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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2010 12:12:34 GMT -8
Fairly simple. Percentage. The BCS schools offered those guys but they saw them as a high-risk portion of a more balanced recruiting class. Craft had too high a percentage of high-risk recruits, clearly. I should admit that I never before checked to see how many of the highly rated guys were actually offered by BCS schools rather than simply being contacted by them and although a few were not offered by such schools, most were. On that basis I think JohnE's defense of Craft is legit. Mea culpa to him and Craft. That said, I think gettough's answer is a good one. Maybe the kind of player Craft had to go after was beyond his control and there's no doubt that as I've said before, Bay gave Craft next to no institutional support. Still, to have such a huge percentage of LOIs fail to suit up beyond one year has to be more than just bad luck. I agree that he overextended himself obviously on the amount of risk players he went after. I just don't think he was as bad as alot of people make him out to be, especially with the lack of resources he was subjected to. Also, you have to give him credit for giving guys like Andy Buh and Thom Kaumeyer a chance at coaching. Craft believed in them and they turned out to be very good. |
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Post by aztech on Jul 13, 2010 14:18:20 GMT -8
I should admit that I never before checked to see how many of the highly rated guys were actually offered by BCS schools rather than simply being contacted by them and although a few were not offered by such schools, most were. On that basis I think JohnE's defense of Craft is legit. Mea culpa to him and Craft. That said, I think gettough's answer is a good one. Maybe the kind of player Craft had to go after was beyond his control and there's no doubt that as I've said before, Bay gave Craft next to no institutional support. Still, to have such a huge percentage of LOIs fail to suit up beyond one year has to be more than just bad luck. I agree that he overextended himself obviously on the amount of risk players he went after. I just don't think he was as bad as alot of people make him out to be, especially with the lack of resources he was subjected to. Also, you have to give him credit for giving guys like Andy Buh and Thom Kaumeyer a chance at coaching. Craft believed in them and they turned out to be very good. I read Buh left Stanford already for the same job elsewhere. What's the deal with him anyway? |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 13, 2010 15:45:16 GMT -8
Johnaztec made a good point. (I would praise B5Erik as well, but if I did I would be criticized for obvious reasons! ;D)
Johnaztec wrote of Tom Craft, and I agree with this; I just don't think he was as bad as alot of people make him out to be, especially with the lack of resources he was subjected to.
The problem with Craft was not that he was not a competent football coach. The problem was that SDSU needed more than a merely competent football coach after Tollner was fired. What was needed was a proven winner who had lead programs at the highest level of American football.
Dick Tomey and Rich Brooks both fit that description and both were available. Why our AD essentially panicked after Tedford turned us down is beyond me. If you or I had been hired as HC, would our subsequent failure have been our responsibility or that of the university that hired us? Well, since you or I would have been in charge of the team, you might say it was our fault. But it is the responsibility of the school not to choose someone with inferior qualifications.
And that is the real issue. If Erickson ends up winning 4 or 5 games this year and gets fired at ASU, would we be able to blame the ASU administration? I think not, since Erickson has a proven record of making teams better than when he arrived. His failure, therefore, would logically be charged to him.
With Tom Craft, that cannot be said, at least not to such a degree. Hire someone who has not earned the right to be a Div-!A head coach and you must take much if not most of the blame.
Query: do we now have someone in the AD's chair who is smart enough not to make hiring decisions such as the ones that gave us Craft and Long? I sure as hell hope so.
AzWm
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Post by sdoc on Aug 9, 2010 14:25:19 GMT -8
Sorry to keep this going, but a colleague of mine has a son who currently works in the SDSU men's athletic department and has for several years for a male sport. I don't want to give away the identity of this person on a public forum. Anyways the topic of Craft and Long was brought up.
I was told a big problem with Craft is that he was too wild. He would drink too much and even drank with our players. Just not very professional.
Long on the other hand I hear was a nice guy, but he just did not care. He did not enforce any rules and would be very nonchalant about everything. Other men's teams would be in study hall at 7 a.m. and Long would just say "What's study hall?" People would ask his opinion and he would just say "o whatever, I don't know" and things like that.
I hear Hoke is much more focused and seems determined to win. This is just a brief recap of what I was told by an inside source. I hope Hoke is the coach we all think he is. I think of a great coach like Coryell and he wasn't just determined to win on the field, he was also a good person.
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Post by McQuervo on Aug 9, 2010 14:31:06 GMT -8
Craft was to Bush as was Long to Obama...   |
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Post by zurac315 on Aug 9, 2010 15:52:07 GMT -8
What I want to know is who was better, Thom Williams or Joe Turpin? That question should be worth eleven pages of comments.  |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 9, 2010 17:10:49 GMT -8
Sorry to keep this going, but a colleague of mine has a son who currently works in the SDSU men's athletic department and has for several years for a male sport. I don't want to give away the identity of this person on a public forum. Anyways the topic of Craft and Long was brought up. I was told a big problem with Craft is that he was too wild. He would drink too much and even drank with our players. Just not very professional. Long on the other hand I hear was a nice guy, but he just did not care. He did not enforce any rules and would be very nonchalant about everything. Other men's teams would be in study hall at 7 a.m. and Long would just say "What's study hall?" People would ask his opinion and he would just say "o whatever, I don't know" and things like that. I hear Hoke is much more focused and seems determined to win. This is just a brief recap of what I was told by an inside source. I hope Hoke is the coach we all think he is. I think of a great coach like Coryell and he wasn't just determined to win on the field, he was also a good person. What a joke. I'm sorry, but no way Craft DRANK with players and no way Long ever had the thought, "What's study hall?" Bad source. Get real.  |
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Post by monty on Aug 9, 2010 18:16:08 GMT -8
Sorry to keep this going, but a colleague of mine has a son who currently works in the SDSU men's athletic department and has for several years for a male sport. I don't want to give away the identity of this person on a public forum. Anyways the topic of Craft and Long was brought up. I was told a big problem with Craft is that he was too wild. He would drink too much and even drank with our players. Just not very professional. Long on the other hand I hear was a nice guy, but he just did not care. He did not enforce any rules and would be very nonchalant about everything. Other men's teams would be in study hall at 7 a.m. and Long would just say "What's study hall?" People would ask his opinion and he would just say "o whatever, I don't know" and things like that. I hear Hoke is much more focused and seems determined to win. This is just a brief recap of what I was told by an inside source. I hope Hoke is the coach we all think he is. I think of a great coach like Coryell and he wasn't just determined to win on the field, he was also a good person. What a joke. I'm sorry, but no way Craft DRANK with players and no way Long ever had the thought, "What's study hall?" Bad source. Get real. There has been plenty of word around the camp fire of coaches and players drinking, now connecting them together that is a new one, but out of the realm of possibility? |
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 9, 2010 18:53:35 GMT -8
Craft was to Bush as was Long to Obama... And compared to those two, Tollner was Ronald Reagan. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 9, 2010 19:41:49 GMT -8
I am ready to euthanize this thread. Anybody care to argue against that idea?
AzWm (WLR)
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Post by monty on Aug 9, 2010 19:43:04 GMT -8
DNR
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 9, 2010 21:07:22 GMT -8
I am ready to euthanize this thread. Anybody care to argue against that idea? AzWm (WLR) Why on earth shut down a thread that has drawn more interest than any other in the short history of the board? Like any other thread, it will "euthanize" itself when people aren't responding to it anymore. Ditto. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 10, 2010 16:38:04 GMT -8
We are on page 12.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 10, 2010 18:26:42 GMT -8
Sad, isn't it?  AzWm |
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Post by McQuervo on Aug 10, 2010 18:39:41 GMT -8
Sad, isn't it? AzWm Kill it! |
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