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Post by sdcoug on Apr 26, 2023 12:04:20 GMT -8
Correct it is very difficult to bring in a top rated player at the 5 position . Do not have any inside information about Shay Johnson but do know that he has had 2 years of learning the Aztecs defense - not that easy to master . would guess that Coug has the inside track about his progress in addition Elijah has had a season to learn it As we have watched transfers have a difficult time picking it up - even players that were rated all defensive team at their previous conference Except Mensah didn’t have a that hard time learning as a freshman. AG got double digits in minutes as a freshman. Skylar Spencer didn’t have problems as a freshman. DJohnson was getting pass over by Saunders this year. Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 26, 2023 15:23:34 GMT -8
Except Mensah didn’t have a that hard time learning as a freshman. AG got double digits in minutes as a freshman. Skylar Spencer didn’t have problems as a freshman. DJohnson was getting pass over by Saunders this year. Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. So you think that Shay is ready to be our rim protecting big in the middle? Or should we go after another transfer to be that guy? Honest question because I have no idea and haven't really seen him play at all
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 26, 2023 16:35:33 GMT -8
Except Mensah didn’t have a that hard time learning as a freshman. AG got double digits in minutes as a freshman. Skylar Spencer didn’t have problems as a freshman. DJohnson was getting pass over by Saunders this year. Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. Does Shay stay if WW comes…
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Post by laaztec on Apr 26, 2023 16:37:30 GMT -8
Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. Does Shay stay if WW comes… I hope he would. He's still pretty raw and could use some more refining.
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Post by standiego on Apr 26, 2023 16:44:41 GMT -8
WW is going to be a Grad transfer - has that happened or does he finish this spring/ summer ?
Would guess that Heide could red shirt If He chooses to
Shay could stay and back up WW - in a make it or break it season for development - Shay is supposed to be a decent defensive player and importantly has been at SDSU for 2 seasons - so knows the defense - something that not all transfers pick up that quickly - Shay would have 3 years remaining starting the 2023-24 season but of course it will be his decision on what he chooses to do .
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Post by ramrodd23 on Apr 26, 2023 17:03:25 GMT -8
Except Mensah didn’t have a that hard time learning as a freshman. AG got double digits in minutes as a freshman. Skylar Spencer didn’t have problems as a freshman. DJohnson was getting pass over by Saunders this year. Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. Saunders was coming in way before DJohnson. Yes or No? Did Saunders play more games yes or no? Nate would have played had a freshman. He defense alone would have got him mins. You know that already.
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Post by ramrodd23 on Apr 26, 2023 17:08:20 GMT -8
Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. Does Shay stay if WW comes… Or Brown coming here and redshirting.
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 26, 2023 19:42:18 GMT -8
Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. Saunders was coming in way before DJohnson. Yes or No? Did Saunders play more games yes or no? Nate would have played had a freshman. He defense alone would have got him mins. You know that already. Yeah I'm inclined to agree, you would just shift Stephens to the 4 in that hypothetical scenario.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 26, 2023 21:32:56 GMT -8
Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. Does Shay stay if WW comes… I think WW is a better fit, since he's just a 1 year deal. You wouldn't be stacking or blocking Shay to the same degree. Makes more sense than Brown, who would be here for 2+. As long as Shay believes he'd get 5-10 minutes and be in the to be the guy in '25 I could see him staying.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 26, 2023 21:35:31 GMT -8
Saunders didn't play the 5 when he came in, and even then he played in 15 game to Shay's 8. Shay was behind Nate & Ledee, both really good players who each wanted more minutes than they were getting. Why would you expect Shay to get minutes in that situation? Nate & AG as FR only had Narain on the roster as a fellow 5. When Skylar was a FR the only other "5" was Stephens, and he was undersized at 6'8. The situations even close to being comparable. If Nate would have had a Skylar & Stephens on the roster his FR year he'd have been in the same boat as Shay. Saunders was coming in way before DJohnson. Yes or No? Did Saunders play more games yes or no? Nate would have played had a freshman. He defense alone would have got him mins. You know that already. Saunders was the 10th man playing minutes at the 3 & 4, which has twice the minutes available. Shay didn't have the same opportunity. But you knew that. Nate wouldn't have played as a FR if he had 2 players the caliber of Nate & Jaedon in front of him, plus AG. Buy you knew that as well (I'd hope).
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Post by ramrodd23 on Apr 27, 2023 5:06:17 GMT -8
Saunders was coming in way before DJohnson. Yes or No? Did Saunders play more games yes or no? Nate would have played had a freshman. He defense alone would have got him mins. You know that already. Saunders was the 10th man playing minutes at the 3 & 4, which has twice the minutes available. Shay didn't have the same opportunity. But you knew that. Nate wouldn't have played as a FR if he had 2 players the caliber of Nate & Jaedon in front of him, plus AG. Buy you knew that as well (I'd hope). This is so weak. Saunders a true freshman had more games (16) in mop up duty. Than DJohnson a redshirt freshman 9 games. He could have gone in and AG or LeDee could have slid over to PF. But you knew that already. Lol. These come backs are hilarious. What is SDSU motto. If you don’t play defense you can’t play. You knew that already. Right? Well Mensah can play defense as a freshman. So he is playing period.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 27, 2023 6:30:29 GMT -8
If you have the chance to add Brown and he’s willing to redshirt you do it. He has areas to work on but could be a solid addition for the following year when Saunders and Heide might compete at the 4.
You add Washington for this season if you get the chance. You need a big man. You hope that Allick isn’t overly concerned about starting or minutes and wants to win. Shay gets the chance to backup Washington and compete with Brown for the starting spot next year.
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Post by standiego on Apr 27, 2023 8:15:59 GMT -8
Elijah was put in for the most part in the waning minutes of some games be it at the 4 or possibly the 3 depending on what other reserves were in the game . What position did he play in a few times during true game time is not that easy to determine .
As for what position he might play this up coming season be it the 4 or 3 or whatever will not be determined until the Coaches have finished their additions for the upcoming season and then even more importantly what things look like in Summer , and Fall practices when they have all the guys together .
Many Aztecs play multiple positions and it also depends on what 5 guys are on the floor
As for Brown it all depends on how the coaches think he compares to Shay - Heide or possible other transfers - there were some reports that other transfers might be visiting within the next few weeks
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 28, 2023 9:36:38 GMT -8
Saunders was the 10th man playing minutes at the 3 & 4, which has twice the minutes available. Shay didn't have the same opportunity. But you knew that. Nate wouldn't have played as a FR if he had 2 players the caliber of Nate & Jaedon in front of him, plus AG. Buy you knew that as well (I'd hope). This is so weak. Saunders a true freshman had more games (16) in mop up duty. Than DJohnson a redshirt freshman 9 games. He could have gone in and AG or LeDee could have slid over to PF. But you knew that already. Lol. These come backs are hilarious. What is SDSU motto. If you don’t play defense you can’t play. You knew that already. Right? Well Mensah can play defense as a freshman. So he is playing period. LOL. Seriously? You think a FR Mensah would be playing defense at the same level as a 5th year senior Mensah? Shay is behind a 5th year senior in Mensah & Ledee. That's 10x who was on the roster during Nate's FR year. If he had a player on par with him as a 5th year senior & a Ledee he would rarely have seen the floor. But you knew that (or I'm getting the feeling you didn't). It's not "weak", it's reality.
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Post by ramrodd23 on Apr 28, 2023 17:23:34 GMT -8
This is so weak. Saunders a true freshman had more games (16) in mop up duty. Than DJohnson a redshirt freshman 9 games. He could have gone in and AG or LeDee could have slid over to PF. But you knew that already. Lol. These come backs are hilarious. What is SDSU motto. If you don’t play defense you can’t play. You knew that already. Right? Well Mensah can play defense as a freshman. So he is playing period. LOL. Seriously? You think a FR Mensah would be playing defense at the same level as a 5th year senior Mensah? Shay is behind a 5th year senior in Mensah & Ledee. That's 10x who was on the roster during Nate's FR year. If he had a player on par with him as a 5th year senior & a Ledee he would rarely have seen the floor. But you knew that (or I'm getting the feeling you didn't). It's not "weak", it's reality. Clearly you forgot that AG and LeDee can slide to the 4. Which they did this year. Yes or No? So yes a freshman Mensah would have gotten minutes with a senior Mensah. You are seriously downplaying Mensah defense as a freshman. But, you knew that. Oh wait you don’t.
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Post by sdcoug on May 1, 2023 10:39:53 GMT -8
LOL. Seriously? You think a FR Mensah would be playing defense at the same level as a 5th year senior Mensah? Shay is behind a 5th year senior in Mensah & Ledee. That's 10x who was on the roster during Nate's FR year. If he had a player on par with him as a 5th year senior & a Ledee he would rarely have seen the floor. But you knew that (or I'm getting the feeling you didn't). It's not "weak", it's reality. Clearly you forgot that AG and LeDee can slide to the 4. Which they did this year. Yes or No? So yes a freshman Mensah would have gotten minutes with a senior Mensah. You are seriously downplaying Mensah defense as a freshman. But, you knew that. Oh wait you don’t. AG can slide to the 4; Ledee rarely did. You're obviously still ignoring the fact the players above Nate & Sky as FR are nowhere in the same class as those in front of Shay Johnson. Here's the bottom line- the coaching staff loves Shay. They think he has a strong future. They want him to get minutes this year because the only way for him to prove he can play at this level is to be a steady fixture in the line-up. We'll never agree on this so not going to waste any more time on it. I've been to practices, have seen Shay play, and have had a chance to talk to multiple coaches about him. I have my opinion you have yours. Done.
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Post by ramrodd23 on May 1, 2023 12:49:28 GMT -8
Clearly you forgot that AG and LeDee can slide to the 4. Which they did this year. Yes or No? So yes a freshman Mensah would have gotten minutes with a senior Mensah. You are seriously downplaying Mensah defense as a freshman. But, you knew that. Oh wait you don’t. AG can slide to the 4; Ledee rarely did. You're obviously still ignoring the fact the players above Nate & Sky as FR are nowhere in the same class as those in front of Shay Johnson. Here's the bottom line- the coaching staff loves Shay. They think he has a strong future. They want him to get minutes this year because the only way for him to prove he can play at this level is to be a steady fixture in the line-up. We'll never agree on this so not going to waste any more time on it. I've been to practices, have seen Shay play, and have had a chance to talk to multiple coaches about him. I have my opinion you have yours. Done. But, LeDee did slid to the 4 at the end of the season. Please, you damn well know Mensah as a freshman would have gotten mins in this team. Stop going in denial mode. Shay Johnson hasn’t been talked about after the national title game. Go find me a interview where Dutcher or assistants talk about him? Their is none. They talk about Byrd and Saunders and say nothing on Shay. Am I wrong? Oh hear it comes, I talk to the coaches spiel. You said that when KJ was going to be a sophomore and said he going to be the next SDSU superstar by the coaches. So I’ll hold my breath on your talk to the coaches. Yeah, you are definitely done.
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Post by azteccc on May 1, 2023 19:45:46 GMT -8
AG can slide to the 4; Ledee rarely did. You're obviously still ignoring the fact the players above Nate & Sky as FR are nowhere in the same class as those in front of Shay Johnson. Here's the bottom line- the coaching staff loves Shay. They think he has a strong future. They want him to get minutes this year because the only way for him to prove he can play at this level is to be a steady fixture in the line-up. We'll never agree on this so not going to waste any more time on it. I've been to practices, have seen Shay play, and have had a chance to talk to multiple coaches about him. I have my opinion you have yours. Done. But, LeDee did slid to the 4 at the end of the season. Please, you damn well know Mensah as a freshman would have gotten mins in this team. Stop going in denial mode. Shay Johnson hasn’t been talked about after the national title game. Go find me a interview where Dutcher or assistants talk about him? Their is none. They talk about Byrd and Saunders and say nothing on Shay. Am I wrong? Oh hear it comes, I talk to the coaches spiel. You said that when KJ was going to be a sophomore and said he going to be the next SDSU superstar by the coaches. So I’ll hold my breath on your talk to the coaches. Yeah, you are definitely done. LeDee spent most of his minutes all season with AG low but I have absolutely no interest in continuing these arguments with the couple psotters who have made up their minds. What I don’t get is those people seemingly don’t understand how our defense works and why Ledee is wholly unequipped to be the anchor on that end… he can defend 4s approximately 900x more effectively than he would be with penetration funneled to him.
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Post by standiego on May 2, 2023 7:28:18 GMT -8
NBA events and then the evals should give Ledee some valued information about what he might want to work on . Would guess that he goes over the information with the coaches to make sure he is doing what is best for him And the Team .
Per Zeigler when he asked Ledee he has said he would like more time at the 4 but will do what the coaches feel is best for the team .
IMO he is the top player in the front court so the coaches might want to see what are the best ways to maximize his talents - it could be important for him to be a consistent 15 -20 point scorer a game .
It also depends on whom the Aztecs can sign - a lot of chatter about a few players but getting them to Commit to SDSU is what counts -
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Post by sdsuball on May 2, 2023 17:10:20 GMT -8
This is so weak. Saunders a true freshman had more games (16) in mop up duty. Than DJohnson a redshirt freshman 9 games. He could have gone in and AG or LeDee could have slid over to PF. But you knew that already. Lol. These come backs are hilarious. What is SDSU motto. If you don’t play defense you can’t play. You knew that already. Right? Well Mensah can play defense as a freshman. So he is playing period. LOL. Seriously? You think a FR Mensah would be playing defense at the same level as a 5th year senior Mensah? Shay is behind a 5th year senior in Mensah & Ledee. That's 10x who was on the roster during Nate's FR year. If he had a player on par with him as a 5th year senior & a Ledee he would rarely have seen the floor. But you knew that (or I'm getting the feeling you didn't). It's not "weak", it's reality. Mensah's defense as a freshmen was still very good. Good enough to play 15+ minutes a game on most Aztecs teams. If we had a 5th year senior version of Mensah, as well as a first year version of Mensah, we would give the 5th year version 25 minutes and the freshmen version 15 minutes, and we would shift LeDee/AG/DeShawn Stephens/Yanni/Malik Pope/Zylan Cheatham (whatever Aztec team you want to make this comparison with) to the 4. Pretty much the only players that we wouldn't shift to the 4 in that scenario are Skylar Spencer or Malcolm Thomas.I also don't know why you are comparing Mensah as a freshmen to Mensah as a 5th year senior, because Shay isn't a first year player in the program? Yet Saunders is, and got more minutes then Shay (and he's right, you could just shift LeDee or AG to PF if Shay was so talented that we had to fit him on the floor). Bottom line is, it doesn't inspire much confidence in Shay's abilities as a 5. He's probably a 10-15 minute a game backup for us, ala Angelo Chol or similar.
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