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Sept 6, 2023 9:58:00 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2023 9:58:00 GMT -8
Yes he is. No reason to rush. Second time you've said that.
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Salas
Sept 6, 2023 10:23:19 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 6, 2023 10:23:19 GMT -8
Yeah, and you can still have a weakness at that age. I played with guys that couldn't hit a curve ball in high school, and that ended up being the reason they were released in the Minors. LOT'S of players in that category. You're *supposed* to have a "weakness" at that age. I don't care about your experiences in high school, they aren't relevant here. He's the age of a high school junior facing pitchers six or seven years older than he is in a tough hitting environment, coming from the international ranks. You said before that that didn't matter, but it absolutely does. Everyone knew the results would tail off towards the end of the season. At the same time, nobody in a player development sense is going to worry about a small sample size of at-bats in a league where he's the youngest player by more than two years. When Fernando was promoted to Double-A during his age 18 season, he posted a .608 OPS and a .281 OBP. Does anyone care about that now? Of course not. The same thing has happened to other prospects; not everyone hits the ground running. Another reading comprehension issue from you. I said IF he has a glaring weakness. And, I understand he's very young, but these advanced coaches can detect if he does have a certain weakness(es) and then fix it, hopefully. Catchers can get the call up only because of their defensive skills, so In his case if he does end up having hitting issues, he can still advance. You may want to dismiss my experiences, but they're real, and they're real for A LOT of people. They were real for me not only in H.S., but also in college and in the Minor Leagues. You can have a tendency that's very difficult to get rid of, and they expose you. Some overcome them, and some don't. He would have plenty of time to fix it. Again, like I said, you can have the inability, for example, to hit the curve ball in high school as a 16, 17 or 18 year old and never overcome it. He seems extraordinarily talented, so I doubt he can't be taught to overcome issues if he has them.
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Salas
Sept 6, 2023 10:24:10 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 6, 2023 10:24:10 GMT -8
Yes he is. No reason to rush. Second time you've said that. Because, it's very important they don't.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 6, 2023 11:26:27 GMT -8
Yes he is. No reason to rush. Second time you've said that. You are correct. And it was referring to Salas, and no one else, as I have now also said twice
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Salas
Sept 6, 2023 11:35:50 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2023 11:35:50 GMT -8
Second time you've said that. You are correct. And it was referring to Salas, and no one else, as I have now also said twice I agree, but the talent will win out eventually. Especially with Campusano now starting to look like a legitimate option and the probability of Sanchez returning, there's no immediate or urgent need.
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Salas
Sept 6, 2023 12:10:47 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on Sept 6, 2023 12:10:47 GMT -8
You are correct. And it was referring to Salas, and no one else, as I have now also said twice I agree, but the talent will win out eventually. Especially with Campusano now starting to look like a legitimate option and the probability of Sanchez returning, there's no immediate or urgent need. I hope that we are resigning Gary....
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Salas
Sept 6, 2023 12:16:14 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2023 12:16:14 GMT -8
I agree, but the talent will win out eventually. Especially with Campusano now starting to look like a legitimate option and the probability of Sanchez returning, there's no immediate or urgent need. I hope that we are resigning Gary.... Don't know, but he'll get paid somewhere. Campusano is the bigger piece here, though.
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Salas
Dec 14, 2023 7:58:08 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 14, 2023 7:58:08 GMT -8
Pretty incredible to read for a player who won't turn 18 until June 1st. Some Padre front office members believe Salas could debut in 2024.
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Salas
Dec 14, 2023 12:12:04 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on Dec 14, 2023 12:12:04 GMT -8
Pretty incredible to read for a player who won't turn 18 until June 1st. Some Padre front office members believe Salas could debut in 2024. I find it ironic that Gary Sanchez, the catcher that we are letting walk that we could sign for $8M a year, is mentioned in this article as someone who we are comparing Salas to. Isn't that a sign that maybe this Gary Sanchez guy (who raked for us in 2023) is being undervalued just a little bit because of his struggles before we got him in 2023?
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Salas
Dec 14, 2023 12:17:08 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 14, 2023 12:17:08 GMT -8
Pretty incredible to read for a player who won't turn 18 until June 1st. Some Padre front office members believe Salas could debut in 2024. I find it ironic that Gary Sanchez, the catcher that we are letting walk that we could sign for $8M a year, is mentioned in this article as someone who we are comparing Salas to. Isn't that a sign that maybe this Gary Sanchez guy (who raked for us in 2023) is being undervalued just a little bit because of his struggles before we got him in 2023? No. All they are talking about with Sanchez is his raw power (that he really couldn't tap into games consistently as a prospect in comparison to the scouting report expectations) and that's pretty much it. Payroll constraints mean you can't pay $8M for a backup catcher.
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Salas
Dec 14, 2023 12:23:47 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on Dec 14, 2023 12:23:47 GMT -8
I find it ironic that Gary Sanchez, the catcher that we are letting walk that we could sign for $8M a year, is mentioned in this article as someone who we are comparing Salas to. Isn't that a sign that maybe this Gary Sanchez guy (who raked for us in 2023) is being undervalued just a little bit because of his struggles before we got him in 2023? No. All they are talking about with Sanchez is his raw power (that he really couldn't tap into games consistently as a prospect in comparison to the scouting report expectations) and that's pretty much it. Payroll constraints mean you can't pay $8M for a backup catcher. Tapped into it pretty consistently last year: 19 HR's in 240 at bats. That's a good enough rate to pay him 8 million - he can DH when he's not catching. If this were the NL pre-DH I would agree, but with the DH it doesn't matter if he's a backup or a primary catcher because he brings so much value with his bat. Plus catchers get injured a lot. Even has the 'backup' catcher he will get a lot of starts.
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Salas
Dec 14, 2023 12:26:04 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 14, 2023 12:26:04 GMT -8
No. All they are talking about with Sanchez is his raw power (that he really couldn't tap into games consistently as a prospect in comparison to the scouting report expectations) and that's pretty much it. Payroll constraints mean you can't pay $8M for a backup catcher. Tapped into it pretty consistently last year: 19 HR's in 240 at bats. That's a good enough rate to pay him 8 million - he can DH when he's not catching. If this were the NL pre-DH I would agree, but with the DH it doesn't matter if he's a backup or a primary catcher because he brings so much value with his bat. Plus catchers get injured a lot. Even has the 'backup' catcher he will get a lot of starts. You're not spending $8M on a DH either, especially one who is going to require a multi-year deal coming off a broken wrist. Higashioka is the backup catcher and he's considerably cheaper.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:03:31 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Dec 14, 2023 13:03:31 GMT -8
No. All they are talking about with Sanchez is his raw power (that he really couldn't tap into games consistently as a prospect in comparison to the scouting report expectations) and that's pretty much it. Payroll constraints mean you can't pay $8M for a backup catcher. Tapped into it pretty consistently last year: 19 HR's in 240 at bats. That's a good enough rate to pay him 8 million - he can DH when he's not catching. If this were the NL pre-DH I would agree, but with the DH it doesn't matter if he's a backup or a primary catcher because he brings so much value with his bat. Plus catchers get injured a lot. Even has the 'backup' catcher he will get a lot of starts. The Padres are cutting payroll. $8 million for a backup catcher makes no sense. None. Also, averaging half a season of games the last 3 seasons, Higashioka hit 10 HR's each of those last 3 seasons. I'll take that from any back-up catcher--especially one making a lot less than $8 million.
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Salas
Dec 14, 2023 13:22:30 GMT -8
Post by TPAztec on Dec 14, 2023 13:22:30 GMT -8
Tapped into it pretty consistently last year: 19 HR's in 240 at bats. That's a good enough rate to pay him 8 million - he can DH when he's not catching. If this were the NL pre-DH I would agree, but with the DH it doesn't matter if he's a backup or a primary catcher because he brings so much value with his bat. Plus catchers get injured a lot. Even has the 'backup' catcher he will get a lot of starts. The Padres are cutting payroll. $8 million for a backup catcher makes no sense. None. Also, averaging half a season of games the last 3 seasons, Higashioka hit 10 HR's each of those last 3 seasons. I'll take that from any back-up catcher--especially one making a lot less than $8 million. Hig is also miles better defensively compared to Sanchez.
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Salas
Dec 14, 2023 13:49:12 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Dec 14, 2023 13:49:12 GMT -8
The Padres are cutting payroll. $8 million for a backup catcher makes no sense. None. Also, averaging half a season of games the last 3 seasons, Higashioka hit 10 HR's each of those last 3 seasons. I'll take that from any back-up catcher--especially one making a lot less than $8 million. Hig is also miles better defensively compared to Sanchez. Not too sure he is miles better, as Sanchez is better than Higashioka in caught stealing % (and light years better than Campusano). Giving credit to Higashioka however to just catching the baseball, as he is much better than Sanchez regarding passed balls.
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Post by TPAztec on Dec 14, 2023 13:52:07 GMT -8
Hig is also miles better defensively compared to Sanchez. Not too sure he is miles better, as Sanchez is better than Higashioka in caught stealing % (and light years better than Campusano). Giving credit to Higashioka however to just catching the baseball, as he is much better than Sanchez regarding passed balls. Pretty sure his framing metrics are also better. However, he's gonna back up campy, and he's cheaper than sanchez.
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Salas
Jan 31, 2024 8:18:26 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 31, 2024 8:18:26 GMT -8
Unreal.
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Salas
Jan 31, 2024 10:34:56 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 31, 2024 10:34:56 GMT -8
@kileymcd on #Padres top prospect Ethan Salas: "I'll cut to the chase. This scouting report is going to read like a long list of superlatives with the only negatives being the generic risks of Salas' player demographic. He's already that good after signing as a 16-year-old just 12 months ago. Salas was on the scouting radar about as early on as a prospect can be, basically right after he aged out of Little League. Almost all top international prospects agree to deals well ahead of officially signing, but with the risks around agreeing to a verbal deal with a 14-year-old along with the recruiting and relationship-building processes, often it becomes clear along the way which team the player will land with and a deal is struck early for something like half of that team's $5-6 million international bonus pool. Salas was the subject of an early bidding war which is why the Padres gave him $5.6 million to close the deal. He signed last January 15, the first day he was able to sign, and since he was young for the signing class, he was still 16 years old. Sometimes the hype can get out of control for elite international signees -- like it did with Jasson Dominguez, who had so much buzz that his now reaching the big leagues at age 20 and being in the top half of the Top 100 for his entire pro career is still below some fans' expectations. Salas entered pro ball with comparable expectations ... and smashed them in his first season. He caught in a big league spring training game and continued to wow the Padres staff in extended spring training, so he skipped the DSL and domestic complex league completely and started in Low-A, where he hit 22% above league average as (I'm screaming this part) A 16-YEAR-OLD CATCHER. On top of that, he hits left-handed, is bilingual and is already a standout defender and thrower with above-average athleticism. Most teams would have left Salas at Low-A the rest of the season, maybe even shut him down early to limit his workload, but the Padres are one of the most aggressive franchises when it comes to prospect promotions. After turning 17 while still in Low-A, Salas was promoted to High-A for nine games and then again to Double-A for nine more games. The Padres clearly think Salas has the goods from top to bottom. Here's what I see: He has above-average tools across the board, along with feel and playability that is already reflecting in his surface and underlying numbers. Defensively he has an incredibly rare feel for the nuances of catching at this stage, and, most importantly, his team clearly thinks he has the makeup and focus to handle the hype and challenge of these assignments at such a young age. We are truly in uncharted territory in terms of talent and advanced skill set, but we're also talking about a young catching prospect -- the second-most variable and risky subset of prospect, behind hard-throwing young pitchers. There are so many unforeseen things that can go wrong with young catchers, but it seems silly to bet against Salas handling anything that's within his control. If he does something close to what he did in 2023 again during the 2024 season, he'll be the top prospect in baseball".
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Salas
Feb 1, 2024 9:18:00 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 1, 2024 9:18:00 GMT -8
ESPN's bold predictions: Salas gets "a taste of the big leagues" as an 18-year-old.
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