Post by inocuace on Feb 27, 2011 9:27:26 GMT -8
Feb 26, 2011 8:05:09 GMT -8 @inocuace said:
Ok
The information I found does not support your contention that private school teachers make less in salary than public school teachers in Wisconsin. I compared and found that they are close.
The average for teachers in Wisconsin is $46, 390.
The average Private secondary school teacher in Hudson WI makes $49.380.00 Hudson WI is a suburb of Minneapolis St. Paul (Minnesota), so it should be roughly representative.
www.cbsalary.com/salary_chart.aspx?specialty=Private+Teacher+Secondary+School&cty=Hudson&sid=WI&kw=Private+Teacher&jn=jn031&edu=&tid=66419
Wisconsin ranked 26th in the nation for its average teacher salary in 2006-07, according to the American Federation of Teachers’ (AFT) Survey and Analysis of Teacher Salary Trends 2007.
The average teacher salary in Wisconsin for the 2006-07 school year was $46,707-a 3.3 percent increase from the previous year. Wisconsin was ranked 30th in the nation for beginning teacher salaries, at $31,588.
In Wisconsin, the average salary for charter school teachers was $42,490; beginning charter school teachers’ salaries averaged $32,773.
www.k12jobs.com/teaching_jobs_resources/Wisconsin_teacher_jobs.php
And just to make you happy I checked the actual teacher salaries for the Lake Geneva school district. If you don't know where Lake Geneva WI is look it up. I had friends there and my niece lives near there. The benefits average around 40% and not the 100% foisted in the source at the beginning of the thread.
dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/pdf/asr04_pt4.pdf
I have a problem with your premise that public school teachers make more than private school teachers. Since I attended private schools I know that the requirements for teacher hiring are not the same for those at public schools. My private schools had younger teachers who were just starting out. That was not the case at the public schools. Unless you can tell me what the specific requirements of each school is, your argument comparing private with public schools is specious.
I will add that teacher salaries, when compared to people in Wisconsin by the same education, teachers make less money. Since educational attainment is probably fungible - a person with a degree in a job from University Of Wisconsin, Parkside will on average do as well as one who went to U.Of Wisconsin, Superior, then teachers don't get paid as well for the same education as other people with the same education. I would say that is true for private school teachers as well as public school teachers.
Which brings me to what I think your real point is. You think public school teachers make too much, especially if they are in unions. You hate unions.
I think it is fair to compare teacher salaries to others with the same education both inside and outside Wisconsin and I think the comparison of private school and public school teachers needs to be carefully reviewed to make sure the requirements for hire are the same.
I find that comparing benefits is also risky, because benefits are so different for people in teaching as benefits are in all employee contexts. But the 100% benefits figure appears to be a gross exaggeration written by a conservative with an agenda.
But, again, the real issue is that you don't like the unionized Wisconsin teachers because they are standing up for themselves in the face of what I consider an unfair attack.
You don't like taxes and you will vilify anyone who receives a salary from them so that you can pay less. That is the real point. You want to pay no taxes. Who cares, in your mind, if the kids get a decent education.
Teachers in Wisconsin work hard as do teachers everywhere. If teaching were the gravy train you and your selfish cohort believed, everyone would be clamoring to get into the field. Yet the statistics say that teaching is one of the most grinding professions to be found. And what ever we pay teachers in Wisconsin, or anywhere else it is not nearly frigging enough.
I bet you make more than a teacher. As to whether you are worth what you are paid is happily someone else's problem.
Well at least you're getting closer and are almost comparing apples to apples. But why not expound on the compensation packages for State employed bus drivers? Oh well. I'm sure the Wisconsin Union bosses would want the state voters to think that salary alone was the issue with their nearly bankrupt state treasury, but unfortunately that isn't really the case. Its the overly generous benefits package that combines to make the Wisconsin public employee much better off financially than their private sector counterpart.
I understand the need for Unions and can understand the origin of the institution, but it is as ridiculous to me to have a unionized US Armed Forces with a legal ability for soldiers to strike as it is to have a unionized Government work force that is allowed to strike. Why do we let the Government set salaries and benefits for our soldiers but must have Union power to argue the case for service employees, for example, all while working in extremely less severe situations?
The other problem I have is the monopolistic nature of a Government Union. The commercial market place will punish the Unionized business and Union member alike if they both agree to pay/get paid too much or for all the "promised" benefits that a Unionized work force might bring. Someone else (who may or may not be Unionized) might provide their product either better or at a lower price and the consumer (analogous to the taxpayer) can shop where ever he likes .
Not so with a Unionized Government work force. Where is the alternative?
Now don't even start with the incestuous nature of Unions and Democrat politicians. And to say that all businesses and business owners are GOP honks shows me that you never went to Ben and Jerry's, among a million others businesses.
"Well at least you're getting closer and are almost comparing apples to apples."
Thanks God.
You carp about the incestuous nature of the unions and the Democratic party. But, once again, you fail to talk about the relationship between business and the Republican party. I guess that does not help your case.
Government employees make less than similarly employed people in private business. The foggy issue of benefits offers you a screen to vilify a group that differs from you and allows you to get at your real goal which is to pay no tax.
I have never Been to Ben and Jerrys. I amm sure that there are intelligently operated businesses, but I have seen damned few of them. Not all business people are Republicans, but since you lump all unions together, I will lump all businesses together, just to irritate you.
I see very little punishment of big business going on in this country.
