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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 6, 2019 11:52:25 GMT -8
I agree wholeheartedly with this. The few who are complaining about this hire forget the mess that Hoke inherited the first time around. I am very happy about this hire. Finally, some good news coming out of the football program! I think we only won 3 games his first year, but it was so obvious how more organized we looked on the field and were so much better with the eye test. Then the next year obviously we won 9 and had a great year. Stoked that he is back with SDSU. He's a very likeable, charismatic guy too. I used to really enjoy him speaking at the luncheons and having him promote our program No, we were 4-8. As I recall, we had a chance to become bowl eligible but lost the last four games. I further recall that Hoke was very, very unhappy with that outcome. In other words, he was saying, if effect, "There's no damned way this is going to happen next year!" His attitude was completely positive. (Can't understand how things went so wrong for him in Ann Arbor.) AzWm
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 6, 2019 11:57:03 GMT -8
Why? What is it you think he did? The article you link to says that despite all their investigation "the book does not provide a smoking gun on Briles’ culpability". It's most damning statement is "he clearly attempts to keep potential disciplinary problems in-house before they became public." That exact statement could be made of Rocky Long's treatment of whatever Noble Hall did at the end of the season. We don't know the details because it wasn't made public. That disciplinary problem was kept in-house. I'm not defending Art Briles because I'm genuinely not in the know, but I distrust outrage mobs. What is it that you think Art Brilles did?
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 6, 2019 11:59:52 GMT -8
Can't understand how things went so wrong for him in Ann Arbor. AzWm He didn't have Rocky running his Defense. ;-)
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Post by Old School on Feb 6, 2019 12:21:35 GMT -8
I think Brady will be gone before Rocky retires, which would mean he was once again successful here. I used to always thank him after games for bringing back some toughness to this program. Thank you Coach Hoke. I do not understand. Are you saying that Hoke might be so successful as a position coach under Long that he would be hired by a P5 school? AzWm Hoke parlaying another successful run with SDSU to pick up another P5 job? He'll be going in circles. I'm sure Rocky won't stop him but it's tough to turn down a cushy job in a cushy location (San Diego, no Arctic Vortex fears). Also, didn't Rocky divert a raise to his salary to his assistant coaches in the past? If so, that "price of living adjustment" to Hoke's salary could've sweetened the deal even more. /shrugs Oldie Out
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Post by aztecfred on Feb 6, 2019 12:39:38 GMT -8
Now all we need to do is hire an OC coach and we are back in business. Does Rocky Long's rolodex have Art Briles phone number?? Just got shut out at So. Miss. Did his 3 years of penalty but, may have to restart at D 2 to coach college FB
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Post by sdsustoner on Feb 6, 2019 12:44:52 GMT -8
Hoke's 2nd season saw a 10 win, bowl win season with a senior class that won just 2 games as sophomores.
I remember an article around this time about the transformation about the program. One player was saying it started with the UCLA loss the year prior when Hoke asked his dejected players after the loss, "what's next?" That player mentioned, this is the part when we usually quit. That's when they made the conscious decision not to quit as a team.
This is why I love bringing him back at what he does best...coaching the DL.
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Post by hoobs on Feb 6, 2019 13:28:05 GMT -8
Why? What is it you think he did? The article you link to says that despite all their investigation "the book does not provide a smoking gun on Briles’ culpability". It's most damning statement is "he clearly attempts to keep potential disciplinary problems in-house before they became public." That exact statement could be made of Rocky Long's treatment of whatever Noble Hall did at the end of the season. We don't know the details because it wasn't made public. That disciplinary problem was kept in-house. I'm not defending Art Briles because I'm genuinely not in the know, but I distrust outrage mobs. What is it that you think Art Brilles did? By all reasonable indications, he fostered a culture where credible rape accusations against players were swept under the rug and those players shielded from investigation. If Rocky Long shielded players from investigations of credible accusations of sexual assault... then I'd also want his a$$ kicked all the way back to New Mexico. Something like smoking pot or missing too many classes, yeah... I'm okay with that being dealt with in-house.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 6, 2019 13:44:24 GMT -8
Hoke's salary since leaving SDSU -
Michigan 2011 - $2.00M - $2.0M (Base) 2012 - $2.10M - $2.1M (Base) 2013 - $4.75M $2.2M (Base) + 1.5M (Stay Bonus) + 1.05M (Deferred Comp) 2014 - $2.30M
2011-2014 Comp $11.15M Buyout $3.0M (Paid Over 24 months)
2015 - No work
Oregon 2016 - $400K base Buyout $1.4M paid over 24 months (Reduced by some of the pay by Tenn)
Tennessee 2017 - $500K base Buyout ($500K paid over 12 months)
Carolina Panthers 2018 - Unreported (figure $250K conservatively)
2011-2018 Compensation $16.2M - $17.45M
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Feb 6, 2019 13:46:39 GMT -8
There isn't a chance in the world that Rocky would hire Briles. Not even if Briles would work without pay.
I would also be gobsmacked to hear that the higher-ups had condoned Briles working at SDSU.
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Post by laaztec on Feb 6, 2019 13:55:30 GMT -8
Hoke's salary since leaving SDSU - Michigan 2011 - $2.00M - $2.0M (Base) 2012 - $2.10M - $2.1M (Base) 2013 - $4.75M $2.2M (Base) + 1.5M (Stay Bonus) + 1.05M (Deferred Comp) 2014 - $2.30M 2011-2014 Comp $11.15M Buyout $3.0M (Paid Over 24 months) 2015 - No work Oregon 2016 - $400K base Buyout $1.4M paid over 24 months (Reduced by some of the pay by Tenn) Tennessee 2017 - $500K base Buyout ($500K paid over 12 months) Carolina Panthers 2018 - Unreported (figure $250K conservatively) 2011-2018 Compensation $16.2M - $17.45M Not bad for a .500 coach.
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Post by hoobs on Feb 6, 2019 14:06:09 GMT -8
With that '11-'18 compensation, he'll be able to afford a nice house in OB near Rocky...
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 6, 2019 14:09:30 GMT -8
He didn't make more than just his base in his 1st year or 2 with Michigan? I thought he brought them to a BCSbowl his first year (and won, I think against V Tech) and won like 10 games and beat Ohio State
I'd bet his earnings numbers are even higher than that
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Post by oldie on Feb 6, 2019 16:52:19 GMT -8
glad to see him back. but will he become hciw? now, find an O co-ordinator who can coach a 21st century offense.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 6, 2019 18:26:12 GMT -8
He didn't make more than just his base in his 1st year or 2 with Michigan? I thought he brought them to a BCSbowl his first year (and won, I think against V Tech) and won like 10 games and beat Ohio State
I'd bet his earnings numbers are even higher than that He got $125K, $80K, $85K respectively for 2011,2012, and 2013. The money was playing in the conference championship game, which he never accomplished.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Feb 7, 2019 12:41:12 GMT -8
Unless I'm mistaken, TCU, Utah and BYU were all still in the conference when he coached the Aztecs. Conversely, San Jose State was not.
Also unless I'm mistaken, the SDSU team Hoke inherited won six less games than the one Rocky Long inherited.
In so stating my intention is not to demean Rocky in any way, shape or form. However, in my book, Hoke did a great job as our head coach.
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Post by aztech on Feb 7, 2019 13:11:50 GMT -8
I wonder if Hoke will have any input about staff changes. Did Rocky bring him in as just his DL coach, or more? When Hoke was here he put together a good staff without the big money. Collectively they did fine at our level, but those who followed him to Michigan couldn't handle the pressure at that level.
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Post by ron on Feb 7, 2019 18:47:35 GMT -8
I wouldn't be shocked if, in a year or two, Rock hands off the HC job and stays as DC. He's said multiple times that he had way more fun as a coordinator than he does as HC. If he gets tired of that grind, but still wants to coach, then it would make sense. He's worked for Brady before and seemed comfortable with it.
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Post by sandiegopete on Feb 7, 2019 19:21:01 GMT -8
This seems to me to be a pretty odd situation. Here is a guy that left the team after just 2 years and lots of people were not happy. However, isn't he a Michigan man and wasn't the departure for the Michigan job something that always was in the background?
He brought in Rocky. Now Rocky has brought back Brady. Together they turned the football program around. Whether this is just a cup of coffee stop for Brady or whether he intends to stay is a question that will be answered in the future. Whatever happens I believe the Aztecs will be much better off with him on the staff and I hope he is here for a long time.
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Post by aztecbrothers on Feb 7, 2019 19:36:53 GMT -8
Historians will recall the return of Claude Gilbert helped to extend the tenure of Ted Tollner. Not saying history could repeat itself, but assuming this latest comes to pass, as always, Aztec football supporters shall see. Your surprising positive attitude is confusing me. Did you drink a Pepsi, or some other carbonated sugar drink?
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Post by survalli on Feb 7, 2019 22:21:43 GMT -8
takes a real man to comeback after he left the way he did. he knows what was said about him. as far as I am concerned he is an Aztec 4 Life
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