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Post by aardvark on Aug 13, 2018 22:26:06 GMT -8
Pretty sure Villanueva has played first before at least once - Myers at 3rd is an experiment, nothing more. It would be a mistake, honestly. It's fun, but his injuries are a major concern. Yeah, Villanueva has played 1st before--counting tonight, he has played 1st base 83 times. In 10 seasons. Myers has a much better future at 3rd than Villanueva has at 1st.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 14, 2018 7:23:01 GMT -8
Pretty sure Villanueva has played first before at least once - Myers at 3rd is an experiment, nothing more. It would be a mistake, honestly. It's fun, but his injuries are a major concern. Yeah, Villanueva has played 1st before--counting tonight, he has played 1st base 83 times. In 10 seasons. Myers has a much better future at 3rd than Villanueva has at 1st. Villanueva started the season very hot but has not done much since May. Has the League discovered his weakness?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 14, 2018 7:54:19 GMT -8
No - He's the classic outperforming his peripherals player. He's 26. He's always had power, especially against lefties. Unfortunately, he has very little plate discipline, is mediocre at third base and is essentially a one tool replacement level player.
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Post by azteca on Aug 14, 2018 13:36:50 GMT -8
Not sure how many of you watched the game against the Angels last night but the screwup in right center between Margot and Renfroe can’t happen. Margot plays a very good center but he has to call Renfroe off on that play. Take charge out there.That cost the Padres any chance for a win. Doubt Jankowki makes that mistake😡
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 14, 2018 20:14:26 GMT -8
Well, Jankowski took an awful route on a ball that was played into a triple today, so you never know. Outfield play hasn't been strong this series defensively.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 14, 2018 20:37:36 GMT -8
I just don't understand your point. They are bad. Nobody is denying that. I like to take the view though that understands what their long-term process is. There are 3 teams that are on pace to lose 100+ games in the AL. There are 2 or 3 in the NL. I happen to believe that the Padres could bounce back before any of the others do. It's been shown that you can engineer quicker turnarounds (Like the team they played and beat this series) than most expect. The thing you seem to ignore is how much success in baseball comes down to starting pitching. The Padres starters have been piss poor most of the year which is evidenced in their record. The prospects you are pinning your hopes of greatness on are probably 2-3 years away (assuming they don’t blow their arms out or get traded away for a bag of baseballs) and even then it could be another 2 years of getting smacked around before they learn how to get major league hitters out. My point is, if there is any hope of winning in the next two years, money will need to be spent on at least 2 starters, a legit #1 and another pitcher who can go 125+ innings without his arm folding up like a dish rag. The alternative is waiting 4 years for Gore, Morejon, Paddock and the rest of them to somehow make it without being plagued by the usual maladies which typically befall Padre Pitching Prospects.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 14, 2018 21:08:46 GMT -8
I'm not ignoring anything. The Padres had zero plans on competing this season. The pitching, as a result, is going to be subpar because you're going to experiment with a lot of 4A types of players in a non-competitive season. Par for the course, exactly what a dozen other teams are doing right now. The prospects I'm pinning my hopes on? They will start to be here in 2019. Chris Paddack, Logan Allen, Nix is already here, etc. Your point about them being traded for a bag of baseballs doesn't apply to this ownership or front office group. You're stuck in the past with the cheap, penny-pinching images of the Moorad and Moores era. This is not that. There's a reason why they are looking at adding and not subtracting primary pieces. There is no need for a #1 pitcher, as fewer than a dozen truly exist in baseball. They DO need to sign a legitimate guy to stabilize the rotation and then probably trade for another from some excess farm value. This decreases the reliance on a host of prospects and adds some stability and veteran presence. Lamet will be back next season, as well. For how horrendous the pitching has been, the Padres aren't even remotely close to the bottom. In terms of runs allowed per game, they are ahead of Kansas City, Chicago (two rebuilding clubs in the exact same boat) Baltimore, Texas, Cincinnati, Miami, Toronto and Colorado. Again, you'll see a much different roster in 2019 as they move closer to their target.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 15, 2018 6:53:54 GMT -8
I'm not ignoring anything. The Padres had zero plans on competing this season. The pitching, as a result, is going to be subpar because you're going to experiment with a lot of 4A types of players in a non-competitive season. Par for the course, exactly what a dozen other teams are doing right now. The prospects I'm pinning my hopes on? They will start to be here in 2019. Chris Paddack, Logan Allen, Nix is already here, etc. Your point about them being traded for a bag of baseballs doesn't apply to this ownership or front office group. You're stuck in the past with the cheap, penny-pinching images of the Moorad and Moores era. This is not that. There's a reason why they are looking at adding and not subtracting primary pieces. There is no need for a #1 pitcher, as fewer than a dozen truly exist in baseball. They DO need to sign a legitimate guy to stabilize the rotation and then probably trade for another from some excess farm value. This decreases the reliance on a host of prospects and adds some stability and veteran presence. Lamet will be back next season, as well. For how horrendous the pitching has been, the Padres aren't even remotely close to the bottom. In terms of runs allowed per game, they are ahead of Kansas City, Chicago (two rebuilding clubs in the exact same boat) Baltimore, Texas, Cincinnati, Miami, Toronto and Colorado. Again, you'll see a much different roster in 2019 as they move closer to their target. It would be fun if Las Vegas did over/under wins for future seasons. I guess they feel able to establish numbers when fans like Aztecryan are all over things as he demonstrated above.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:44:20 GMT -8
I'm not ignoring anything. The Padres had zero plans on competing this season. The pitching, as a result, is going to be subpar because you're going to experiment with a lot of 4A types of players in a non-competitive season. Par for the course, exactly what a dozen other teams are doing right now. The prospects I'm pinning my hopes on? They will start to be here in 2019. Chris Paddack, Logan Allen, Nix is already here, etc. Your point about them being traded for a bag of baseballs doesn't apply to this ownership or front office group. You're stuck in the past with the cheap, penny-pinching images of the Moorad and Moores era. This is not that. There's a reason why they are looking at adding and not subtracting primary pieces. There is no need for a #1 pitcher, as fewer than a dozen truly exist in baseball. They DO need to sign a legitimate guy to stabilize the rotation and then probably trade for another from some excess farm value. This decreases the reliance on a host of prospects and adds some stability and veteran presence. Lamet will be back next season, as well. For how horrendous the pitching has been, the Padres aren't even remotely close to the bottom. In terms of runs allowed per game, they are ahead of Kansas City, Chicago (two rebuilding clubs in the exact same boat) Baltimore, Texas, Cincinnati, Miami, Toronto and Colorado. Again, you'll see a much different roster in 2019 as they move closer to their target. All your optimism is based on hope. I like what the current are owners doing. But the money they are spending is on prospects they HOPE will pan out. The Padres have been a $#!+ show for 50 years. Is it next year, 2020 or 2021 that the team will be competitive? If it's 2021, 9 years under this ownership is too long. Even though they seems to be doing the right thing, loyal Padre fans have had enough of the wait til next year BS. At least put a team together that can win 75-80 games during the rebuilding process for crying out loud. I'm thinking if the Padres lose a 100 games and are not good next year, things could get real ugly for this ownership group.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 15, 2018 8:59:57 GMT -8
Did the Cubs hope Kris Bryant would work out? Did the Astros hope that they would buck the industry consensus and draft Carlos Correa instead of Mark Appel? You build a team by being able to identify YOUR player, the one that fits your vision the best. This isn't hope. It's statistics. Out of the 60 or 70 guys they signed, a handful SHOULD pan out based on law of averages and proper development. The number 1 farm isn't built on hope, it's built on being able to evaluate players and their talent levels. Fernando Tatis Jr, Luis Urias, Francisco Mejia on the offensive side. Chris Paddack, Logan Allen, Mackenzie Gore, Luis Patino, Adrian Morejon, Michel Baez, Jacob Nix and a host of others on the pitching side. For all of the talk of the Padres being a $#!+ show for 50 years, they've made the playoffs twice in the past decade with far inferior talent. You can't have it both ways though. The Padres went for it in 2015. They signed Upton, Norris, Kemp. They had Craig Kimbrel. It takes time to undo all of that, to rebuild the farm depth, especially when it was a brand new GM hired post-draft in 2014. They need to be judged from 2016 and beyond. Why would you put together a mediocre/average team during a rebuild when you will cost yourself draft positioning and in theory, a chance to acquire higher talent? Pacifying the casual fan who doesn't understand how to construct a roster? Most fans I've interacted with understand the vision of Preller, the scouting department and the ownership. 2020 has always been the window since the rebuild started, on record from Seidler/Fowler and other FO people. Would you rather be the Padres right now or the Angels? LAA has the best player of this generation, plenty of talent to surround him with....and they've played in 3 playoff games in 8 years.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 15, 2018 10:33:25 GMT -8
Ryan, if we were to ask the Padres front office if they are going to try to win next I’m sure there would be a unanimous hell yes! If they are truly interested in making a run at relevance next year, they need to allocate at least $20 million (roughly what they spend for .250 hitting 1st basemen who can’t seem to field throws in the dirt) into getting some quality stop gap pitching until Gore, Morejon and company are ready. They at least owe that to the SD Padre fans who built them a pristine new stadium only to have a generation of sub .500 cellar dwelling.
And by the way, if you think Gorejon is going to be dominant from day one with the major league club, I would have to say that is overly optimistic. It will be 2-3 years of them getting lit up before either of them learn to get major league hitters out with any kind of regularity. So that’s a franchise built to win in ‘21-22 assuming their arms hold up.
Honestly, the newness of Petco is starting to wear off and the notoriously flaky San Diegans will start to lose interest if it isn’t happening already. One winning season in 10 years, not very appealing to the typical SD sports fan.
If next year the Padres rotation is Richards, Lucchissi, Lamet, Kennedy and Perdomo/Lauer/Erlin, that will be an indication this franchise should be relegated to triple A, if there was such a thing.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 15, 2018 11:27:47 GMT -8
Funny, because Fowler was quoted as saying as 81-81 would be optimistic this season. I'm sure they would LIKE to win, of course. Is it a reality? Probably not. With the money coming off the books this season, the Padres as of today are at a 43 million dollar payroll (Not including arbitration eligible players, obviously)....They can comfortably add at least one player, even at the Hosmer price point. This silly rhetoric that they owe the fans is a joke - They owe you nothing. They owe me nothing. It's time to move past that. Gorejon, I actually like that mashup. I'm not sure where I said I expected them to be dominant from day one, that's a stretch. But 2-3 years of them getting lit up? It's like rookie pitchers don't succeed anymore. You can't apply these blanket statements without paying regard to the pedigree of the prospect. You also didn't even touch on Nix, Paddack, Allen or anyone else. Convenient. The newness of Petco wearing off? Hm, well, the Padres still draw nearly 27,000 a game. They outdraw playoff teams regularly. The rotation next year will not look anything like what you typed up there. More likely it will go like this - FA pitcher (Corbin, Kuechel, Eovaldi, etc/Potential trade target/Lucchesi/Nix/Strahm/Lauer/Quantrill/Allen with Lamet in May or June. Plenty of competition for the 3-5 spots.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 12:38:33 GMT -8
Ryan, if we were to ask the Padres front office if they are going to try to win next I’m sure there would be a unanimous hell yes! If they are truly interested in making a run at relevance next year, they need to allocate at least $20 million (roughly what they spend for .250 hitting 1st basemen who can’t seem to field throws in the dirt) into getting some quality stop gap pitching until Gore, Morejon and company are ready. They at least owe that to the SD Padre fans who built them a pristine new stadium only to have a generation of sub .500 cellar dwelling. And by the way, if you think Gorejon is going to be dominant from day one with the major league club, I would have to say that is overly optimistic. It will be 2-3 years of them getting lit up before either of them learn to get major league hitters out with any kind of regularity. So that’s a franchise built to win in ‘21-22 assuming their arms hold up. Honestly, the newness of Petco is starting to wear off and the notoriously flaky San Diego will start to lose interest if it isn’t happening already. One winning season in 10 years, not very appealing to the typical SD sports fan. If next year the Padres rotation is sRichards, Lucchissi, Lamet, Kennedy and Perdomo/Lauer/Erlin, that will be an indication this franchise should be relegated to triple A, if there was such a thing. You must be a long time loyal Padre fan like myself. You also seem to be sick of this mediocrity as well. Just be patient and wait and wait and wait. And for the record Ryan's enthusiasm got him again. The Padres have only made the playoffs twice in the the last two decades. 05 and 06. But according to him, that sounds fantastic. 👎
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 15, 2018 13:27:23 GMT -8
Ryan, if we were to ask the Padres front office if they are going to try to win next I’m sure there would be a unanimous hell yes! If they are truly interested in making a run at relevance next year, they need to allocate at least $20 million (roughly what they spend for .250 hitting 1st basemen who can’t seem to field throws in the dirt) into getting some quality stop gap pitching until Gore, Morejon and company are ready. They at least owe that to the SD Padre fans who built them a pristine new stadium only to have a generation of sub .500 cellar dwelling. And by the way, if you think Gorejon is going to be dominant from day one with the major league club, I would have to say that is overly optimistic. It will be 2-3 years of them getting lit up before either of them learn to get major league hitters out with any kind of regularity. So that’s a franchise built to win in ‘21-22 assuming their arms hold up. Honestly, the newness of Petco is starting to wear off and the notoriously flaky San Diego will start to lose interest if it isn’t happening already. One winning season in 10 years, not very appealing to the typical SD sports fan. If next year the Padres rotation is sRichards, Lucchissi, Lamet, Kennedy and Perdomo/Lauer/Erlin, that will be an indication this franchise should be relegated to triple A, if there was such a thing. You must be a long time loyal Padre fan like myself. You also seem to be sick of this mediocrity as well. Just be patient and wait and wait and wait. And for the record Ryan's enthusiasm got him again. The Padres have only made the playoffs twice in the the last two decades. 05 and 06. But according to him, that sounds fantastic. 👎 Sometime within the next few years the Padres will draw 3 million fans.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 15, 2018 13:33:32 GMT -8
Ryan, if we were to ask the Padres front office if they are going to try to win next I’m sure there would be a unanimous hell yes! If they are truly interested in making a run at relevance next year, they need to allocate at least $20 million (roughly what they spend for .250 hitting 1st basemen who can’t seem to field throws in the dirt) into getting some quality stop gap pitching until Gore, Morejon and company are ready. They at least owe that to the SD Padre fans who built them a pristine new stadium only to have a generation of sub .500 cellar dwelling. And by the way, if you think Gorejon is going to be dominant from day one with the major league club, I would have to say that is overly optimistic. It will be 2-3 years of them getting lit up before either of them learn to get major league hitters out with any kind of regularity. So that’s a franchise built to win in ‘21-22 assuming their arms hold up. Honestly, the newness of Petco is starting to wear off and the notoriously flaky San Diego will start to lose interest if it isn’t happening already. One winning season in 10 years, not very appealing to the typical SD sports fan. If next year the Padres rotation is sRichards, Lucchissi, Lamet, Kennedy and Perdomo/Lauer/Erlin, that will be an indication this franchise should be relegated to triple A, if there was such a thing. You must be a long time loyal Padre fan like myself. You also seem to be sick of this mediocrity as well. Just be patient and wait and wait and wait. And for the record Ryan's enthusiasm got him again. The Padres have only made the playoffs twice in the the last two decades. 05 and 06. But according to him, that sounds fantastic. 👎 Never said anything remotely close to that, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative...I've been a Padre fan my entire life, and I was highly critical during the Moorad and Moores regimes for them doing nothing, or more accurately making very little effort to build a competitive ballclub. Again, this is not that. People who lack perspective should gain some by actually looking at the numbers. I wonder if 2015 had turned out differently if people would be more inclined to "trust the process." Then again, I don't let the results of a Padre season consume my life.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 15, 2018 18:10:36 GMT -8
You must be a long time loyal Padre fan like myself. You also seem to be sick of this mediocrity as well. Just be patient and wait and wait and wait. And for the record Ryan's enthusiasm got him again. The Padres have only made the playoffs twice in the the last two decades. 05 and 06. But according to him, that sounds fantastic. 👎 Sometime within the next few years the Padres will draw 3 million fans. That will not happen again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 18:15:16 GMT -8
You must be a long time loyal Padre fan like myself. You also seem to be sick of this mediocrity as well. Just be patient and wait and wait and wait. And for the record Ryan's enthusiasm got him again. The Padres have only made the playoffs twice in the the last two decades. 05 and 06. But according to him, that sounds fantastic. 👎 Never said anything remotely close to that, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative... Then again, I don't let the results of a Padre season consume my life. Really? This must have been a ghost writer. "For all of the talk of the Padres being a $#!+ show for 50 years, they've made the playoffs twice in the past decade with far inferior talent." Ahhh wrong!! Also, with all the research and posting you have been doing on the Padres, it seems to indeed be consuming you. I have been following this team since the mid 70's. Difference is I don't try to turn $#!+ into something it's not. This team sucks and has sucked for 50 years period. Sure hope you are right about the future though. My boarding pass is getting ready to expire.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 15, 2018 20:04:20 GMT -8
Sometime within the next few years the Padres will draw 3 million fans. That will not happen again. They would need to increase attendance at at 10,000 per game. With a good winning team that is Young and exciting that would be very easy.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 15, 2018 20:29:23 GMT -8
That will not happen again. They would need to increase attendance at at 10,000 per game. With a good winning team that is Young and exciting that would be very easy. Yes they would, but they will not. They may get close, but they will not reach 3 million again, regardless of how good the team becomes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:32:13 GMT -8
That will not happen again. They would need to increase attendance at at 10,000 per game. With a good winning team that is Young and exciting that would be very easy. Come on Bill!! If I am doing the math right, the Padres would have to average around 38K a game. I think you are forgetting a few of things about San Diego. One, it's the Padres. Two, it's San Diego. And three, there are Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Sundays in San Diego. Unless the Padres are giving some swag on those nights, good luck drawing 38k a game. Floppy hat or bobble head give away every night and you might have a chance. Good luck with that!!
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