essentially have been his own money into hiring the best staff SDSU could afford. Again, I really like Hoke but that doesn't mean I'll concede he was a better hire than Terry Bowden would have been. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 5, 2010 14:48:16 GMT -8
In my opinion, Terry Bowden would have come in here, put butts in the seats (a minimum of 25,000 per game and probably more) his first year. He would have won 6 games last year and followed it up with our best recruiting class this University has ever seen. That is the impact we needed. I love Brady Hoke, but attendance went down again, and we won 4 games with our weakest schedule we have ever had. Recruiting seems fairly good, but certainly not the best in our history. That is the difference between Brady Hoke and Terry Bowden in my opinion. Not just your opinion, Steve. Among the reasons I liked Bowden was exactly that. There's a reason he was getting like $10K per motivational speech. As much as I like Brady Hoke, he will never sell tickets that way. Also, without breaking confidences (and you know what I'm referring to), I had heard that making those speeches and investing wisely, Bowden has more money than he knows what to do with and would have been a Tony Gwynn. In other words, he would have been willing to essentially work for minimum wage so he could put half a mil of what would essentially have been his own money into hiring the best staff SDSU could afford. Again, I really like Hoke but that doesn't mean I'll concede he was a better hire than Terry Bowden would have been. Boy, you and I are really thinking along similar lines today! Hoke was a good, and safe, choice. Bowden would have been, at least in a number of areas, a better choice. But Terry would also have been more risky. At least he probably seemed more risky to the SDSU administration. Lots of different factors probably came into play. Maybe the suits felt that Bowden would jump ship after two or three good years. Well, Hoke could do that, as well. Maybe they felt Bowden would want too much money. Does anybody know whether the SDSU admin. even considered Terry Bowden. If they did not, then they did not practice due diligence. AzWm |
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Post by gettough on Jul 5, 2010 14:56:23 GMT -8
It seems clear that after Craft's indiscretions, and knowing what SDSU admin. know about the Lance Louis situation, that they were looking for both a safe hire and a disciplinarian. I don't know Bowden's history, but he doesn't seem like the type to come in and lay down the law like Hoke has.
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 5, 2010 15:01:51 GMT -8
I could have been happy with Bowden. Nonetheless, for whatever reason, SDSU did not hire him. Lots of other schools had chances to hire him as well. They did not either. I'm not going to rag on SDSU for not hiring him.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 5, 2010 15:11:32 GMT -8
In my opinion, Terry Bowden would have come in here, put butts in the seats (a minimum of 25,000 per game and probably more) his first year. He would have won 6 games last year and followed it up with our best recruiting class this University has ever seen. That is the impact we needed. I love Brady Hoke, but attendance went down again, and we won 4 games with our weakest schedule we have ever had. Recruiting seems fairly good, but certainly not the best in our history. That is the difference between Brady Hoke and Terry Bowden in my opinion. Not just your opinion, Steve. Among the reasons I liked Bowden was exactly that. There's a reason he was getting like $10K per motivational speech. As much as I like Brady Hoke, he will never sell tickets that way. Also, without breaking confidences (and you know what I'm referring to), I had heard that making those speeches and investing wisely, Bowden has more money than he knows what to do with and would have been a Tony Gwynn. In other words, he would have been willing to essentially work for minimum wage so he could put half a mil of what would essentially have been his own money into hiring the best staff SDSU could afford. Again, I really like Hoke but that doesn't mean I'll concede he was a better hire than Terry Bowden would have been. I know SGF.....All I can say is.....What an opportunity lost for our program. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 5, 2010 15:55:17 GMT -8
In my opinion, Terry Bowden would have come in here, put butts in the seats (a minimum of 25,000 per game and probably more) his first year. He would have won 6 games last year and followed it up with our best recruiting class this University has ever seen. That is the impact we needed. I love Brady Hoke, but attendance went down again, and we won 4 games with our weakest schedule we have ever had. Recruiting seems fairly good, but certainly not the best in our history. That is the difference between Brady Hoke and Terry Bowden in my opinion. Not just your opinion, Steve. Among the reasons I liked Bowden was exactly that. There's a reason he was getting like $10K per motivational speech. As much as I like Brady Hoke, he will never sell tickets that way. Also, without breaking confidences (and you know what I'm referring to), I had heard that making those speeches and investing wisely, Bowden has more money than he knows what to do with and would have been a Tony Gwynn. In other words, he would have been willing to essentially work for minimum wage so he could put half a mil of what would essentially have been his own money into hiring the best staff SDSU could afford. Again, I really like Hoke but that doesn't mean I'll concede he was a better hire than Terry Bowden would have been. Except for some reason, no D1-A school has been willing to hire him and there has to be some reason for that. =Bob |
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Post by monty on Jul 5, 2010 16:05:10 GMT -8
Not just your opinion, Steve. Among the reasons I liked Bowden was exactly that. There's a reason he was getting like $10K per motivational speech. As much as I like Brady Hoke, he will never sell tickets that way. Also, without breaking confidences (and you know what I'm referring to), I had heard that making those speeches and investing wisely, Bowden has more money than he knows what to do with and would have been a Tony Gwynn. In other words, he would have been willing to essentially work for minimum wage so he could put half a mil of what would essentially have been his own money into hiring the best staff SDSU could afford. Again, I really like Hoke but that doesn't mean I'll concede he was a better hire than Terry Bowden would have been. Except for some reason, no D1-A school has been willing to hire him and there has to be some reason for that. =Bob There just has to be that not only no D1a, but no D1aa program over the past dozen years has hired him. I don't doubt that he could have been an all-star, change-the-program type hire, but, something is rotten here. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 5, 2010 16:39:58 GMT -8
Except for some reason, no D1-A school has been willing to hire him and there has to be some reason for that. =Bob There just has to be that not only no D1a, but no D1aa program over the past dozen years has hired him. I don't doubt that he could have been an all-star, change-the-program type hire, but, something is rotten here. Well, he did get hired last year and did a really good job (at a 1-AA school). My guess is that he gets a D1 job for the 2011 season. He was certainly my #1 choice for the Aztecs job. I think Hoke was a good hire, possibly very good, but Bowden could have been a great hire. |
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Post by monty on Jul 5, 2010 17:39:29 GMT -8
There just has to be that not only no D1a, but no D1aa program over the past dozen years has hired him. I don't doubt that he could have been an all-star, change-the-program type hire, but, something is rotten here. Well, he did get hired last year and did a really good job (at a 1-AA school). My guess is that he gets a D1 job for the 2011 season. He was certainly my #1 choice for the Aztecs job. I think Hoke was a good hire, possibly very good, but Bowden could have been a great hire. North 'Bama is Division II |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 5, 2010 18:11:28 GMT -8
I sure hope and hink we made the right choice. I was pulling for Hauck or Bowden, but now think we went in the right direction. Look at the recruits we are lining up!
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 5, 2010 18:42:40 GMT -8
Not just your opinion, Steve. Among the reasons I liked Bowden was exactly that. There's a reason he was getting like $10K per motivational speech. As much as I like Brady Hoke, he will never sell tickets that way. Also, without breaking confidences (and you know what I'm referring to), I had heard that making those speeches and investing wisely, Bowden has more money than he knows what to do with and would have been a Tony Gwynn. In other words, he would have been willing to essentially work for minimum wage so he could put half a mil of what would essentially have been his own money into hiring the best staff SDSU could afford. Again, I really like Hoke but that doesn't mean I'll concede he was a better hire than Terry Bowden would have been. Except for some reason, no D1-A school has been willing to hire him and there has to be some reason for that. =Bob Everybody knows there is some reason that no one will hire him. But we need to take a chance. We need to jump start this program. Basketball took a chance on Steve Fisher. |
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Post by Honor Americas Manhood on Jul 6, 2010 6:37:06 GMT -8
Summary, only:
It might be a stretch to relate the head coaching job as a foreshadow to the Presidency. But. It's weird how, "I'll-take-you-far-Ted Tolner" resembled Prez. Bush, Craft was a dry talking, Coach Clinton, and Long, with no previous head coaching experience was Prez. Osama who has no experience running a large bureacracy.
Weird foreshadowing. I guess this means, with Coach Hoke, our next President will be stellar! Good news, eh?
Stretch.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jul 6, 2010 6:52:21 GMT -8
I sure hope and hink we made the right choice. I was pulling for Hauck or Bowden, but now think we went in the right direction. Look at the recruits we are lining up! Still pulling up ghosts from the dead. Bowden is now as irrelevant as Long and Craft and.....My question at this point would be, the consensus seems to be that six wins is not an unreasonable expectation, but if Hoke's team performs this year pretty much the same as last years team, should he be fired? I would think if so, then we can revisit the graveyard. (Who was the worst hire, Craft, Long, or Hoke?..  ) I'm REALLY trying to be as optimistic as I can about this years team and hoping to look at the hiring of Coach Hoke as the right decision. Then, we can finally put all this speculation to rest. |
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2010 7:22:27 GMT -8
Still pulling up ghosts from the dead. Bowden is now as irrelevant as Long and Craft and.....My question at this point would be, the consensus seems to be that six wins is not an unreasonable expectation, but if Hoke's team performs this year pretty much the same as last years team, should he be fired? I would think if so, then we can revisit the graveyard. (Who was the worst hire, Craft, Long, or Hoke?.. ) I'm REALLY trying to be as optimistic as I can about this years team and hoping to look at the hiring of Coach Hoke as the right decision. Then, we can finally put all this speculation to rest. bull$#!+. You don't like Hoke for some reason on a personal level and it shows in everyone of your posts about the man. I'll ask again, what exactly is your problem with the guy? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2010 8:29:57 GMT -8
I sure hope and hink we made the right choice. I was pulling for Hauck or Bowden, but now think we went in the right direction. Look at the recruits we are lining up! Hoke put together as good a staff as could possibly be expected under the circumstances. That's the key. I don't know exactly how well he will do but I'm convinced he WILL do well. Well enough to be the first SDSU football coach to leave of his own accord since . . . uh . . . since . . . uh . . . Coryell maybe? |
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Post by ron on Jul 6, 2010 8:48:25 GMT -8
It's more than just "who is the better coach". In our case it is about who can rebuild a program better. Hoke, to me, is the kind of guy we desperately needed at HC. A demanding, roll up his sleeves and get to work kind of guy.
We have the facilities, but needed to weight room ass kicker, now we appear to have it. The rest of the coaches are expecting us to win and that mentality has been missing far too long. Hoke seems to be building from the ground up and not allowing for excuses.
I don't know how Bowden would have done here, but I love what Hoke and Co. are doing.
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Post by McQuervo on Jul 6, 2010 9:55:52 GMT -8
who, besides Steve cares? This topic sucks and has overrun its course many times.
Hell the above defended one of them the whole time. Now he defends a cronic loser after his overdue firing- get over it. Support Hoke and lets discuss a POSITIVE, HOPEFUL (sorry Stu) future of W's!
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 6, 2010 10:03:46 GMT -8
who, besides Steve cares? This topic sucks and has overrun its course many times. Hell the above defended one of them the whole time. Now he defends a cronic loser after his overdue firing- get over it. Support Hoke and lets discuss a POSITIVE, HOPEFUL (sorry Stu) future of W's! I didn't start the thread. |
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Post by McQuervo on Jul 6, 2010 10:22:17 GMT -8
no need to be overly defensive Stevo.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 6, 2010 10:26:20 GMT -8
no need to be overly defensive Stevo. As for this season Mcq, 6/7 wins minimum. At least I Hoke so. |
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