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Post by KDub on Dec 6, 2019 8:27:38 GMT -8
It’s a landslide in early voting but I’m much more undecided. Regardless, it’s so incredible to be even be making these comparisons between these two incredible teams. Dutcher sure has put the pieces of the puzzle together and has organized and motivated one hell of a team in his third year at the helm.
Steve Fisher Court, BDNCIW (Brian Dutcher Named Court In Waiting 😂😂😂)
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Post by heuschele on Dec 6, 2019 8:46:02 GMT -8
I'll take the 2014 Aztecs... X, Winston, Sky, Polee, Josh, JJO, Dakarai, Shrigs, AQ! Compared to this team or 2011? Note the offense on the 2014 team is basically X. X is my favorite Aztec basketball player. You remove him from that lineup and they would be challenged to score 50. I also really liked Josh, but literally a yard was his shot range. Dakari provided shutdown defense but offensively was at best par. Sky great shot blocker but again no offense. JJO could back down many for a turn around but that was basically the extent of his offense. Schakel and Mitchell both have better outside shot than Shrigs. They did great, but unlike the 2011 team, I did not expect greater. I believe this years team is much deeper than the 2014 team with better offense and competitive defense.
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Post by The Flying Dutchman on Dec 6, 2019 8:50:20 GMT -8
I really hope I’m never proven right about this, but I don’t know who on this year’s team is our shut down wing defender. Maybe we don’t need one, but a Chandler Hutchinson would be a scary matchup for this year’s team. To that end, “who guards Kawhi?” Even college Kawhi had a reasonably strong handle. I think the 2011 frontcourt would have overwhelmed this year’s squad, but in some ways they’re opposites, reflecting changes in both personnel and the evolution in strategy over the last decade. It’s not like asking if Adam Ottavino would strike out Babe Ruth every time he faced him, but it also isn’t not like that. In fairness, I’ll never like an SDSU squad like that 2010/11 team. Great point about not really knowing if we have a great wing defender this year. We haven’t really played a team this year with a talented 3 or athletic stretch 4. I think Matt is up to the task but we will have to see. In 2011, you could have had Kawhi, billy, Jamaal guard anyone on the court
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 6, 2019 9:09:59 GMT -8
So far this team has been more dominant in its games than the 34-3 team. We barely beat 3 cupcake non conference opponents that year. We beat Cal Poly and San Francisco by 6 each, and IUPUI by only 2
I think that the best players on the Kawhi team are better than the best players on this team, but this team goes a lot deeper and still has some star power. It'd be an interesting game, and it'd be very close
PS- I think our best wing defender is Arop. If he's hurt for a while that's going to be a huge loss
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Post by junior on Dec 6, 2019 9:14:16 GMT -8
Kawhi
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Post by twobits on Dec 6, 2019 9:25:12 GMT -8
Not fair to ask this 9 games into the season...I'm just enjoying the ride as it goes. Love the make-up of this team and think Sweet 16 or better is a possibility if we continue to work hard and play team-ball.
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Post by aztecfred on Dec 6, 2019 9:42:15 GMT -8
I hate these comparisons! Most of the times it apples n oranges. This is more tangerines n oranges. And I wasn't gonna comment but, the 2 biggest differences to me are the athletics and offenses of both teams. And while only 8 years ago, the game has changed a lot. From 3 pt line to charge line to the length of bb shorts. So, while 2011 was way more athletic than 2019, they ran that old Fisher(stand around for 20 sec's then try to run a play O) although they did get out and run some. Kinda reminds me of Rocky, play D and don't turn the ball over. 2019 is a great shooting team(so far) and have more movement and passing(unselfish) than ever. Having said that, I still don't care if one was better than the other than we were just one stupid foul from beating the eventual Champion and until we get there again not much u can say?
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Post by FLAztec4Life on Dec 6, 2019 11:36:25 GMT -8
I played it on Xbox.....2019 wins over 2011. This years bench is better then most MWC starting 5’s
PG: Pulliam SG: Seiko SF: Mitchell SF: Johnson SF: Arop
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Post by KDub on Dec 6, 2019 12:10:08 GMT -8
I played it on Xbox.....2019 wins over 2011. This years bench is better then most MWC starting 5’s PG: Pulliam SG: Seiko SF: Mitchell SF: Johnson SF: Arop I played Xbox football, it was Kawhi vs Ditka. Kawhi won in a last second play. Kawhi snapped the ball to Kawhi who handed the ball off to Kawhi. It was a designed flee-flicker, Kawhi pitched the ball back to Kawhi who threw a DEEP Hail Mary to Kawhi. Ditka was all over the place and just couldn’t keep up. Kawhi grabbed the pass and won the game. There were Kawhi high-fives all around. Incredible finish!
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 6, 2019 12:23:35 GMT -8
I played it on Xbox.....2019 wins over 2011. This years bench is better then most MWC starting 5’s PG: Pulliam SG: Seiko SF: Mitchell SF: Johnson SF: Arop Problem solved. 😄
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Post by FLAztec4Life on Dec 6, 2019 12:53:21 GMT -8
I played it on Xbox.....2019 wins over 2011. This years bench is better then most MWC starting 5’s PG: Pulliam SG: Seiko SF: Mitchell SF: Johnson SF: Arop Problem solved. 😄 Hahahahaha....... Xbox for the win!!! But, our bench though!
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Post by FLAztec4Life on Dec 6, 2019 12:55:21 GMT -8
I played it on Xbox.....2019 wins over 2011. This years bench is better then most MWC starting 5’s PG: Pulliam SG: Seiko SF: Mitchell SF: Johnson SF: Arop I played Xbox football, it was Kawhi vs Ditka. Kawhi won in a last second play. Kawhi snapped the ball to Kawhi who handed the ball off to Kawhi. It was a designed flee-flicker, Kawhi pitched the ball back to Kawhi who threw a DEEP Hail Mary to Kawhi. Ditka was all over the place and just couldn’t keep up. Kawhi grabbed the pass and won the game. There were Kawhi high-fives all around. Incredible finish! The only problem was DEEP Hail “Mary”....... should be “DEEP” Hail Kawhi. 😂😂😂
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Post by AzTex on Dec 6, 2019 13:13:38 GMT -8
Leonard would shutdown Flynn. Game. Set. Match. Except Leonard wouldn't be guarding Flynn. Gay would. And I think Flynn would have his way with him. Leonard would likely be guarding Mitchell, which would've been an interesting match-up, though I'd definitely put my money on Leonard. Also, we need to remember that college Kawhi wasn't NBA Kawhi. The guy had horrible shooting form in college. He was great from within 5 feet of the basket, where he scored most of his points. But his jumper from 8 feet and beyond was clank city. He shot 15% from behind the arc his freshman year (including a wide-open potential game winner against Tenn. in the NCAA Tourney) and something like 23% his sophomore year. Leonard's secret sauce in college was his offensive rebounds and relentless put-backs. He was a genius at turning his and his teammates many bricks into gold. Very important point. That's the one thing that would make this an interesting matchkup.
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Post by AzTex on Dec 6, 2019 13:17:08 GMT -8
Not fair to ask this 9 games into the season...I'm just enjoying the ride as it goes. Love the make-up of this team and think Sweet 16 or better is a possibility if we continue to work hard and play team-ball. But, it's the first team since the 2010-11 team that's good enough for anyone to ask the question.
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Post by sdmotohead on Dec 6, 2019 13:23:20 GMT -8
All I can say is that with this year's team we have at least 4 if not 5 reliable scorers and combine that with a deep bench. Fisher never went more than 7 deep typically throughout his time here. Dutch will go 8 to 10 deep on any given game. I finally feel like we are legit competitors again. Makes me really appreciate it even more considering how the team has done the last 3 years.
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Post by mnico213 on Dec 6, 2019 13:56:05 GMT -8
I'm surprised nobody's really mentioned the Kawhi factor yet. As the NBA has quickly learned, a healthy Kawhi lifts all boats. I know he wasn't as much of an offensive threat yet when he was in college, but he could score when needed, rebounded like a madman, and played D like an even madder man. 2011 wins in a close one. Coach Fish gives Dutch one final coaching lesson. I actually think it's the opposite. I think that team is a little overrated because of how good Leonard is now. I loved him then and now, but he was not an obvious future top 5 NBA player at that point. He still had some rough edges to his game (don't get me wrong, he was still great just not 2019 Kawhi great).
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Post by saucematix on Dec 6, 2019 14:42:04 GMT -8
2011 and it’s not even close. I believe we started that season ranked and very quickly won at gonzaga. From the get go we had a target on our back. Also that team had 4 nba quality players, I don’t think 2019 has any.
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Post by aztecfred on Dec 6, 2019 15:22:41 GMT -8
I'm surprised nobody's really mentioned the Kawhi factor yet. As the NBA has quickly learned, a healthy Kawhi lifts all boats. I know he wasn't as much of an offensive threat yet when he was in college, but he could score when needed, rebounded like a madman, and played D like an even madder man. 2011 wins in a close one. Coach Fish gives Dutch one final coaching lesson. Single greatest Aztec play ever is- KL deflecting a pass, saving from going out bounds while landing on scorers table, to then come back to take a pass for a dunk.
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Post by longtimebooster on Dec 6, 2019 15:34:41 GMT -8
Not fair to ask this 9 games into the season...I'm just enjoying the ride as it goes. Love the make-up of this team and think Sweet 16 or better is a possibility if we continue to work hard and play team-ball. But, it's the first team since the 2010-11 team that's good enough for anyone to ask the question. Not true. As I keep reminding people, ad infinitum, the '13/'14 team was just as good, if not better. Everyone keeps forgetting that. The '10/'11 team's signature win was @gonzaga, which was ranked something like No. 11 or 12 at the time, before losing to the Zoobs following a 20-0 start (and then losing to them again at home a couple weeks later.) The '13/'14 team lost its second game of the season to No. 6 Arizona before reeling off 21 in a row, including wins over No. 20 Creighton, No. 25 Marquette and No. 16 @kansas, before losing @wyo. Both teams went to the wire in the S16, the '10/'11 team losing to eventual champs UConn and the '13/'14 team losing to Arizona.
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Post by longtimebooster on Dec 6, 2019 15:35:57 GMT -8
I'm surprised nobody's really mentioned the Kawhi factor yet. As the NBA has quickly learned, a healthy Kawhi lifts all boats. I know he wasn't as much of an offensive threat yet when he was in college, but he could score when needed, rebounded like a madman, and played D like an even madder man. 2011 wins in a close one. Coach Fish gives Dutch one final coaching lesson. Single greatest Aztec play ever is- KL deflecting a pass, saving from going out bounds while landing on scorers table, to then come back to take a pass for a dunk. Word.
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