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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 27, 2023 16:35:25 GMT -8
You identified in detail what you believe the problems to be, but didn't give what you thought the solutions would be. Because it really doesn't matter what I think. I just know Melvin is not the problem, based on everyone I've talked to. He's going to be the scapegoat, though. I still say he's not a good fit. He's not the kind of guy who can be a babystitter and manage personalities. He's an analytics guy, not a people person. This roster needs a people person who can manage personalities. They also need a new hitting coach. And, in a perfect world, a new GM. If the rumors are true, and they promote Flaherty to be the new Manager? This team has no chance of getting to a World Series. You're right in one respect - they can do a lot worse than Melvin. They can do better, but they can also do a LOT worse.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 16:56:57 GMT -8
Because it really doesn't matter what I think. I just know Melvin is not the problem, based on everyone I've talked to. He's going to be the scapegoat, though. I still say he's not a good fit. He's not the kind of guy who can be a babystitter and manage personalities. He's an analytics guy, not a people person. This roster needs a people person who can manage personalities. They also need a new hitting coach. And, in a perfect world, a new GM. If the rumors are true, and they promote Flaherty to be the new Manager? This team has no chance of getting to a World Series. You're right in one respect - they can do a lot worse than Melvin. They can do better, but they can also do a LOT worse. You have yet to mention a name.
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Post by docmm on Aug 27, 2023 17:11:55 GMT -8
Because it really doesn't matter what I think. I just know Melvin is not the problem, based on everyone I've talked to. He's going to be the scapegoat, though. I still say he's not a good fit. He's not the kind of guy who can be a babystitter and manage personalities. He's an analytics guy, not a people person. This roster needs a people person who can manage personalities. They also need a new hitting coach.And, in a perfect world, a new GM. If the rumors are true, and they promote Flaherty to be the new Manager? This team has no chance of getting to a World Series. You're right in one respect - they can do a lot worse than Melvin. They can do better, but they can also do a LOT worse. Preller has had 7 or 8 hitting coaches during his tenure. It's not the hitting coach, it's the lazy-ass players. Who's having the best years: Snell, Hader, Kim Who's playing for new contacts: Snell, Hader, Kim Who's sucked most of the season; Manny, Bogaerts, Cronenworth Who got big, long-term contracts before this season: Manny, Bogaerts, Cronenworth
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 27, 2023 17:18:45 GMT -8
I still say he's not a good fit. He's not the kind of guy who can be a babystitter and manage personalities. He's an analytics guy, not a people person. This roster needs a people person who can manage personalities. They also need a new hitting coach. And, in a perfect world, a new GM. If the rumors are true, and they promote Flaherty to be the new Manager? This team has no chance of getting to a World Series. You're right in one respect - they can do a lot worse than Melvin. They can do better, but they can also do a LOT worse. You have yet to mention a name. You have yet to mention what Melvin's done well with the Padres.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 17:21:54 GMT -8
You have yet to mention a name. You have yet to mention what Melvin's done well with the Padres. Same guy who took the team to the NLCS last season without Fernando Tatis Jr. Managerial impact is highly overstated in most cases, but I think his biggest flaws have been normal stuff that every manager deals with.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2023 18:50:25 GMT -8
I've said before that I think it's more on the players on the offensive end. It seems as though they had the attitude of, if we simply walk on the field each and every game, our talent will get us there. I didn't see the same drive that they had last year, as well.
You can put some blame for those issues on Melvin, since he's the guy that's supposed to get them motivated and have the drive to not just get to the NLCS, but to win the World Series.
Having said that, trying to motivate a bunch of individuals is a hard thing to do. I say bring back Melvin. When the players decide to play for a World Series Championship, and not as individuals, he's the man you want at the helm.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 27, 2023 18:55:25 GMT -8
I've said before that I think it's more on the players on the offensive end. It seems as though they had the attitude of, if we simply walk on the field each and every game, our talent will get us there. I didn't see the same drive that they had last year, as well. You can put some blame for those issues on Melvin, since he's the guy that's supposed to get them motivated and have the drive to not just get to the NLCS, but to win the World Series. Having said that, trying to motivate a bunch of individuals is a hard thing to do. I say bring back Melvin. When the players decide to play for a World Series Championship, and not as individuals, he's the man you want at the helm. If he had won a World Series or two somewhere else, proving that he can get it done, I'd be with you. But he hasn't. And he doesn't seem capable of managing personalities. This team is loaded with strong personalities, and they need a manager with a stronger personality - someone who can actually LEAD them. These players need a manager who won't put up with their ego driven bull$#!+, but who will also reward and praise them when they do well. That's far more important than the game by game player moves.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2023 19:07:28 GMT -8
I've said before that I think it's more on the players on the offensive end. It seems as though they had the attitude of, if we simply walk on the field each and every game, our talent will get us there. I didn't see the same drive that they had last year, as well. You can put some blame for those issues on Melvin, since he's the guy that's supposed to get them motivated and have the drive to not just get to the NLCS, but to win the World Series. Having said that, trying to motivate a bunch of individuals is a hard thing to do. I say bring back Melvin. When the players decide to play for a World Series Championship, and not as individuals, he's the man you want at the helm. If he had won a World Series or two somewhere else, proving that he can get it done, I'd be with you. But he hasn't. And he doesn't seem capable of managing personalities. This team is loaded with strong personalities, and they need a manager with a stronger personality - someone who can actually LEAD them. These players need a manager who won't put up with their ego driven bull$#!+, but who will also reward and praise them when they do well. That's far more important than the game by game player moves. I don't blame anyone for feeling that Melvin should be fired. You may be right, but at this point, I say give him another shot, although I don't he's coming back. Not sure.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 19:07:44 GMT -8
I've said before that I think it's more on the players on the offensive end. It seems as though they had the attitude of, if we simply walk on the field each and every game, our talent will get us there. I didn't see the same drive that they had last year, as well. You can put some blame for those issues on Melvin, since he's the guy that's supposed to get them motivated and have the drive to not just get to the NLCS, but to win the World Series. Having said that, trying to motivate a bunch of individuals is a hard thing to do. I say bring back Melvin. When the players decide to play for a World Series Championship, and not as individuals, he's the man you want at the helm. If he had won a World Series or two somewhere else, proving that he can get it done, I'd be with you. But he hasn't. And he doesn't seem capable of managing personalities. This team is loaded with strong personalities, and they need a manager with a stronger personality - someone who can actually LEAD them. These players need a manager who won't put up with their ego driven bull$#!+, but who will also reward and praise them when they do well. That's far more important than the game by game player moves. Like...who?
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Post by aardvark on Aug 27, 2023 19:11:33 GMT -8
You believe that 6 players all individually suddenly went into the tank, despite the statistical improbability of that happening independently. I believe that the one common factor that they all had - the hitting coach - was more likely the problem. He couldn't get them right, and many of them actually got worse the longer they were here. Bogaerts got WORSE as the season went along and he got more coaching from our hitting coach. Bogaerts has had a wrist injury all season, aggravated by getting drilled by a Spencer Strider fastball in mid-April. Did getting hit by Strider aggravate the wrist injury Bogaerts sustained last season with Boston?
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Post by aardvark on Aug 27, 2023 19:17:13 GMT -8
I still say he's not a good fit. He's not the kind of guy who can be a babystitter and manage personalities. He's an analytics guy, not a people person. This roster needs a people person who can manage personalities. They also need a new hitting coach.And, in a perfect world, a new GM. If the rumors are true, and they promote Flaherty to be the new Manager? This team has no chance of getting to a World Series. You're right in one respect - they can do a lot worse than Melvin. They can do better, but they can also do a LOT worse. Preller has had 7 or 8 hitting coaches during his tenure. It's not the hitting coach, it's the lazy-ass players. Who's having the best years: Snell, Hader, Kim Who's playing for new contacts: Snell, Hader, Kim Who's sucked most of the season; Manny, Bogaerts, Cronenworth Who got big, long-term contracts before this season: Manny, Bogaerts, Cronenworth The Padres have had lots of hitting coaches since moving to Petco Park--not just under Preller.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 27, 2023 19:18:52 GMT -8
If he had won a World Series or two somewhere else, proving that he can get it done, I'd be with you. But he hasn't. And he doesn't seem capable of managing personalities. This team is loaded with strong personalities, and they need a manager with a stronger personality - someone who can actually LEAD them. These players need a manager who won't put up with their ego driven bull$#!+, but who will also reward and praise them when they do well. That's far more important than the game by game player moves. Like...who? Anyone who is willing to work with the Front Office and integrate analytics into decision making, at a bare minimum.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 19:30:09 GMT -8
Anyone who is willing to work with the Front Office and integrate analytics into decision making, at a bare minimum. That's about as generic as it gets.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 27, 2023 19:35:48 GMT -8
Anyone who is willing to work with the Front Office and integrate analytics into decision making, at a bare minimum. That's about as generic as it gets. Well I don't know why you are defending Melvin after he barred the front office from getting involved with the team. Especially when he deserves at least some of the blame for this team's bad performance in extra inning and one run games. And yeah, Preller deserves a lot of the blame for the performance of the rest of the coaching staff. How many games did a mediocre rookie throw 6 shutout innings against us, or 5 innings of 1 run ball? We've lost, what, 5 or so games this year due to our torrid advanced scouting? That's on Preller. So is this team's awful bullpen this year.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2023 19:45:55 GMT -8
That's about as generic as it gets. Well I don't know why you are defending Melvin after he barred the front office from getting involved with the team. Especially when he deserves at least some of the blame for this team's bad performance in extra inning and one run games. And yeah, Preller deserves a lot of the blame for the performance of the rest of the coaching staff. How many games did a mediocre rookie throw 6 shutout innings against us, or 5 innings of 1 run ball? We've lost, what, 5 or so games this year due to our torrid advanced scouting? That's on Preller. So is this team's awful bullpen this year. I'm defending him because it wasn't a decision made lightly or done for the reasons people think. I still want Erik to tell me who he thinks is going to manage this team if Melvin can't.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 27, 2023 19:51:09 GMT -8
Well I don't know why you are defending Melvin after he barred the front office from getting involved with the team. Especially when he deserves at least some of the blame for this team's bad performance in extra inning and one run games. And yeah, Preller deserves a lot of the blame for the performance of the rest of the coaching staff. How many games did a mediocre rookie throw 6 shutout innings against us, or 5 innings of 1 run ball? We've lost, what, 5 or so games this year due to our torrid advanced scouting? That's on Preller. So is this team's awful bullpen this year. I'm defending him because it wasn't a decision made lightly or done for the reasons people think. I still want Erik to tell me who he thinks is going to manage this team if Melvin can't. Yeah I'm not saying that he is a bad manager, but I am saying that the current situation isn't working and that he needs to be fired. Ideally fired now FWIW. Give someone internal a chance for the rest of the season. Let Flaherty be the interim manager, and find a new assistant coach for advance scouting ASAP.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2023 19:54:58 GMT -8
That's about as generic as it gets. Well I don't know why you are defending Melvin after he barred the front office from getting involved with the team. Especially when he deserves at least some of the blame for this team's bad performance in extra inning and one run games. And yeah, Preller deserves a lot of the blame for the performance of the rest of the coaching staff. How many games did a mediocre rookie throw 6 shutout innings against us, or 5 innings of 1 run ball? We've lost, what, 5 or so games this year due to our torrid advanced scouting? That's on Preller. So is this team's awful bullpen this year. Yeah, all good points. I think a lot of my reasoning for keeping Melvin is based on what the team did last year. I'm putting A LOT of the blame on the players for this year, and them resting on their laurels of last year. Playing like individuals this year. Melvins strategy has come into question at times, but I still think you give him another year. I'm certainly not as big of a fan of Preller as I used to be. It's hard for me to bag on Seidler, because he's willing to spend money and bring great talent in. There's no lack of effort there. Injuries on the pitching staff have also been a problem.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 27, 2023 20:33:12 GMT -8
I'm defending him because it wasn't a decision made lightly or done for the reasons people think. I still want Erik to tell me who he thinks is going to manage this team if Melvin can't. Yeah I'm not saying that he is a bad manager, but I am saying that the current situation isn't working and that he needs to be fired. Ideally fired now FWIW. Give someone internal a chance for the rest of the season. Let Flaherty be the interim manager, and find a new assistant coach for advance scouting ASAP. If you fire Melvin now, you just as well give Flaherty a multi-year deal to be manager, as he is probably going to get the job next year.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 27, 2023 20:44:05 GMT -8
Yeah I'm not saying that he is a bad manager, but I am saying that the current situation isn't working and that he needs to be fired. Ideally fired now FWIW. Give someone internal a chance for the rest of the season. Let Flaherty be the interim manager, and find a new assistant coach for advance scouting ASAP. If you fire Melvin now, you just as well give Flaherty a multi-year deal to be manager, as he is probably going to get the job next year. A rookie manager next year. Yee gawsh. That's just what they need. Sheesh.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 27, 2023 20:56:38 GMT -8
If you fire Melvin now, you just as well give Flaherty a multi-year deal to be manager, as he is probably going to get the job next year. A rookie manager next year. Yee gawsh. That's just what they need. Sheesh. It's been discussed on this site, and on the radio as well. Just not confirmed.
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