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Post by dunksalot on Apr 15, 2020 10:59:27 GMT -8
LOL. Give it up. We had more press this year than we have had in decades. It's very well known what Yanni did. We're not recruiting the same situation this year. We don't have an open starting spot. He needs to have some negative take or he won't have a take!!!!! That's off from reality. There's a reason we always struggle to get respect and some of our games weren't on TV. We played non-reputable opponents - and the only ones we did play (Iowa and Creighton who was mediocre, and we had Nathan at the time) were games during other higher-profile tournaments. Also the time zone.
Sure, some people caught us but for recruits and transfers the exposure was very minimal away from the West Coast. They have their own opponents to watch, school, travel and practice. Only beat writers and coaching/scouts have that time.
standiego is a realist with a lot of hoops wisdom and SDSU Hoops history. Trashing him for posing a question is beyond lame.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 15, 2020 15:14:50 GMT -8
He needs to have some negative take or he won't have a take!!!!! That's off from reality. There's a reason we always struggle to get respect and some of our games weren't on TV. We played non-reputable opponents - and the only ones we did play (Iowa and Creighton who was mediocre, and we had Nathan at the time) were games during other higher-profile tournaments. Also the time zone.
Sure, some people caught us but for recruits and transfers the exposure was very minimal away from the West Coast. They have their own opponents to watch, school, travel and practice. Only beat writers and coaching/scouts have that time.
standiego is a realist with a lot of hoops wisdom and SDSU Hoops history. Trashing him for posing a question is beyond lame.
LOL. Apparently you missed the 15-20+ articles from east coast websites like ESPN & Theathletic throughout the year. We were VERY WELL known nationally. To believe otherwise is pretty naive. And did you actually claim Creighton was "mediocre"? LOL! Wow.
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Post by standiego on Apr 15, 2020 16:30:28 GMT -8
Yes there were numerous articles about the undefeated Aztecs .
But as I started to say was that the Aztecs had a great season . The Coaches did a great job of analyzing Yanni's talents and recruited him as grad transfer to come to SDSU . He really improved his game - He went from part time player to a player that started every game and made major contributions so we had a great season . Averaged in double figures .
Ask numerous people around here and they will say he was a great transfer for the Aztecs . I asked my son's former room mate at SDSU who moved back to the Midwest and still follows the Aztecs - what he thought about Yanni - he said he had not heard that much about him . Yes he follows ESPN .... Games are on later back there and MW is not always a conference many people pay that much attention to . He does look for the games and scores but you really have to be focused in to get the closer details . Things were going great for the Aztecs as undefeated team but losing to UNLV hurt interest as did losing on National TV in the MW T
I had commented that going to MM - which I see a very big focus point for fans all over the country with games being shown Nation Wide would have drawn a lot of additional fans and possible recruits - watching the Aztecs . Do think as we kept winning games - there would have been some great stories about not only the Aztecs but also players like Malachi , and Yanni - how SDSU has been able to really develop transfers - both regular and GRAD Transfers . Yanni's development was not something a lot of people had expected - a compliment to Yanni and the Aztec Coaches
MM is a great opportunity to get exposure that Non P6 conferences and players get . Unfortunately we did not get that chance this year with a great team , players and coaches.I feel that is one of the best places to show those accomplishments -
IMO Yanni and the other transfers stories would have gotten some well deserved air time . I feel that those stories could have provided additional assistance for the Aztec coaches who have been trying to get a quality Grad transfer to play the 5 position - We did get a Grad transfer PG - who had played an OOC game here and had people he knew contact him to help recruit him. MW and other Non P6 conferences do not get as much attention in other parts of the country - Yes the Zags have gotten a lot of press but most other non P6 schools do NOT get that much attention . MM does draw recruits who watch the games and may have helped us in recruiting .
Dutcher worked hard to have the team ready to play in MM and one of the rewards is exposure to players who may not have followed us before and does help when recruiting time comes . Especially this year with the Virus and a lot of communicating has been long distance . Transfers did not get a chance to visit schools so seeing us win on National TV especially MM would have helped - sure couldn't hurt -
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Post by dunksalot on Apr 15, 2020 17:03:09 GMT -8
That's off from reality. There's a reason we always struggle to get respect and some of our games weren't on TV. We played non-reputable opponents - and the only ones we did play (Iowa and Creighton who was mediocre, and we had Nathan at the time) were games during other higher-profile tournaments. Also the time zone.
Sure, some people caught us but for recruits and transfers the exposure was very minimal away from the West Coast. They have their own opponents to watch, school, travel and practice. Only beat writers and coaching/scouts have that time.
standiego is a realist with a lot of hoops wisdom and SDSU Hoops history. Trashing him for posing a question is beyond lame.
LOL. Apparently you missed the 15-20+ articles from east coast websites like ESPN & Theathletic throughout the year. We were VERY WELL known nationally. To believe otherwise is pretty naive. And did you actually claim Creighton was "mediocre"? LOL! Wow. Creighton AND San Diego State were both mediocre...at the time. Both unranked with no pre-season All-Americans. Oh, you thought the rest of the country thought we were great teams at that time? "LOL! Wow."
Recruits don't read like you or I unless they're based close to here. East of the Colorado River doesn't know much about Malachi. East of the Mississippi gets worse.
LITMUS TEST: How many games did you watch Obi Toppin this season? He was player of the year. How about his PG who just entered the draft? Do you know his name? You probably don't...now think about Yanni who isn't considered as draftable no matter how much we'd all love to see him become the next Dirk Nowitzki.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 15, 2020 20:13:52 GMT -8
As we look back after the season, it really worked out in our favor that we ended up with Yanni and missed out on McDaniels. Yanni was what we needed not only this past year but just about every season. A big who can pass out of a double team and score in the post when no one doubles. That’s the weakness for next year but Nathan has shown lots of improvement in the post.
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Post by Gundo on Apr 15, 2020 21:44:45 GMT -8
Interesting perspective.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 15, 2020 22:08:08 GMT -8
LOL. Apparently you missed the 15-20+ articles from east coast websites like ESPN & Theathletic throughout the year. We were VERY WELL known nationally. To believe otherwise is pretty naive. And did you actually claim Creighton was "mediocre"? LOL! Wow. Creighton AND San Diego State were both mediocre...at the time. Both unranked with no pre-season All-Americans. Oh, you thought the rest of the country thought we were great teams at that time? "LOL! Wow."
Recruits don't read like you or I unless they're based close to here. East of the Colorado River doesn't know much about Malachi. East of the Mississippi gets worse.
LITMUS TEST: How many games did you watch Obi Toppin this season? He was player of the year. How about his PG who just entered the draft? Do you know his name? You probably don't...now think about Yanni who isn't considered as draftable no matter how much we'd all love to see him become the next Dirk Nowitzki.
Creighton was a preseason tournament team. Lunardi had them as a 6 seed before the season started. Anyone with half a clue about basketball knew they were damn good before they ever took the court, and definitely by Thanksgiving. Every team in that tournament had realistic NCAA expectations, at least among those who understand the game. I watched at least 6 Dayton games with Toppin and Croucher, and saw 100s of highlights on ESPN, and read several articles about them as well. Just as I, and many across the country did with SDSU. Hint - national articles get read nationally. If you don't think recruits are informed or follow the game more closely than you or me then you have never talked to one, or simply are completely in the dark. They know more about the college game than you give them credit.
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Post by dunksalot on Apr 16, 2020 7:48:20 GMT -8
As we look back after the season, it really worked out in our favor that we ended up with Yanni and missed out on McDaniels. Yanni was what we needed not only this past year but just about every season. A big who can pass out of a double team and score in the post when no one doubles. That’s the weakness for next year but Nathan has shown lots of improvement in the post. Good point...and Wetzel was hitting the three. I was bummed at the time we didn't get Jaden and Wetzel's stats at crappy Vanderbilt felt like "Josh Johnson 2.0"...so I would tell myself, "Well Nathan will be a force this season." We had Flynn, Feagin, and Pulliam as newbies - and while I was confident Flynn was really good I had no idea Feagin was a lockdown defender and a complete package.
Don't forget...Mitchell was thinking about transferring out (according to this forum.)
Yeah...what a magical season. The Kawhi and Xavier teams were amazing but this season was above those. Feeling grateful. Good luck Yanni!
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Post by azteccc on Apr 16, 2020 8:49:46 GMT -8
Creighton AND San Diego State were both mediocre...at the time. Both unranked with no pre-season All-Americans. Oh, you thought the rest of the country thought we were great teams at that time? "LOL! Wow." Recruits don't read like you or I unless they're based close to here. East of the Colorado River doesn't know much about Malachi. East of the Mississippi gets worse.
LITMUS TEST: How many games did you watch Obi Toppin this season? He was player of the year. How about his PG who just entered the draft? Do you know his name? You probably don't...now think about Yanni who isn't considered as draftable no matter how much we'd all love to see him become the next Dirk Nowitzki.
Creighton was a preseason tournament team. Lunardi had them as a 6 seed before the season started. Anyone with half a clue about basketball knew they were damn good before they ever took the court, and definitely by Thanksgiving. Every team in that tournament had realistic NCAA expectations, at least among those who understand the game. I watched at least 6 Dayton games with Toppin and Croucher, and saw 100s of highlights on ESPN, and read several articles about them as well. Just as I, and many across the country did with SDSU. Hint - nation articles get read nationally. If you don't think recruits are informed or follow the game more closely than you then you have never talked to one, or simply are completely in the dark. The know more about the college game than you give them credit. Using Lunardi's bracketology, Creighton was projected as a 10 seed on 11/04, the night before the season started and roughly 6 spots above the bubble. On 11/22, before the Thanksgiving tournaments, they were not projected to make the tournament, nor were they within 8 spots of the last at-large on the S-curve. On 12/02, after the Thanksgiving tournaments, they were projected as one of the last 4 teams in, an 11 seed playing the opening round. On 12/09, they were not projected to make the tournament. They re-entered as an 11 seed on 12/23 and climbed roughly one line per week until the end of February, as they overperformed expectations in Big East play.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 16, 2020 9:20:48 GMT -8
Creighton was a preseason tournament team. Lunardi had them as a 6 seed before the season started. Anyone with half a clue about basketball knew they were damn good before they ever took the court, and definitely by Thanksgiving. Every team in that tournament had realistic NCAA expectations, at least among those who understand the game. I watched at least 6 Dayton games with Toppin and Croucher, and saw 100s of highlights on ESPN, and read several articles about them as well. Just as I, and many across the country did with SDSU. Hint - nation articles get read nationally. If you don't think recruits are informed or follow the game more closely than you then you have never talked to one, or simply are completely in the dark. The know more about the college game than you give them credit. Using Lunardi's bracketology, Creighton was projected as a 10 seed on 11/04, the night before the season started and roughly 6 spots above the bubble. On 11/22, before the Thanksgiving tournaments, they were not projected to make the tournament, nor were they within 8 spots of the last at-large on the S-curve. On 12/02, after the Thanksgiving tournaments, they were projected as one of the last 4 teams in, an 11 seed playing the opening round. On 12/09, they were not projected to make the tournament. They re-entered as an 11 seed on 12/23 and climbed roughly one line per week until the end of February, as they overperformed expectations in Big East play. Don't know why he slid them down, but they were a 6 seed in October, and very highly regarded. Top 3-4 team in the Big East, which was expected to be extremely strong. Kenpom had them as the #36 team in the country from Day 1. Creighton's good EVERY year. Again, most people who follow basketball get that. Everyone had them as a tourney team heading into the season. Most who follow the game knew every single team scheduled for that Thanksgiving tournament had realistic expectations of being a NCAA tourney team, led by T Tech. As it turned out, they greatly underestimated just how good that tournament was, but none of the teams were "mediocre". Ever. Creighton started a 6-8 seed in most projections; ended a 2-3 seed, but it was well known they were an excellent team. And just think, back in August Creighton wasn't even supposed to be our opponent, Texas Tech was. Had that happened, I'm sure people would be bitching that "yea, but T Tech ended up not being as good as Creighton so our schedule was 'mediocre'". Someone always has to bitch & whine. This team got a TON of press this year, and was VERY WELL KNOWN nationally. But hey, even if ESPN gave us our own weekly show I'm guessing some here would bitch & whine & claim nobody in the east is watching or cares.
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