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Post by The Flying Dutchman on Dec 5, 2019 20:07:46 GMT -8
I know we are only 9 games into this year, but it’s fun to speculate.
In a matchup of the 2011 and current 2019 squads, who wins? Why? And what’s the score?
I think 2019 shoots the ball better, is deeper, and plays just as good of defense as 2011. But the 2011 front court was just ridiculous with Kawhi, Malcolm, and Billy. However, DJ and Chase can’t keep up with Flynn, Mitchell, and Schakel from deep.
2011 Aztecs - 67 2019 Aztecs - 71
What do you think?
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Post by DeeMoney on Dec 5, 2019 20:27:48 GMT -8
Too small of a sample size to judge accurately, but for now I gotta lean towards the '11 squad. We have a very good defense this year, 2011 was a GREAT defense. We have been hitting the boards very well this year but I think 2011 was better. DJ Gay was nails with the ball, and 2011 didn't make a lot of mistakes.
This year seems to move it around better, and shoot better. But I'd favor 2011 more often than not....as of now.
'11- 64 '20- 62
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Post by aardvark on Dec 5, 2019 21:03:34 GMT -8
I know we are only 9 games into this year, but it’s fun to speculate. In a matchup of the 2011 and current 2019 squads, who wins? Why? And what’s the score? I think 2019 shoots the ball better, is deeper, and plays just as good of defense as 2011. But the 2011 front court was just ridiculous with Kawhi, Malcolm, and Billy. However, DJ and Chase can’t keep up with Flynn, Mitchell, and Schakel from deep. 2011 Aztecs - 67 2019 Aztecs - 71 What do you think? I think it probably won't be available to watch on TV.
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Post by xohsxc on Dec 5, 2019 21:07:43 GMT -8
2011 74 2019 62 2011 34-3 2019 ??
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Post by Den60 on Dec 5, 2019 21:22:23 GMT -8
We have better guards now than back in 2010/2011. Up front we were better then than what we have now. I think we have better depth now than back then.
I think it would be a good win and the really nice thing is that I would be rooting for both teams.
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Post by azteccc on Dec 5, 2019 21:25:21 GMT -8
My initial thought was let’ssss all calm down a lil bit. BUT
I’d say through 9 games, our resume in 2019-20 is better than or at the least equal to that of 2010-11.
But, going 17-2 in conference and MW tourney in 2010-11 is more impressive than anything we could do this year. In 2011, the MWC sent 3 to the NCAAs and 2 to the NIT.
The NCAAs are somewhat of a crapshoot, but knocking off a 7 seed Temple in double OT and then being better than eventual Champion UConn is I think what sticks out most for me, and most of us, that season. TBD if we can make a run like that in 2020, but it definitely looks like we have the ponies to. Even if we don’t, it doesn’t say as much as some people think it does.
My cop out answer is: If they played a three game series, I bet it’d be 2-1.
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Post by Frantic on Dec 5, 2019 21:29:22 GMT -8
Starters: Gay v. Flynn Tapley v. Feagin Leonard v. Schakel White v. Wetzell Thomas v. N. Mensah
Bench: Rahon v. Mitchell Carwell v. J. Mensah L. Franklin v. Seiko J. Franklin v. Arop Shelton v. Narain A. Williams v. Pulium Cheriet v. Johnson
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Post by The Flying Dutchman on Dec 5, 2019 21:44:23 GMT -8
At first, you think there’s no way 2019 could beat 2011. But when you think more about it a bit more... 2011 struggled with some bad teams, including being down 20 to Wisconsin Whitewater in a tournament in Oxford, OH.
This team, outside of BYU, has won by double digits every single game. And the metrics come back and say this team is better than 2011 statistically at this point.
Really excited to see how the rest of the season shakes out. I’m sure the real discussion will come at the end of the season.
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Post by AzTex on Dec 5, 2019 22:09:24 GMT -8
I know we are only 9 games into this year, but it’s fun to speculate. In a matchup of the 2011 and current 2019 squads, who wins? Why? And what’s the score? I think 2019 shoots the ball better, is deeper, and plays just as good of defense as 2011. But the 2011 front court was just ridiculous with Kawhi, Malcolm, and Billy. However, DJ and Chase can’t keep up with Flynn, Mitchell, and Schakel from deep. 2011 Aztecs - 67 2019 Aztecs - 71 What do you think? I think it probably won't be available to watch on TV. Does anyone have a free stream link? Also, what time does the game start?
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Post by missiontrails on Dec 5, 2019 22:18:37 GMT -8
I'm surprised nobody's really mentioned the Kawhi factor yet. As the NBA has quickly learned, a healthy Kawhi lifts all boats. I know he wasn't as much of an offensive threat yet when he was in college, but he could score when needed, rebounded like a madman, and played D like an even madder man. 2011 wins in a close one. Coach Fish gives Dutch one final coaching lesson.
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Post by AzTex on Dec 5, 2019 22:24:28 GMT -8
Starters: Gay v. Flynn Tapley v. Feagin Leonard v. Schakel White v. Wetzell Thomas v. N. Mensah Bench: Rahon v. Mitchell Carwell v. J. Mensah L. Franklin v. Seiko J. Franklin v. Arop Shelton v. Narain A. Williams v. Pulium Cheriet v. Johnson I was going to say the 2010-11 team would win at this stage of the season. By the end of the season that might change. But, seeing the lineup comparison you posted, I take it back. 2010-11 all the way. Still a tough call because this team is the best in a long time and I believe it has a high ceiling. Can't wait to see what happens.
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Post by heuschele on Dec 6, 2019 0:40:16 GMT -8
I think 2011 team May have been a single flop from the national champs (thanks Jamal). The refs did not help us any as it was very rare for a Leonard to get into foul trouble yet he was.
I think both Leonard and Thomas were better than anyone on this team. It seemed DJ never turned the ball over and was clutch if needed. White and Tapley did not have the flaws N Mensah has. N. Mensah would not be close to good enough to start on that team. Especially a comparison of Thomas to Mensah shows why 2011 was superior as that is not close.
I really like this team but 2011 was great.
If it was a comparison to the x Thames team I would give this years team the nod because of it’s far superior depth. The X team relied so much on X. If X had gotten injured I suspect we may not have been an NCAA tournament team. A player by player comparison would likely show this team matched fine as starting 5 with a much better bench.
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Post by tecsonthebeach on Dec 6, 2019 1:10:13 GMT -8
Steve Fisher said more than once that the 2010/11 team was good enough to win the national championship, and I believe him.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 6, 2019 1:44:02 GMT -8
Starters: Gay v. Flynn Tapley v. Feagin Leonard v. Schakel White v. Wetzell Thomas v. N. Mensah Bench: Rahon v. Mitchell Carwell v. J. Mensah L. Franklin v. Seiko J. Franklin v. Arop Shelton v. Narain A. Williams v. Pulium Cheriet v. Johnson I was going to say the 2010-11 team would win at this stage of the season. By the end of the season that might change. But, seeing the lineup comparison you posted, I take it back. 2010-11 all the way. Still a tough call because this team is the best in a long time and I believe it has a high ceiling. Can't wait to see what happens. Yes, that's what I did. At first, I thought this years team may be better, but once I saw the player to player matchup, for sure the 2010-2011 team.
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Post by mySTRAS on Dec 6, 2019 2:24:06 GMT -8
I'll take the 2014 Aztecs... X, Winston, Sky, Polee, Josh, JJO, Dakarai, Shrigs, AQ!
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 6, 2019 4:42:51 GMT -8
Starters: Gay v. Flynn Tapley v. Feagin Leonard v. Schakel White v. Wetzell Thomas v. N. Mensah Bench: Rahon v. Mitchell Carwell v. J. Mensah L. Franklin v. Seiko J. Franklin v. Arop Shelton v. Narain A. Williams v. Pulium Cheriet v. Johnson Well, if you're gonna put it that way... 2010- Better starting 5 2019- Better bench
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Post by chris92065 on Dec 6, 2019 4:47:43 GMT -8
Leonard would shutdown Flynn. Game. Set. Match.
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Post by longtimebooster on Dec 6, 2019 5:51:12 GMT -8
Leonard would shutdown Flynn. Game. Set. Match. Except Leonard wouldn't be guarding Flynn. Gay would. And I think Flynn would have his way with him. Leonard would likely be guarding Mitchell, which would've been an interesting match-up, though I'd definitely put my money on Leonard. Also, we need to remember that college Kawhi wasn't NBA Kawhi. The guy had horrible shooting form in college. He was great from within 5 feet of the basket, where he scored most of his points. But his jumper from 8 feet and beyond was clank city. He shot 15% from behind the arc his freshman year (including a wide-open potential game winner against Tenn. in the NCAA Tourney) and something like 23% his sophomore year. Leonard's secret sauce in college was his offensive rebounds and relentless put-backs. He was a genius at turning his and his teammates many bricks into gold.
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 6, 2019 8:14:59 GMT -8
I really hope I’m never proven right about this, but I don’t know who on this year’s team is our shut down wing defender. Maybe we don’t need one, but a Chandler Hutchinson would be a scary matchup for this year’s team. To that end, “who guards Kawhi?” Even college Kawhi had a reasonably strong handle.
I think the 2011 frontcourt would have overwhelmed this year’s squad, but in some ways they’re opposites, reflecting changes in both personnel and the evolution in strategy over the last decade. It’s not like asking if Adam Ottavino would strike out Babe Ruth every time he faced him, but it also isn’t not like that.
In fairness, I’ll never like an SDSU squad like that 2010/11 team.
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 6, 2019 8:15:51 GMT -8
Leonard would shutdown Flynn. Game. Set. Match. Except Leonard wouldn't be guarding Flynn. Gay would. And I think Flynn would have his way with him. Leonard would likely be guarding Mitchell, which would've been an interesting match-up, though I'd definitely put my money on Leonard. Also, we need to remember that college Kawhi wasn't NBA Kawhi. The guy had horrible shooting form in college. He was great from within 5 feet of the basket, where he scored most of his points. But his jumper from 8 feet and beyond was clank city. He shot 15% from behind the arc his freshman year (including a wide-open potential game winner against Tenn. in the NCAA Tourney) and something like 23% his sophomore year. Leonard's secret sauce in college was his offensive rebounds and relentless put-backs. He was a genius at turning his and his teammates many bricks into gold. I always remember Tapley’s missed corner three against Tennessee. Tapley? Or was that Kawhi?
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