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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 9:13:54 GMT -8
Since Franmil has been removed from the lineup, Renfroe has been slumping, Machado is in one of the worst of his career and Myers hasn’t been able to turn it around. The only player who has thrived without Franmil around is Mejia. Hosmer, Margot have been so so while Urias (who probably misses his buddy) and Hedges have been colder than a Manitoba March. Even the pitching has gone south, Paddock looks like he is serving up batting practice. Quantrill is one of the few bright spots. The team has played uninspired, sloppy baseball and is 9 games below .500 since the AS break. Early on I would have to say Preller whiffed on the trade, which has sapped the spirit from this squad and Andy Green is obviously not savvy or competent enough to right the ship. Massive reaches all over the place here. Renfroe has been slumping since June, far before Franmil was traded. The reality is he isn't slumping, he is just regressing back to his norms with his continual pitch recognition issues. Wil Myers has been terrible for 2 1/2 years, so that has nothing to do with Franmil's situation at all. Urias is fine. Margot has been rock solid for 3 months and is posting career high walk rates and stolen base efficiency. Just.....wow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 9:14:31 GMT -8
:rotflmao At 22, Reyes was already playing for the Padres. I sincerely doubt Trammell reaches the bigs by next season, when he is 22. Not even close. He'll be up next year. That is indeed a bold statement, buddy.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 9:17:12 GMT -8
It boggles my mind that people are obsessing over a guy who is hitting .239 this season, who, despite being on pace to hit 40 home runs, is a replacement level player. The team needs to get AWAY from the all or nothing home run or bust approach - It has been an abject disaster. The Padres are first in strikeout rate, first in soft contact rate, dead last in line drive percentage and struggle to put balls in play on a consistent basis. Having two outfielders who are exactly the same limited profile is a BAD problem to have. Separate the emotion from trading Franmil the person to trading Franmil the player. you make very good points on the Padres, I dont mind trading Franmil at all. its what we got that is problem. im not asking for a top of the rotation guy, im not asking for a reliever with 8th inning makeup. i just want a guy who has the makeup of a major league player and not a project. You got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unclaimed in the Rule 5 draft 2 years ago and who has one carrying tool and very little value in actual baseball circles. Trammell is a big leaguer, and will have a more successful career than Reyes. He isn't going to hit 40 home runs (which means next to nothing) but he will be able to contribute on both sides of the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 9:19:40 GMT -8
Ryan and I agree on Franmil's redundancy and value in San Diego.
Not sure I agree that Trammel "is" a big leaguer and will have a successful career. Who knows at this point, he is sucking major ass right now but it's way early in his career. Will be fun to look back in two seasons.
I am also not certain hitting 40 HR means "next to nothing" but I do agree that if you dont also get on base and/or provide stout D or another secondary characteristic, you are less valuable.
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Post by survalli on Aug 26, 2019 9:25:44 GMT -8
you make very good points on the Padres, I dont mind trading Franmil at all. its what we got that is problem. im not asking for a top of the rotation guy, im not asking for a reliever with 8th inning makeup. i just want a guy who has the makeup of a major league player and not a project. You got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unclaimed in the Rule 5 draft 2 years ago and who has one carrying tool and very little value in actual baseball circles. Trammell is a big leaguer, and will have a more successful career than Reyes. He isn't going to hit 40 home runs (which means next to nothing) but he will be able to contribute on both sides of the ball. ive got news for you Ryan, Trammell has about as much of a chance as a Top 30 prospect of making it the majors as Anderson Espinoza. How is it we respect baseball ratings of players yet we often can call basketball and football projections over-rated?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 10:30:01 GMT -8
You got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unclaimed in the Rule 5 draft 2 years ago and who has one carrying tool and very little value in actual baseball circles. Trammell is a big leaguer, and will have a more successful career than Reyes. He isn't going to hit 40 home runs (which means next to nothing) but he will be able to contribute on both sides of the ball. ive got news for you Ryan, Trammell has about as much of a chance as a Top 30 prospect of making it the majors as Anderson Espinoza. How is it we respect baseball ratings of players yet we often can call basketball and football projections over-rated? Laughable comparison. Espinoza never made it out of A ball and has two Tommy John's in his rearview. And because the sports are completely different and the rankings are compiled in wildly different methods. There is no minor leagues for college football or college basketball. Just a completely different animal. Literally all Trammell has to do to be more valuable as an asset is to be a positive WAR player. By the way, since the trade, Franmil has played exactly once in a non DH role.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 11:21:02 GMT -8
We know why you think Reyes needed to be traded. Well covered.
I am curious what makes you think Trammel will be in the show in 2020?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 11:42:42 GMT -8
We know why you think Reyes needed to be traded. Well covered. I am curious what makes you think Trammel will be in the show in 2020? Because he has to be added to the 40 man roster by the end of 2020, the Padres are going to try and cut bait with Myers in the offseason and a left field vacancy will open up as a result. Repeating AA at 22 isn't a big deal, he will still be younger than a potential league MVP in Edward Olivares, for example. And it might be "well covered" but some people refuse to see reality.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 26, 2019 12:22:33 GMT -8
We know why you think Reyes needed to be traded. Well covered. I am curious what makes you think Trammel will be in the show in 2020? Because he has to be added to the 40 man roster by the end of 2020, the Padres are going to try and cut bait with Myers in the offseason and a left field vacancy will open up as a result. Repeating AA at 22 isn't a big deal, he will still be younger than a potential league MVP in Edward Olivares, for example. And it might be "well covered" but some people refuse to see reality. The only reality I see in Trammell currently is what he is doing in Amarillo, and what he has done all season after April. Not much.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 26, 2019 12:25:40 GMT -8
Since Franmil has been removed from the lineup, Renfroe has been slumping, Machado is in one of the worst of his career and Myers hasn’t been able to turn it around. The only player who has thrived without Franmil around is Mejia. Hosmer, Margot have been so so while Urias (who probably misses his buddy) and Hedges have been colder than a Manitoba March. Even the pitching has gone south, Paddock looks like he is serving up batting practice. Quantrill is one of the few bright spots. The team has played uninspired, sloppy baseball and is 9 games below .500 since the AS break. Early on I would have to say Preller whiffed on the trade, which has sapped the spirit from this squad and Andy Green is obviously not savvy or competent enough to right the ship. Massive reaches all over the place here. Renfroe has been slumping since June, far before Franmil was traded. The reality is he isn't slumping, he is just regressing back to his norms with his continual pitch recognition issues. Wil Myers has been terrible for 2 1/2 years, so that has nothing to do with Franmil's situation at all. Urias is fine. Margot has been rock solid for 3 months and is posting career high walk rates and stolen base efficiency. Just.....wow. Wrong. The instant Franmil left the clubhouse the Padres bats have gone into hibernation and the team has slumped into non relevance. Renfroe had 29 HRs befor the break, 2 since. Machado was red hot going into the break hitting .280, he has been ice cold since, his avg has dropped 15-20 pts with just 2 HR’s. Nobody is hitting with the one exception of Mejia. The team has played poorly and that is a fact.
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Post by survalli on Aug 26, 2019 12:36:23 GMT -8
We know why you think Reyes needed to be traded. Well covered. I am curious what makes you think Trammel will be in the show in 2020? Because he has to be added to the 40 man roster by the end of 2020, the Padres are going to try and cut bait with Myers in the offseason and a left field vacancy will open up as a result. Repeating AA at 22 isn't a big deal, he will still be younger than a potential league MVP in Edward Olivares, for example. And it might be "well covered" but some people refuse to see reality. In Vince Faison's case, regression at Age 22 in his second year in AA. www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=faison001vin I will be curious to see if Trammell improves or regresses further. I've compared them before, their career trajectory looks eerily similar. The flipside is that Vince had a better first year in AA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 13:24:28 GMT -8
You are pretty wishy-washy. First you make it sound like you don't like the trade. Then, you make it sound kind of like you are defending it. I have been around the game of baseball long enough to know all this analytical crap is ruining the game. And if you or anyone else is trying to convince me that a player with Franmil's size can't be successful at the MLB level, I have to call BS!! In the American League? Maybe. In the NL? No. He's a DH. Does the NL have the DH? Arron Judge does plays in the Al but plays right field at 6-foot-7 and 280+lbs. Giancarlo Stanton at 6-foot-6 250lbs currently plays outfield in the AL but spent most of his current active career in the NL. Mike Trout does play in AL but plays center field. It's been noted that Trout at times has played at 6-foot-2 and around 240 pounds. Miguel Cabrera has played both in NL and AL. He was slim with the Marlins but is still a position player at 6-foot-4 and 240+lbs. 240lbs is being nice. Albert Pujols spent 11 season in the NL playing in the outfield and third base at 6-foot-3 235+pounds and is still playing. Tony Clark and former Aztec played first base in the AL and the NL at somewhere around 6-foot-7 and 250lbs. That includes the 2008 season for the Padres. Adam Dunn at 6-foot-6 285lbs played left field and first base and played in both the NL and AL. Stuck out a lot though. Ryan Howard played first base in the NL at 6-foot-4 250+lbs. Corey Hart wasn't the greatest player but had a good successful MLB career playing outfield and first base in the NL and AL at 6-foot-6 250+lbs. Carlos Lee played first base mostly in both the AL and NL at 6-foot-2 and 265-270lbs. Prince Fielder not as tall but a pretty big kid at 6-foot 270+ pounds. Prince plays first base in the AL but played in both the NL as well. Also, see his dad Cecil at 6-foot-3 270+lbs. Babe Ruth played before the DH at 6-foot-2. His playing weight was anywhere between 215-250+lbs depending on how much booze he drank and cigars he smoked. These are big potion players that had or are having success playing in both the AL and NL. The list is bigger if you want to dig deeper.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 15:08:45 GMT -8
Massive reaches all over the place here. Renfroe has been slumping since June, far before Franmil was traded. The reality is he isn't slumping, he is just regressing back to his norms with his continual pitch recognition issues. Wil Myers has been terrible for 2 1/2 years, so that has nothing to do with Franmil's situation at all. Urias is fine. Margot has been rock solid for 3 months and is posting career high walk rates and stolen base efficiency. Just.....wow. Wrong. The instant Franmil left the clubhouse the Padres bats have gone into hibernation and the team has slumped into non relevance. Renfroe had 29 HRs befor the break, 2 since. Machado was red hot going into the break hitting .280, he has been ice cold since, his avg has dropped 15-20 pts with just 2 HR’s. Nobody is hitting with the one exception of Mejia. The team has played poorly and that is a fact. And that has what to do with Franmil?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 15:12:42 GMT -8
In the American League? Maybe. In the NL? No. He's a DH. Does the NL have the DH? Arron Judge does plays in the Al but plays right field at 6-foot-7 and 280+lbs. Giancarlo Stanton at 6-foot-6 250lbs currently plays outfield in the AL but spent most of his current active career in the NL. Mike Trout does play in AL but plays center field. It's been noted that Trout at times has played at 6-foot-2 and around 240 pounds. Miguel Cabrera has played both in NL and AL. He was slim with the Marlins but is still a position player at 6-foot-4 and 240+lbs. 240lbs is being nice. Albert Pujols spent 11 season in the NL playing in the outfield and third base at 6-foot-3 235+pounds and is still playing. Tony Clark and former Aztec played first base in the AL and the NL at somewhere around 6-foot-7 and 250lbs. That includes the 2008 season for the Padres. Adam Dunn at 6-foot-6 285lbs played left field and first base and played in both the NL and AL. Stuck out a lot though. Ryan Howard played first base in the NL at 6-foot-4 250+lbs. Corey Hart wasn't the greatest player but had a good successful MLB career playing outfield and first base in the NL and AL at 6-foot-6 250+lbs. Carlos Lee played first base mostly in both the AL and NL at 6-foot-2 and 265-270lbs. Prince Fielder not as tall but a pretty big kid at 6-foot 270+ pounds. Prince plays first base in the AL but played in both the NL as well. Also, see his dad Cecil at 6-foot-3 270+lbs. Babe Ruth played before the DH at 6-foot-2. His playing weight was anywhere between 215-250+lbs depending on how much booze he drank and cigars he smoked. These are big potion players that had or are having success playing in both the AL and NL. The list is bigger if you want to dig deeper. Franmil is 6'5 and somewhere around 275 pounds. He's not Aaron Judge athletically. He isn't a first baseman, either. He's a corner outfielder in the NL, but he is a pure DH in the AL. That is just the reality of his body type.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 15:15:36 GMT -8
Because he has to be added to the 40 man roster by the end of 2020, the Padres are going to try and cut bait with Myers in the offseason and a left field vacancy will open up as a result. Repeating AA at 22 isn't a big deal, he will still be younger than a potential league MVP in Edward Olivares, for example. And it might be "well covered" but some people refuse to see reality. The only reality I see in Trammell currently is what he is doing in Amarillo, and what he has done all season after April. Not much. Fun fact - Development is a non linear process.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 15:22:42 GMT -8
Ryan and I agree on Franmil's redundancy and value in San Diego. Not sure I agree that Trammel "is" a big leaguer and will have a successful career. Who knows at this point, he is sucking major ass right now but it's way early in his career. Will be fun to look back in two seasons. I am also not certain hitting 40 HR means "next to nothing" but I do agree that if you dont also get on base and/or provide stout D or another secondary characteristic, you are less valuable. .280/.340/.440 .240/.295/.499. What player are you taking?
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Post by aardvark on Aug 26, 2019 16:17:11 GMT -8
The only reality I see in Trammell currently is what he is doing in Amarillo, and what he has done all season after April. Not much. Fun fact - Development is a non linear process. Another fun fact--.167 does not get you to the major leagues.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 26, 2019 16:17:43 GMT -8
Ryan and I agree on Franmil's redundancy and value in San Diego. Not sure I agree that Trammel "is" a big leaguer and will have a successful career. Who knows at this point, he is sucking major ass right now but it's way early in his career. Will be fun to look back in two seasons. I am also not certain hitting 40 HR means "next to nothing" but I do agree that if you dont also get on base and/or provide stout D or another secondary characteristic, you are less valuable. .280/.340/.440 .240/.295/.499. What player are you taking? AVG? OBP? SLG? OPS?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 18:47:33 GMT -8
Fun fact - Development is a non linear process. Another fun fact--.167 does not get you to the major leagues. Overreaction.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2019 18:49:28 GMT -8
.280/.340/.440 .240/.295/.499. What player are you taking? AVG? OBP? SLG? OPS? Yes? That's what the slash line represents. Player A is what Eric Hosmer has been for the majority of this season. Player B is essentially Franmil Reyes.
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