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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 27, 2023 21:04:36 GMT -8
Yeah I'm not saying that he is a bad manager, but I am saying that the current situation isn't working and that he needs to be fired. Ideally fired now FWIW. Give someone internal a chance for the rest of the season. Let Flaherty be the interim manager, and find a new assistant coach for advance scouting ASAP. If you fire Melvin now, you just as well give Flaherty a multi-year deal to be manager, as he is probably going to get the job next year. If Flaherty gets the job the Padres are toast. He can't coach hitting, as an assitant he's been pretty much worthless, so he would get a promotion... why? |
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Aug 27, 2023 21:04:45 GMT -8
But they have been plagued by a mountainous amount of bad luck in batted ball performance, Bullcrap. Luck evens out over 100+ games. |
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Aug 27, 2023 21:07:51 GMT -8
I don't think the individual statistics are bad at all, at least for the top part of the order. Bottom of the order sucks sure.
This team actually is on the same page. Either nobody hits or they all do. They either score 0-2 runs or 12.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 27, 2023 21:10:56 GMT -8
If you fire Melvin now, you just as well give Flaherty a multi-year deal to be manager, as he is probably going to get the job next year. If Flaherty gets the job the Padres are toast. He can't coach hitting, as an assitant he's been pretty much worthless, so he would get a promotion... why? If Flaherty isn't successful, I think more than just Flaherty will lose their job. |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 27, 2023 21:23:28 GMT -8
If you fire Melvin now, you just as well give Flaherty a multi-year deal to be manager, as he is probably going to get the job next year. If Flaherty gets the job the Padres are toast. He can't coach hitting, as an assitant he's been pretty much worthless, so he would get a promotion... why? Because Preller. Look, it's going to happen, so we might as well get it out of the way. The way I see it, it lets us start looking for a new assistant coach all the sooner (And we need someone other then Flaherty doing advance scouting). Plus, if he falls flat on his face, then maybe we can get rid of him all the sooner. Preller thinks that having Flaherty as the HC gives Preller more control over the team. He may be digging his own grave, or - who knows, maybe Flaherty lets the front office run the show and they turn things around? Maybe Flaherty will delegate under Preller's closely watching eye, and the assistant coaches will succeed, and the team will succeed? It's possible. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2023 21:33:28 GMT -8
A rookie manager next year. Yee gawsh. That's just what they need. Sheesh. It's been discussed on this site, and on the radio as well. Just not confirmed. Yes, I've had discussions about it on this site. I still can't believe they'd be dumb enough to hire the guy. Is Machado running the team? Sheesh. |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 27, 2023 21:44:22 GMT -8
It's been discussed on this site, and on the radio as well. Just not confirmed. Yes, I've had discussions about it on this site. I still can't believe they'd be dumb enough to hire the guy. Is Machado running the team? Sheesh. Yeah I don't like him either. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 21:55:32 GMT -8
But they have been plagued by a mountainous amount of bad luck in batted ball performance, Bullcrap. Luck evens out over 100+ games. If only that were true. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 21:58:01 GMT -8
A rookie manager next year. Yee gawsh. That's just what they need. Sheesh. It's been discussed on this site, and on the radio as well. Just not confirmed. It's as confirmed as anything can be given an impulsive owner who could change his mind in two weeks. Barring something that hasn't happened, I expect Flaherty to be the manager. Seidler is usually a "stick to his guns" type of owner. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 27, 2023 22:06:42 GMT -8
If Flaherty gets the job this team will not make the World Series for several years.
He's doing a bad job as an assistant. No way does he succeed as the manager.
Looks like I should have stuck to my guns and stayed off the bandwagon. At least then I could have said, "See - same old Padres. Losers again."
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 22:07:48 GMT -8
If Flaherty gets the job this team will not make the World Series for several years. He's doing a bad job as an assistant. No way does he succeed as the manager. Looks like I should have stuck to my guns and stayed off the bandwagon. At least then I could have said, "See - same old Padres. Losers again." You still have not answered the question. If not Bob Melvin.....who? |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 27, 2023 22:47:26 GMT -8
If Flaherty gets the job this team will not make the World Series for several years. He's doing a bad job as an assistant. No way does he succeed as the manager. Looks like I should have stuck to my guns and stayed off the bandwagon. At least then I could have said, "See - same old Padres. Losers again." You still have not answered the question. If not Bob Melvin.....who? I don't follow MLB closely enough anymore to know the names of all the managers and position coaches. I have no idea - but if you don't believe that there are better managers out there every year then you haven't been following MLB for the last 45 years. There are always veterans who got screwed at their last job. And there are always young up and coming guys who become hugely successful. Always. Flaherty isn't one of those guys, though. He's failed here, so promoting him makes no sense. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 7:58:35 GMT -8
You still have not answered the question. If not Bob Melvin.....who? I don't follow MLB closely enough anymore to know the names of all the managers and position coaches. I have no idea - but if you don't believe that there are better managers out there every year then you haven't been following MLB for the last 45 years. There are always veterans who got screwed at their last job. And there are always young up and coming guys who become hugely successful. Always. Flaherty isn't one of those guys, though. He's failed here, so promoting him makes no sense. Yet you want the manager fired, the GM fired, Grisham sent into orbit and a whole other slew of moves...and you don't even follow what's happening. www.thebiglead.com/posts/san-diego-padres-aj-preller-change-01h8xebnfyghThis was written today by a good friend of mine and echoes a lot of the same things I've talked about in the past. If you think it's just about "better"....we are back to the surface level thinking that isn't enough. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2023 8:05:51 GMT -8
I don't follow MLB closely enough anymore to know the names of all the managers and position coaches. I have no idea - but if you don't believe that there are better managers out there every year then you haven't been following MLB for the last 45 years. There are always veterans who got screwed at their last job. And there are always young up and coming guys who become hugely successful. Always. Flaherty isn't one of those guys, though. He's failed here, so promoting him makes no sense. Yet you want the manager fired, the GM fired, Grisham sent into orbit and a whole other slew of moves...and you don't even follow what's happening. www.thebiglead.com/posts/san-diego-padres-aj-preller-change-01h8xebnfyghThis was written today by a good friend of mine and echoes a lot of the same things I've talked about in the past. If you think it's just about "better"....we are back to the surface level thinking that isn't enough. We do know the status quo isn't working, so clearly changes have to be made. Just assuming things will right themselves is foolish. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 8:08:55 GMT -8
Yet you want the manager fired, the GM fired, Grisham sent into orbit and a whole other slew of moves...and you don't even follow what's happening. www.thebiglead.com/posts/san-diego-padres-aj-preller-change-01h8xebnfyghThis was written today by a good friend of mine and echoes a lot of the same things I've talked about in the past. If you think it's just about "better"....we are back to the surface level thinking that isn't enough. We do know the status quo isn't working, so clearly changes have to be made. Just assuming things will right themselves is foolish. It's equally foolish to make change for the sake of change. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2023 8:10:32 GMT -8
We do know the status quo isn't working, so clearly changes have to be made. Just assuming things will right themselves is foolish. It's equally foolish to make change for the sake of change. Not in a case like this. The team is a total disaster. It was built to be a World Series Champion. There are serious problems here, and if they are not addressed they will continue. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 8:15:53 GMT -8
It's equally foolish to make change for the sake of change. Not in a case like this. The team is a total disaster. It was built to be a World Series Champion. There are serious problems here, and if they are not addressed they will continue. Your idea of change is to hire a new manager. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2023 8:21:52 GMT -8
Not in a case like this. The team is a total disaster. It was built to be a World Series Champion. There are serious problems here, and if they are not addressed they will continue. Your idea of change is to hire a new manager. And a new hitting coach. Yep. Melvin isn't doing well dealing with the personalities on this roster. That's not going to change. It's not who he is. Until someone can deal with the personality issues on this team nothing will change - they'll just keep on doing what they're doing. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 8:27:43 GMT -8
Your idea of change is to hire a new manager. And a new hitting coach. Yep. Melvin isn't doing well dealing with the personalities on this roster. That's not going to change. It's not who he is. Until someone can deal with the personality issues on this team nothing will change - they'll just keep on doing what they're doing. And this is surface level thinking that gets you nowhere, illustrating my point. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2023 8:41:33 GMT -8
And a new hitting coach. Yep. Melvin isn't doing well dealing with the personalities on this roster. That's not going to change. It's not who he is. Until someone can deal with the personality issues on this team nothing will change - they'll just keep on doing what they're doing. And this is surface level thinking that gets you nowhere, illustrating my point. Not surface level thinking at all. I'm actually trained in supervision and associate management. It's all about PERSONALITIES. The rest almost handles itself once you've gotten them to buy in. Melvin hasn't gotten anyone to buy in. They're doing what they want to do, not what he wants them to do. |
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