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Jun 6, 2022 12:36:15 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 12:36:15 GMT -8
Since April 16th: 11.39 K/9 - 7th best in MLB 1.27 ERA - 2nd best in MLB 1.80 FIP - Leads MLB 31.8 K% - 4th in MLB 1.7 fWAR - 6th in MLB He's been the best starter on the staff for the Padres and it's not really all that close. Not really all that close? Joe Musgrove would like a word with you. What are Joe's stats compared to Gore? Glad you asked.
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Jun 6, 2022 12:37:10 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 12:37:10 GMT -8
Gore has been lights out, as mentioned by his manager and easily witnessed by fans. His 4-seam fastball is almost unhittable, and his slider pretty much is unhittable. Realistically, though, he'll be shut down before the end of the season. Whether or not they play with the innings or not before he gets to a limit, right now they're letting him rip. So until then, just enjoy the ride. Musgrove, and others, OTOH should be leading the staff into October… Someday it'll be Gore. He will be pitching in the postseason.
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Jun 6, 2022 12:38:39 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on Jun 6, 2022 12:38:39 GMT -8
Gore has been lights out, as mentioned by his manager and easily witnessed by fans. His 4-seam fastball is almost unhittable, and his slider pretty much is unhittable. Realistically, though, he'll be shut down before the end of the season. Whether or not they play with the innings or not before he gets to a limit, right now they're letting him rip. So until then, just enjoy the ride. Musgrove, and others, OTOH should be leading the staff into October… Someday it'll be Gore. He will be pitching in the postseason. Is the plan to stick with a six man rotation to keep his innings down?
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Jun 6, 2022 14:00:01 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Jun 6, 2022 14:00:01 GMT -8
Not really all that close? Joe Musgrove would like a word with you. What are Joe's stats compared to Gore? Glad you asked. Where are the Padres without Musgrove? Frankly, I think they are worse off (slightly) without Musgrove than Gore. Musgrove has consistently gone deeper into games than Gore. I am not putting down anything that Gore has done this season--I just think that Musgrove is more valuable this season than Gore--at least so far. In future years, that may change, as it's not even assured that the Padres re-sign Musgrove after this season. Which I think would be a crime. The Padres are better with both Gore and Musgrove in the rotation for years to come.
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Jun 6, 2022 14:03:00 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 14:03:00 GMT -8
He will be pitching in the postseason. Is the plan to stick with a six man rotation to keep his innings down? They'll eventually go back to a five man, I'm sure. But there are ways to manipulate innings loads that go beyond how you configure the rotation.
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Jun 6, 2022 14:06:14 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 14:06:14 GMT -8
Where are the Padres without Musgrove? Frankly, I think they are worse off (slightly) without Musgrove than Gore. Musgrove has consistently gone deeper into games than Gore. I am not putting down anything that Gore has done this season--I just think that Musgrove is more valuable this season than Gore--at least so far. In future years, that may change, as it's not even assured that the Padres re-sign Musgrove after this season. Which I think would be a crime. The Padres are better with both Gore and Musgrove in the rotation for years to come. They are virtually identical in WAR despite Musgrove throwing more innings, Gore has been statistically better throughout the year, however. Musgrove has been more EFFICIENT, but Gore has been more dominant, if that makes sense. Gore is the second best pitcher in the National League since mid-April in terms of WAR and has the best FIP in baseball since mid-April. Musgrove will never be a high FIP guy because he doesn't strike a ton of guys out. In general, I side with the guy who can miss bats more consistently.
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Jun 6, 2022 14:10:32 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on Jun 6, 2022 14:10:32 GMT -8
Where are the Padres without Musgrove? Frankly, I think they are worse off (slightly) without Musgrove than Gore. Musgrove has consistently gone deeper into games than Gore. I am not putting down anything that Gore has done this season--I just think that Musgrove is more valuable this season than Gore--at least so far. In future years, that may change, as it's not even assured that the Padres re-sign Musgrove after this season. Which I think would be a crime. The Padres are better with both Gore and Musgrove in the rotation for years to come. They are virtually identical in WAR despite Musgrove throwing more innings, Gore has been statistically better throughout the year, however. Musgrove has been more EFFICIENT, but Gore has been more dominant, if that makes sense. Gore is the second best pitcher in the National League since mid-April in terms of WAR and has the best FIP in baseball since mid-April. Musgrove will never be a high FIP guy because he doesn't strike a ton of guys out. In general, I side with the guy who can miss bats more consistently. "Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're Fascist." Crash Davis.
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Jun 6, 2022 14:16:11 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 14:16:11 GMT -8
They are virtually identical in WAR despite Musgrove throwing more innings, Gore has been statistically better throughout the year, however. Musgrove has been more EFFICIENT, but Gore has been more dominant, if that makes sense. Gore is the second best pitcher in the National League since mid-April in terms of WAR and has the best FIP in baseball since mid-April. Musgrove will never be a high FIP guy because he doesn't strike a ton of guys out. In general, I side with the guy who can miss bats more consistently. "Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're Fascist." Crash Davis. Don't get me wrong, I love Joe. But I'm not paying a guy who is more mid-rotation than top $25M a season.
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Post by azson on Jun 6, 2022 15:10:26 GMT -8
"Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're Fascist." Crash Davis. Don't get me wrong, I love Joe. But I'm not paying a guy who is more mid-rotation than top $25M a season. Joe's MLB ranks: 2nd in wins, 3rd in ERA, and #1 in quality stats (which is huge considering our shaky pen). Not to mention he just flirted with another no-no. If we're in a 1-game playoff, I'm sending that "mid-rotation" guy out to start over a rookie. I love me some McKKKK, and I usually agree with you on all things Padres, but I'm thinking you're a little drunk on the metrics in this case.
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Post by junior on Jun 6, 2022 15:18:40 GMT -8
… mixin' one too many metrics with those last few Aztecaritas - just to "make 'em last a little longer" will do that everytime …
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Gore.
Jun 6, 2022 16:21:02 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 16:21:02 GMT -8
Don't get me wrong, I love Joe. But I'm not paying a guy who is more mid-rotation than top $25M a season. Joe's MLB ranks: 2nd in wins, 3rd in ERA, and #1 in quality stats (which is huge considering our shaky pen). Not to mention he just flirted with another no-no. If we're in a 1-game playoff, I'm sending that "mid-rotation" guy out to start over a rookie. I love me some McKKKK, and I usually agree with you on all things Padres, but I'm thinking you're a little drunk on the metrics in this case. The surface stats reveal the same thing. Pitcher wins aren't something I really care about (see deGrom, Jacob) and almost no-hitters are nice, but there is so much variance and randomness associated with one game that it really doesn't mean a ton. That's why his FIP and ERA differ so dramatically. Strikeouts > groundouts. Not a knock on Joe, but Gore has been more dominant.
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 6, 2022 20:34:05 GMT -8
Joe's MLB ranks: 2nd in wins, 3rd in ERA, and #1 in quality stats (which is huge considering our shaky pen). Not to mention he just flirted with another no-no. If we're in a 1-game playoff, I'm sending that "mid-rotation" guy out to start over a rookie. I love me some McKKKK, and I usually agree with you on all things Padres, but I'm thinking you're a little drunk on the metrics in this case. The surface stats reveal the same thing. Pitcher wins aren't something I really care about (see deGrom, Jacob) and almost no-hitters are nice, but there is so much variance and randomness associated with one game that it really doesn't mean a ton. That's why his FIP and ERA differ so dramatically. Strikeouts > groundouts. Not a knock on Joe, but Gore has been more dominant. Musgrove benefits from our elite defensive play, especially in the infield. That being said he's won us a ton of games, and I would be willing to shell out a lot of money to keep him in a Pads uniform.
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Post by junior on Jun 13, 2022 17:44:35 GMT -8
Gore came back to earth. Whether this is a one-off or it settles in and affects him next start remains to be seen.
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Jun 13, 2022 20:35:42 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 13, 2022 20:35:42 GMT -8
Gore came back to earth. Whether this is a one-off or it settles in and affects him next start remains to be seen. Came back to Earth? He wasn't going to carry a 1.47 ERA forever.
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Post by junior on Jun 13, 2022 20:45:38 GMT -8
Yeah, came back to Earth. As opposed to those who are lost in the ozone… (again)
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Jun 13, 2022 21:51:58 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Jun 13, 2022 21:51:58 GMT -8
Gore came back to earth. Whether this is a one-off or it settles in and affects him next start remains to be seen. Yeah, he didn't have a good start. It happens.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 14, 2022 6:55:04 GMT -8
Gore came back to earth. Whether this is a one-off or it settles in and affects him next start remains to be seen. Yeah, he didn't have a good start. It happens. Yeah, it's not like he gave up 10 runs and got bombed on. Just couldn't find the command in an abnormal setting. He was performing above his expected numbers, so it's not unexpected.
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Post by junior on Jun 17, 2022 18:41:14 GMT -8
No, he saved that for his next outing.
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Jun 17, 2022 20:06:57 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 17, 2022 20:06:57 GMT -8
No, he saved that for his next outing. Welcome to Coors Field.
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Jun 17, 2022 22:17:50 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 17, 2022 22:17:50 GMT -8
No, he saved that for his next outing. Welcome to Coors Field. Excuses for who you like. He was all over the place. Horrible ball placement, if we're being honest. Freeland didn't have as much of a problem, even after 7 innings, or the relievers. Just say he's sucked his last two outings. You'll come across as a little more sincere. Having said that, he needs to correct that, and get his release point back.
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