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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 13, 2020 6:21:22 GMT -8
This team doesn't have the length that the 2011 team did but we still play great defense... though I think that hasn't been properly tested because we haven't gone against any very legit teams since Mensah went down. And we can score much better than the 2011 team. With a healthy Mensah I think this team is better top to bottom
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Post by heuschele on Feb 15, 2020 0:11:51 GMT -8
Yes, I was wondering if this thread would get resurrected since I didn’t think it fair to compare this team to our all-time best after only 9 games. Still history being written but at this point you to have to wonder how great this team is. I’d still prefer the 2011starters (very close though) but, when healthy, I’d prefer our current overall team. Something I think we have now are more intangibles like intelligence, maturity, and grit... but this team hasn’t had the pressure really applied yet. I felt in the UConn game, we were intimidated by the larger stage. I believe UConn’s game plan was to antagonize the Aztecs to see how we reacted. We did not respond well. Kawhi got a T and was in foul trouble much of the game. Jamal also got a T. Even though it was a flop, jamal’s behavior was so egregious that it deserved the T call. I believe this team is more mature and will not react as poorly as that great 2011 squad due to the intelligence and maturity of this team. This team is currently all junior and senior starters. I say this having believed prior to the game that the great 2011 squad would not fall for such a simple game plan. Until the heat of MM everything is speculation. We do not know how this team will react to the pressures of MM, but I like our chances of responding appropriately.
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Post by aztecanthony on Feb 15, 2020 22:42:57 GMT -8
Yes, I was wondering if this thread would get resurrected since I didn’t think it fair to compare this team to our all-time best after only 9 games. Still history being written but at this point you to have to wonder how great this team is. I’d still prefer the 2011starters (very close though) but, when healthy, I’d prefer our current overall team. Something I think we have now are more intangibles like intelligence, maturity, and grit... but this team hasn’t had the pressure really applied yet. I felt in the UConn game, we were intimidated by the larger stage. I believe UConn’s game plan was to antagonize the Aztecs to see how we reacted. We did not respond well. Kawhi got a T and was in foul trouble much of the game. Jamal also got a T. Even though it was a flop, jamal’s behavior was so egregious that it deserved the T call. I believe this team is more mature and will not react as poorly as that great 2011 squad due to the intelligence and maturity of this team. This team is currently all junior and senior starters. I say this having believed prior to the game that the great 2011 squad would not fall for such a simple game plan. Until the heat of MM everything is speculation. We do not know how this team will react to the pressures of MM, but I like our chances of responding appropriately. This years team is the better team, 2011 had the best player in KL.
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Post by aztecanthony on Feb 16, 2020 7:09:19 GMT -8
I believe UConn’s game plan was to antagonize the Aztecs to see how we reacted. We did not respond well. Kawhi got a T and was in foul trouble much of the game. Jamal also got a T. Even though it was a flop, jamal’s behavior was so egregious that it deserved the T call. I believe this team is more mature and will not react as poorly as that great 2011 squad due to the intelligence and maturity of this team. This team is currently all junior and senior starters. I say this having believed prior to the game that the great 2011 squad would not fall for such a simple game plan. Until the heat of MM everything is speculation. We do not know how this team will react to the pressures of MM, but I like our chances of responding appropriately. This years team is the better team, 2011 had the best player in KL. One more point, this years team would also beat the BYU team with Jimmer. We have 3 or 4 guys this year who could match up better against Jimmer. I believe they have the ability to run the table, This story is not yet written, go Aztecs!
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Post by oldwarrior56 on Feb 16, 2020 10:35:19 GMT -8
I'll take the current team hands down. My reasons are as follows, better on ball pressure that extends further than the earlier team, much better shooting beyond the arc and more players that can shoot, great guard leadership in Flynn and Feagin which is very important especially in March. Yani is a better scoring threat in the post than Malcom Thomas was and he's better passing the ball out from the post, also better on the pick and roll and a great help defender. We have an emerging Matt Mitchell who is a matchup nightmare on the offensive end. Finally this current team has better depth which is important in keeping 40 minutes of defensive pressure on the opponent
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 16, 2020 11:47:45 GMT -8
The one thing this team doesn't have that the 2011 team had was a lockdown wing defender, which is really important when facing good teams. Most good teams have a real good, long wing player and we just don't have that. Mitchell is a tremendous player but doesn't have the length on defense that we might need against a Chandler Hutchinson type player. Obviously the 2011 team had that in Kawhi. Arop has the length but I'm not sure he's got the quickness to be that guy. Mitchell is a mismatch on the other end though, so that might make up for it
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Post by NCAztec82 on Feb 16, 2020 13:00:20 GMT -8
Oranges over Apples in triple OT.
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Post by cvtower on Feb 16, 2020 13:18:03 GMT -8
Erase post
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 16, 2020 15:32:53 GMT -8
I voted 2011, if I could change my vote, I would
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Post by survalli on Feb 16, 2020 15:34:49 GMT -8
2011 team would not be able to guard this team. As much as i love them.
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Post by AzTex on Feb 16, 2020 16:05:29 GMT -8
Starters: Gay v. Flynn Tapley v. Feagin Leonard v. Schakel White v. Wetzell Thomas v. N. Mensah Bench: Rahon v. Mitchell Carwell v. J. Mensah L. Franklin v. Seiko J. Franklin v. Arop Shelton v. Narain A. Williams v. Pulium Cheriet v. Johnson I was going to say the 2010-11 team would win at this stage of the season. By the end of the season that might change. But, seeing the lineup comparison you posted, I take it back. 2010-11 all the way. Still a tough call because this team is the best in a long time and I believe it has a high ceiling. Can't wait to see what happens. Above is what I posted earlier in this thread. Still looking at the individual match-ups it looks like the 2011 team has the edge. But, as a group, I believe this is a better overall team. I think this team would win the game against the 2011 team.
We've only had 2 single digit wins and only one of those could have gone either way. This team is just overwhelming in so many ways.
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Post by heuschele on Feb 16, 2020 17:38:33 GMT -8
This years team is the better team, 2011 had the best player in KL. One more point, this years team would also beat the BYU team with Jimmer. We have 3 or 4 guys this year who could match up better against Jimmer. I believe they have the ability to run the table, This story is not yet written, go Aztecs! My view is no one could have covered Jimmer in those two regular season games as the percentage of 3 pointers he hit was out of this world and it was not because he was not tightly covered. He had defenders tight, would take the step back to get just a bit of space and pop the 3. I think both games he was over 60% on 3s. That is incredible especially with the defense he was against that second game. After the first game I thought no way he does it again. Our defens3 on Jimmer was better and he did it again. Sometimes a player just has that out of the world game and you give the player/team props.
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Feb 16, 2020 18:54:08 GMT -8
One more point, this years team would also beat the BYU team with Jimmer. We have 3 or 4 guys this year who could match up better against Jimmer. I believe they have the ability to run the table, This story is not yet written, go Aztecs! My view is no one could have covered Jimmer in those two regular season games as the percentage of 3 pointers he hit was out of this world and it was not because he was not tightly covered. He had defenders tight, would take the step back to get just a bit of space and pop the 3. I think both games he was over 60% on 3s. That is incredible especially with the defense he was against that second game. After the first game I thought no way he does it again. Our defens3 on Jimmer was better and he did it again. Sometimes a player just has that out of the world game and you give the player/team props. I know Jimmer had good games, but the difference in those games was the big Brandon Davies. He killed us and we had no answer for him. He did not play in the 3rd game at MW Tournament because of an honor code violation, and we won.
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Post by heuschele on Feb 16, 2020 19:52:18 GMT -8
My view is no one could have covered Jimmer in those two regular season games as the percentage of 3 pointers he hit was out of this world and it was not because he was not tightly covered. He had defenders tight, would take the step back to get just a bit of space and pop the 3. I think both games he was over 60% on 3s. That is incredible especially with the defense he was against that second game. After the first game I thought no way he does it again. Our defens3 on Jimmer was better and he did it again. Sometimes a player just has that out of the world game and you give the player/team props. I know Jimmer had good games, but the difference in those games was the big Brandon Davies. He killed us and we had no answer for him. He did not play in the 3rd game at MW Tournament because of an honor code violation, and we won. I think Davies was important only because it made it a little harder to double jimmer. Check the stats. Jimmer was much of the offense (check his 3 Pt shot percentage) even trying to double him but the doubling meant Davies could be left unguarded. We would have won that 3rd game regardless if Davies played because the odds Jimmer could have a 3rd such game was virtually zero. But without Davies, even lesser teams than our team could now have a good chance against BYU. They should have been one of best teams in nation but for post season was only a pretty good team.
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Feb 16, 2020 20:42:46 GMT -8
Jimmer still had 30 in the 3rd game. We were able to control the game down low with Davies out, as he was their only big.
Some quotes and states from that day.
Frontcourt play proved to be the difference for the Aztecs in the championship game. San Diego State outscored BYU in the paint 40-16 and held a 21-9 edge in second chance points.
Aztec senior forward Billy White, who had 21 points and 12 rebounds, said it was easier to operate against the Cougars without Davies roaming below the basket.
“It’s a big factor,” White said. “He’s a key player on that team. We took advantage of that and crashed the boards.”
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