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Post by missiontrails on Dec 6, 2019 15:59:52 GMT -8
I'm surprised nobody's really mentioned the Kawhi factor yet. As the NBA has quickly learned, a healthy Kawhi lifts all boats. I know he wasn't as much of an offensive threat yet when he was in college, but he could score when needed, rebounded like a madman, and played D like an even madder man. 2011 wins in a close one. Coach Fish gives Dutch one final coaching lesson. I actually think it's the opposite. I think that team is a little overrated because of how good Leonard is now. I loved him then and now, but he was not an obvious future top 5 NBA player at that point. He still had some rough edges to his game (don't get me wrong, he was still great just not 2019 Kawhi great). I understand your line of thinking, but I think Kawhi's hustle and athleticism brought so many intangibles to his team, that it made everyone better. I see some of those same qualities in Flynn, but Flynn just doesn't have the same inhuman physical attributes - obviously thru no fault of his own. Kawhi was/is like a human 'avatar', which of course carries more weight in the college game, with far fewer physically imposing bodies than in the NBA. Few of us probably recognized those qualities back then, to the extent we do now.
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Post by DeeMoney on Dec 7, 2019 10:51:25 GMT -8
So far this team has been more dominant in its games than the 34-3 team. We barely beat 3 cupcake non conference opponents that year. We beat Cal Poly and San Francisco by 6 each, and IUPUI by only 2
I think that the best players on the Kawhi team are better than the best players on this team, but this team goes a lot deeper and still has some star power. It'd be an interesting game, and it'd be very close
PS- I think our best wing defender is Arop. If he's hurt for a while that's going to be a huge loss I think we beat IUPUI by 15 that year, and they werent bad
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Post by DeeMoney on Dec 7, 2019 10:55:26 GMT -8
That 2011 team was one of the top 5-8 teams in the country, capable of beating anyone, and nobody in the land would have more than a 55/45 advantage over them. Its too early to say if this current year is that good. Luckily you don't have to always be that goo to make a deep run in March.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 8, 2019 14:30:15 GMT -8
So far this team has been more dominant in its games than the 34-3 team. We barely beat 3 cupcake non conference opponents that year. We beat Cal Poly and San Francisco by 6 each, and IUPUI by only 2
I think that the best players on the Kawhi team are better than the best players on this team, but this team goes a lot deeper and still has some star power. It'd be an interesting game, and it'd be very close
PS- I think our best wing defender is Arop. If he's hurt for a while that's going to be a huge loss I think we beat IUPUI by 15 that year, and they werent bad No it was a 2 point game, I looked it up
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Post by DeeMoney on Dec 8, 2019 14:46:57 GMT -8
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 8, 2019 18:57:56 GMT -8
Oh we played them twice that year. December 22nd was 56-54, we're both right
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Post by xohsxc on Dec 9, 2019 16:17:35 GMT -8
A couple of technicals probably cost us the Uconn game and a good chance to advance to the elite eight and final four. A starting lineup of Thomas, White, Leonard, Tapley, and Gay will probably never be matched by any other AZTEC team.
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Post by tonatiuh on Dec 11, 2019 12:56:14 GMT -8
I actually think it's the opposite. I think that team is a little overrated because of how good Leonard is now. I loved him then and now, but he was not an obvious future top 5 NBA player at that point. He still had some rough edges to his game (don't get me wrong, he was still great just not 2019 Kawhi great). I understand your line of thinking, but I think Kawhi's hustle and athleticism brought so many intangibles to his team, that it made everyone better. I see some of those same qualities in Flynn, but Flynn just doesn't have the same inhuman physical attributes - obviously thru no fault of his own. Kawhi was/is like a human 'avatar', which of course carries more weight in the college game, with far fewer physically imposing bodies than in the NBA. Few of us probably recognized those qualities back then, to the extent we do now. You forgot one catagory to put up. "Doesn't Really Matter The Aztecs Win!" It is so difficult to answer a question like that because of difference of time and strengths of each team. Besides, we don't know for sure how good the current team is until the end of the season!
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Post by missiontrails on Dec 11, 2019 20:27:49 GMT -8
I understand your line of thinking, but I think Kawhi's hustle and athleticism brought so many intangibles to his team, that it made everyone better. I see some of those same qualities in Flynn, but Flynn just doesn't have the same inhuman physical attributes - obviously thru no fault of his own. Kawhi was/is like a human 'avatar', which of course carries more weight in the college game, with far fewer physically imposing bodies than in the NBA. Few of us probably recognized those qualities back then, to the extent we do now. You forgot one catagory to put up. "Doesn't Really Matter The Aztecs Win!" It is so difficult to answer a question like that because of difference of time and strengths of each team. Besides, we don't know for sure how good the current team is until the end of the season! That's the best part.
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Post by RB Aztec on Dec 12, 2019 10:15:48 GMT -8
Fish said he felt he had the pieces to win a national championship with the Kawhi team.
This team is really good. I don't see us as top 10 yet, but they have so much improvement possible, that you never know. Let's see how we do against the 2 upcoming Utah teams. That will tell a lot. If we go undefeated through both these teams, I think we have a shot to get to wins in the upper 20's or even 30.
It has been a fun year so far. I just wish we had top 25 opponents.
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Post by 12414 on Dec 12, 2019 16:23:12 GMT -8
Fish said he felt he had the pieces to win a national championship with the Kawhi team. I would venture a guess that the loss to UConn was the hardest loss for Fisher to endure in his entire career. Personally, it was the hardest Aztecs loss for me to endure.
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Post by tonatiuh on Dec 13, 2019 15:08:54 GMT -8
Fish said he felt he had the pieces to win a national championship with the Kawhi team. I would venture a guess that the loss to UConn was the hardest loss for Fisher to endure in his entire career. Personally, it was the hardest Aztecs loss for me to endure. It was quite disappointing to lose to them, but what a record! We only lost to two teams all season, and one we made up for it in the MW Title game! So, in the NCAA the Only team that beat us was the National Champion, UConn!
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Post by miners22 on Dec 17, 2019 20:25:43 GMT -8
WOW! Some people never CHANGE! Obviously, some of you have taken advantage of the new WEED Laws, when you have the unmitigated gall to compare the 2011 Sweet Sixteen with any TEAM in Aztecs history!!
First of all, the 2019 Aztecs Team has only played teams with players that have no ARMS and LEGS!!! Great that 2019 Aztecs are Ranked, as I wear my Aztec GEAR with PRIDE! Secondly, when the 2019 Aztecs play some TEAMS with ARMS and LEGS, then, let's revisit this ridiculous subject!!
The 2011 Aztec Team would BEAT UP the 2019 Aztecs Team like a Big Brother BEATS UP the Lil Brother!!! What player on the 2019 Aztec Team is going to guard, Kawhi, now, known as the DYNASTY TERMINATOR? What player on the 2019 Aztec Team " " " " Billy White? Malcom Thomas? DJ Gay? and The Chaser?
This 2019 Aztec Team was a few seconds from getting UPSET on Steve Fisher's Court by San Jose State who can't BEAT a minor GIRL'S TEAM!! Like one Poster adequately stated, "Let's enjoy this 2019 Aztec Team and their current success." 2019 Aztec Team is already under pressure to justify their RANKING, but to compare the same or any other Aztec Team to the 2011 Aztec Team is INSANE!!!
And, let me be very, very clear, this 2019 Aztecs Team can barley guard their own SHAWDOW!! So, there is no freaking way the same could guard the 2011 Aztecs starting FIVE!! Oops, I meant to state, FISHER'S FIVE!!! Kinda like the FAB FIVE, huh?
Like another Poster stated, "2011 Aztecs Team was a couple of TECHNICALS, and I will add, had The CHASER made a SHOT (i.e. Yes, I told him he missed SHOTS that he should have made!), this TEAM would have WON the NCAA Championship instead of the Con TEAM!! Happy Holidays!!
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Post by jdaztec on Dec 17, 2019 22:39:22 GMT -8
We were better than U Conn.Those tacky tack Technicals were a killer. Also their freshman ( Lamb ?) had his real breakout game against us.
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Post by tecsonthebeach on Dec 18, 2019 0:17:40 GMT -8
The 2011 Aztec Team would BEAT UP the 2019 Aztecs Team like a Big Brother BEATS UP the Lil Brother!!! What player on the 2019 Aztec Team is going to guard, Kawhi, now, known as the DYNASTY TERMINATOR? What player on the 2019 Aztec Team " " " " Billy White? Malcom Thomas? DJ Gay? and The Chaser? Happy Holidays!! Ninety percent of the people who voted this poll agree with you that the 2011 team would beat the current team. No disrespect, Don Tapley. *absorbs a slap across the face from Don Tapley*
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Dec 18, 2019 5:40:28 GMT -8
I think we should talk about an Aztec team from another year for comparisons to the 2019 team.
I do love this team, but we have a long way to go.
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Post by Frantic on Feb 12, 2020 18:48:54 GMT -8
Bump.
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Post by heuschele on Feb 13, 2020 0:15:30 GMT -8
I initially voted Dec 6, 2019 for the 2011 team and still believe that team was as good as any team that year. However, if this team had Nathan back, I now would find the decission very difficult. That team was great. This team is great. Top 3 players may give nod to 2011, but 4 through 6 I give this team the nod. If Nathan was still starting, Mitchell would be all time best Aztec 6th man. He is p,aging awesome.
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 13, 2020 6:07:50 GMT -8
I initially voted Dec 6, 2019 for the 2011 team and still believe that team was as good as any team that year. However, if this team had Nathan back, I now would find the decission very difficult. That team was great. This team is great. Top 3 players may give nod to 2011, but 4 through 6 I give this team the nod. If Nathan was still starting, Mitchell would be all time best Aztec 6th man. He is p,aging awesome. Mitchell's not a sixth man. And at this point, Mensah or no Mensah, he'd be in the starting lineup over Schakel.
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Post by twobits on Feb 13, 2020 6:17:54 GMT -8
Yes, I was wondering if this thread would get resurrected since I didn’t think it fair to compare this team to our all-time best after only 9 games. Still history being written but at this point you to have to wonder how great this team is. I’d still prefer the 2011starters (very close though) but, when healthy, I’d prefer our current overall team. Something I think we have now are more intangibles like intelligence, maturity, and grit... but this team hasn’t had the pressure really applied yet. I felt in the UConn game, we were intimidated by the larger stage.
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