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Aug 18, 2023 13:28:27 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 13:28:27 GMT -8
Salas is currently in a 6-49 slump (5-29 in FtW) between his last days at LE and his first games in Fort Wayne. Curious to see how long it takes for him to adjust to the better pitching in the Midwest League, and continue his development. Cautiously optimistic.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:01:34 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 14:01:34 GMT -8
Salas is currently in a 6-49 slump (5-29 in FtW) between his last days at LE and his first games in Fort Wayne. Curious to see how long it takes for him to adjust to the better pitching in the Midwest League, and continue his development. Cautiously optimistic. The pitcher he faced two days ago was 24. He's going to have bouts of this, just like any other prospect. What you want to look for are things beyond this: Swinging strike rate, strikeout rate, quality of contact...stuff that actually matters. The slash line is going to be ugly because it's supposed to be.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:47:10 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 14:47:10 GMT -8
The pitcher he faced two days ago was 24. He's going to have bouts of this, just like any other prospect. What you want to look for are things beyond this: Swinging strike rate, strikeout rate, quality of contact...stuff that actually matters. The slash line is going to be ugly because it's supposed to be. I get ALL of that. After previously taking all of that into account, and MORE, like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic. He can go 0-40 and I'd still be cautiously optimistic. There's no way you give up on a guy of that talent. I personally want to see how he does against stiffer competition and more time, before I give him that HOF status that you seem to be giving him already.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:54:45 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 14:54:45 GMT -8
The pitcher he faced two days ago was 24. He's going to have bouts of this, just like any other prospect. What you want to look for are things beyond this: Swinging strike rate, strikeout rate, quality of contact...stuff that actually matters. The slash line is going to be ugly because it's supposed to be. I get ALL of that. After previously taking all of that into account, and MORE, like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic. He can go 0-40 and I'd still be cautiously optimistic. There's no way you give up on a guy of that talent. I personally want to see how he does against stiffer competition and more time, before I give him that HOF status that you seem to be giving him already. Yeah, I work for MLB Pipeline, FanGraphs, Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, ESPN and the Athletic. Stiffer competition? Are we paying attention? What he's doing right now is unprecedented, anywhere, at this age. There's no historical parallel. This IS stiffer competition. He's supposed to be in high school.
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Salas
Aug 18, 2023 15:41:40 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 15:41:40 GMT -8
I get ALL of that. After previously taking all of that into account, and MORE, like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic. He can go 0-40 and I'd still be cautiously optimistic. There's no way you give up on a guy of that talent. I personally want to see how he does against stiffer competition and more time, before I give him that HOF status that you seem to be giving him already. Yeah, I work for MLB Pipeline, FanGraphs, Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, ESPN and the Athletic. Stiffer competition? Are we paying attention? What he's doing right now is unprecedented, anywhere, at this age. There's no historical parallel. This IS stiffer competition. He's supposed to be in high school. I don't care who you work for. Don't know why you brought that up. Weird. Yeah, he's doing great for his age, that's for sure. Nobody's saying anything different. Just because he's playing at this level right now doesn't mean you shouldn't still be cautiously optimistic. Sheesh. Are YOU paying attention? There's been PLENTY of phenoms who were can't missed that have fizzled out. Of course it's stiffer competition and it's going to get much stiffer. He's plenty young enough to make adjustments throughout his career. We'll see how it goes.
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Salas
Aug 18, 2023 16:09:45 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 16:09:45 GMT -8
Yeah, I work for MLB Pipeline, FanGraphs, Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, ESPN and the Athletic. Stiffer competition? Are we paying attention? What he's doing right now is unprecedented, anywhere, at this age. There's no historical parallel. This IS stiffer competition. He's supposed to be in high school. I don't care who you work for. Don't know why you brought that up. Weird. Yeah, he's doing great for his age, that's for sure. Nobody's saying anything different. Just because he's playing at this level right now doesn't mean you shouldn't still be cautiously optimistic. Sheesh. Are YOU paying attention? There's been PLENTY of phenoms who were can't missed that have fizzled out. Of course it's stiffer competition and it's going to get much stiffer. He's plenty young enough to make adjustments throughout his career. We'll see how it goes. I brought it up because you said I put him in the Hall of Fame, where it's not me, but literally every publication in the space has labeled him as a future superstar. It's not just me supplying the hype. He's a consensus top ten prospect inside of seven months by every objective evaluation. You overgeneralize everything, to your own detriment. Who is the last catcher of this caliber to bust? Again, this is where actually having a clue about data helps. Hit tool? It's there. Power? It's there. Pitch recognition? It's there. His contact rates, adjusted for his age, are some of the best *ever.* Could he get hurt? Of course. Short of an injury, he's an impact big leaguer and one of the best catchers in baseball. There's no real doubt about that right now. His floor alone makes him a big leaguer.
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Aug 18, 2023 17:34:06 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 17:34:06 GMT -8
I don't care who you work for. Don't know why you brought that up. Weird. Yeah, he's doing great for his age, that's for sure. Nobody's saying anything different. Just because he's playing at this level right now doesn't mean you shouldn't still be cautiously optimistic. Sheesh. Are YOU paying attention? There's been PLENTY of phenoms who were can't missed that have fizzled out. Of course it's stiffer competition and it's going to get much stiffer. He's plenty young enough to make adjustments throughout his career. We'll see how it goes. I brought it up because you said I put him in the Hall of Fame, where it's not me, but literally every publication in the space has labeled him as a future superstar. It's not just me supplying the hype. He's a consensus top ten prospect inside of seven months by every objective evaluation. You overgeneralize everything, to your own detriment. Who is the last catcher of this caliber to bust? Again, this is where actually having a clue about data helps. Hit tool? It's there. Power? It's there. Pitch recognition? It's there. His contact rates, adjusted for his age, are some of the best *ever.* Could he get hurt? Of course. Short of an injury, he's an impact big leaguer and one of the best catchers in baseball. There's no real doubt about that right now. His floor alone makes him a big leaguer. You're too funny. "To my own detriment." How dramatic. Lol. Just because your buddies say that he's a can't miss, doesn't mean it's true. It's not a generalization for me to say that I'm cautiously optimistic. It's a normal, responsible reaction, especially for how young he is. I have high hopes, but I'm not licking his boots like you are, quite yet.
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Aug 18, 2023 17:52:21 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 17:52:21 GMT -8
I brought it up because you said I put him in the Hall of Fame, where it's not me, but literally every publication in the space has labeled him as a future superstar. It's not just me supplying the hype. He's a consensus top ten prospect inside of seven months by every objective evaluation. You overgeneralize everything, to your own detriment. Who is the last catcher of this caliber to bust? Again, this is where actually having a clue about data helps. Hit tool? It's there. Power? It's there. Pitch recognition? It's there. His contact rates, adjusted for his age, are some of the best *ever.* Could he get hurt? Of course. Short of an injury, he's an impact big leaguer and one of the best catchers in baseball. There's no real doubt about that right now. His floor alone makes him a big leaguer. You're too funny. "To my own detriment." How dramatic. Lol. Just because your buddies say that he's a can't miss, doesn't mean it's true. It's not a generalization for me to say that I'm cautiously optimistic. It's a normal, responsible reaction, especially for how young he is. I have high hopes, but I'm not licking his boots like you are, quite yet. But it is to your own detriment....because I can tell right away you aren't following the situation and have no real concept of the underlying story. "How many phenoms bust" is the wrong question. With international players, you can pretty much tell right away who is going to be an impact guy and who isn't. The issues are far more specific than they are with the domestic draft. Can the player hit, even complex level pitching? Can they field? Can they identify spin and recognize breaking balls? Once again, it's not me driving the bus. It's talent evaluators, scouts, general managers and executives....not my "buddies."
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Salas
Aug 18, 2023 18:02:32 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 18:02:32 GMT -8
You're too funny. "To my own detriment." How dramatic. Lol. Just because your buddies say that he's a can't miss, doesn't mean it's true. It's not a generalization for me to say that I'm cautiously optimistic. It's a normal, responsible reaction, especially for how young he is. I have high hopes, but I'm not licking his boots like you are, quite yet. But it is to your own detriment....because I can tell right away you aren't following the situation and have no real concept of the underlying story. "How many phenoms bust" is the wrong question. With international players, you can pretty much tell right away who is going to be an impact guy and who isn't. The issues are far more specific than they are with the domestic draft. Can the player hit, even complex level pitching? Can they field? Can they identify spin and recognize breaking balls? Once again, it's not me driving the bus. It's talent evaluators, scouts, general managers and executives....not my "buddies." Myself, and other people I know in the MLB business feel the same way I do. If you're an exec, etc, and you've been wrong, or have been burned before by so called phenoms, or can't miss guys, you use the saying that I'm using which is cautiously optimistic. If someone has a personal attachment to a player, then I understand that they may say what you're saying. He's too young to put the label on that you are. I can go with, "He's a can't miss Big Leaguer right now", but never an All Star, Hall Of Famer, quite yet. This is just another example of you not understanding how everybody else doesn't see it your way, or your associates way, but it's the only way to see it at this point, at his age.
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Aug 18, 2023 18:42:38 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 18:42:38 GMT -8
But it is to your own detriment....because I can tell right away you aren't following the situation and have no real concept of the underlying story. "How many phenoms bust" is the wrong question. With international players, you can pretty much tell right away who is going to be an impact guy and who isn't. The issues are far more specific than they are with the domestic draft. Can the player hit, even complex level pitching? Can they field? Can they identify spin and recognize breaking balls? Once again, it's not me driving the bus. It's talent evaluators, scouts, general managers and executives....not my "buddies." Myself, and other people I know in the MLB business feel the same way I do. If you're an exec, etc, and you've been wrong, or have been burned before by so called phenoms, or can't miss guys, you use the saying that I'm using which is cautiously optimistic. If someone has a personal attachment to a player, then I understand that they may say what you're saying. He's too young to put the label on that you are. I can go with, "He's a can't miss Big Leaguer right now", but never an All Star, Hall Of Famer, quite yet. This is just another example of you not understanding how everybody else doesn't see it your way, or your associates way, but it's the only way to see it at this point, at his age. But virtually everyone else....does. Including the only people who matter in the situation. You're lost here, so I'm not going to bother any further.
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Salas
Aug 18, 2023 19:16:35 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 19:16:35 GMT -8
Myself, and other people I know in the MLB business feel the same way I do. If you're an exec, etc, and you've been wrong, or have been burned before by so called phenoms, or can't miss guys, you use the saying that I'm using which is cautiously optimistic. If someone has a personal attachment to a player, then I understand that they may say what you're saying. He's too young to put the label on that you are. I can go with, "He's a can't miss Big Leaguer right now", but never an All Star, Hall Of Famer, quite yet. This is just another example of you not understanding how everybody else doesn't see it your way, or your associates way, but it's the only way to see it at this point, at his age. But virtually everyone else....does. Including the only people who matter in the situation. You're lost here, so I'm not going to bother any further. Anybody who says they're cautiously optimistic is absolutely not lost. People who are crowning him a Hall Of Famer, and more than All Star at this point, are absolutely lost.
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Aug 18, 2023 20:30:43 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 20:30:43 GMT -8
But virtually everyone else....does. Including the only people who matter in the situation. You're lost here, so I'm not going to bother any further. Anybody who says they're cautiously optimistic is absolutely not lost. People who are crowning him a Hall Of Famer, and more than All Star at this point, are absolutely lost. Just so I'm clear - You disagree with Keith Law, Kiley McDaniel, Eric Longenhagen and professional scouts/player personnel folks?
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Salas
Aug 18, 2023 21:03:18 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 21:03:18 GMT -8
Anybody who says they're cautiously optimistic is absolutely not lost. People who are crowning him a Hall Of Famer, and more than All Star at this point, are absolutely lost. Just so I'm clear - You disagree with Keith Law, Kiley McDaniel, Eric Longenhagen and professional scouts/player personnel folks? Absolutely, if they're calling him a for sure All Star Player and a certain future Hall Of Famer at this point in his career. That it's a done deal. Are they calling him a for sure All Star Player a a for sure Hall Of Fame? Or, are they saying he has that potential?
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Aug 18, 2023 21:19:05 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 21:19:05 GMT -8
Just so I'm clear - You disagree with Keith Law, Kiley McDaniel, Eric Longenhagen and professional scouts/player personnel folks? Absolutely, if they're calling him a for sure All Star Player and a certain future Hall Of Famer at this point in his career. That it's a done deal. Are they calling him a for sure All Star Player a a for sure Hall Of Fame? Or, are they saying he has that potential? I'm not getting caught up in your mental gymnastics to validate your "cautious optimism" but you're welcome to read all the evaluations out there. The one I posted is from the ESPN midseason top 50. Nobody has called him a certain Hall of Fame player yet, outside of the New York Post.
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Aug 18, 2023 21:52:08 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Aug 18, 2023 21:52:08 GMT -8
Salas 1-3 tonight with a double to drive in the first FW run, then scores on the next batter's 2 run HR.
3-2 Tin Caps final.
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Aug 18, 2023 22:07:07 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2023 22:07:07 GMT -8
Absolutely, if they're calling him a for sure All Star Player and a certain future Hall Of Famer at this point in his career. That it's a done deal. Are they calling him a for sure All Star Player a a for sure Hall Of Fame? Or, are they saying he has that potential? I'm not getting caught up in your mental gymnastics to validate your "cautious optimism" but you're welcome to read all the evaluations out there. The one I posted is from the ESPN midseason top 50. Nobody has called him a certain Hall of Fame player yet, outside of the New York Post. The only person that's playing mental gymnastics is you. I plainly said that if ANYBODY was going to call him a Hall Of Famer, and a for sure All Star Player at this point in his career, I wouldn't agree with that. Not mental gymnastics. Succinct. You didn't deny that that's what they're saying, and I said I didn't agree with that. I said that I was cautiously optimistic. If they're only saying that he has potential to be a Hall Of Famer in the future, I agree with that. So, which is it? They think he has the POTENTIAL to be a future Hall Of Famer, or he WILL be? Huge difference.
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Salas
Aug 19, 2023 8:02:08 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2023 8:02:08 GMT -8
I'm not getting caught up in your mental gymnastics to validate your "cautious optimism" but you're welcome to read all the evaluations out there. The one I posted is from the ESPN midseason top 50. Nobody has called him a certain Hall of Fame player yet, outside of the New York Post. The only person that's playing mental gymnastics is you. I plainly said that if ANYBODY was going to call him a Hall Of Famer, and a for sure All Star Player at this point in his career, I wouldn't agree with that. Not mental gymnastics. Succinct. You didn't deny that that's what they're saying, and I said I didn't agree with that. I said that I was cautiously optimistic. If they're only saying that he has potential to be a Hall Of Famer in the future, I agree with that. So, which is it? They think he has the POTENTIAL to be a future Hall Of Famer, or he WILL be? Huge difference. As tiring as you are, mental gymnastics is exactly = "Do they say he has potential to be ______ or are they guaranteeing it." You're trying to use an obviously stupid argument. Read the evaluations. It's fun. Enjoy the ride.
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Aug 19, 2023 8:17:04 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 19, 2023 8:17:04 GMT -8
The only person that's playing mental gymnastics is you. I plainly said that if ANYBODY was going to call him a Hall Of Famer, and a for sure All Star Player at this point in his career, I wouldn't agree with that. Not mental gymnastics. Succinct. You didn't deny that that's what they're saying, and I said I didn't agree with that. I said that I was cautiously optimistic. If they're only saying that he has potential to be a Hall Of Famer in the future, I agree with that. So, which is it? They think he has the POTENTIAL to be a future Hall Of Famer, or he WILL be? Huge difference. As tiring as you are, mental gymnastics is exactly = "Do they say he has potential to be ______ or are they guaranteeing it." You're trying to use an obviously stupid argument. Read the evaluations. It's fun. Enjoy the ride. No mental gymnastics there. They are two very different issues. I hope he becomes the greatest catcher in the history of the game. We'll see.
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Salas
Aug 20, 2023 14:36:01 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2023 14:36:01 GMT -8
Wow.
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Aug 20, 2023 16:30:28 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Aug 20, 2023 16:30:28 GMT -8
8 for his last 55. Frankly, I think it's silly to move him to AA.
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